Andrew:it's time to update the Roster..

by **hwwztt** on Tue Jan 06, 2004 2:04 pm

Thank U
Many Guys R Waiting 4 Ur's New Roster....

(Y)

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Tue Jan 06, 2004 2:26 pm

If you read the news page, you'll see that I did say a new roster was coming within a week.

I update the rosters in my spare time, and I'm back at work (today is my day off). I don't want to sound like an ogre or too thin-skinned, but I would appreciate it if you did not instruct me when to release a new roster. It does come off a little rude.

by **N8theGreat** on Sat Jan 10, 2004 8:19 am

seriously, if you want a roster that badly make it yourself.
dont demand him to do it, he is doing it for free.

by **Filip** on Sat Jan 10, 2004 10:52 pm

What the heck is wrong with some of you guys!?
I mean, he is releasing the new update when it's done!
If you want to have the new trades do it yourself, like I do.
Cut the guy some slack

by **LegoSHAQ** on Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:48 am

Andrew wrote:I'm back at work (today is my day off).

Pretty lame excuses... almost as lame as the reason you used as to why you block me on MSN...
Why pretend to run a site like this if you don't have the time? It is just pointless.. Why keep making promises and then just finding excuses... I think I will just submitt the wishlist for 2005 that nbalive.org has compiled on it's own.. by the time you get back back to me NBA Live 2005 will be out.. they are already well into production.. what is the point of sending in a wish list after the game is done? (as was done for 2004)... you seem to have the time to post useless posts all over the forum though? interesting...

by **Mazzocchi** on Sun Jan 11, 2004 9:27 am

i agree with andrew "Guys Shut Up!" (not exactally in thoes words lol)
He'll have the freakin roster out, when it come out, liek they said for the release date of the next Duke Nukem game "It'll Be Out When It's Done" it's not that hard to update the roster yourself ither, just go to NBA.com, and look at transactions since December 17, 2003. it's not that freakin hard, that's what I have done. So shut up and quit yer bitchin, It';ll be out when it's done

by **Repole** on Sun Jan 11, 2004 11:55 am

LegoSHAQ wrote:
Andrew wrote:I'm back at work (today is my day off).

Pretty lame excuses... almost as lame as the reason you used as to why you block me on MSN...
Why pretend to run a site like this if you don't have the time? It is just pointless.. Why keep making promises and then just finding excuses... I think I will just submitt the wishlist for 2005 that nbalive.org has compiled on it's own.. by the time you get back back to me NBA Live 2005 will be out.. they are already well into production.. what is the point of sending in a wish list after the game is done? (as was done for 2004)... you seem to have the time to post useless posts all over the forum though? interesting...

Who says he doesnt have time to run the site, whats that got to do with the roster?

by **LegoSHAQ** on Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:52 pm

Who says he doesnt have time to run the site

Andrew does.... all he ever says is "I do this in my spare time, I do that in my spare time" blah blah.. he keeps saying he doesn't have the time ...

whats that got to do with the roster?

Nothing... but I am sick of Andrew complaining he doesn't have time.. if he is going to do the "official" NLSC roster patch then just do it..

by **Stevan** on Sun Jan 11, 2004 2:52 pm

How about a reality check for everyone?

Hey David, I'm sure your definitive Nba Live source has a roster patch, as well as others out there, so what's the problem? In fact, Ben's rosters are supposed to be good right? Are you using them? I'm sure Beggz is going to release his roster patch when he's ready. It's a friggin roster patch for a game, which is free and a result of good will. He's not with-holding your paycheck.

by **BIG GREEN** on Sun Jan 11, 2004 3:41 pm

David you're starting to cross the line with your posts. I'd really like you to stop it...little flame comments directed towards this site and/or Andrew can only be tolerated so far.... :arrow:

. I'd recommend you keep your personal issues off this site and email andrew or something. The rest of us dont wanna see it. This is a moderation post..so i dont want anyone to reply to it as it will be deemed undermining.

by **LegoSHAQ** on Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:44 pm

Well I guess that is my first warning... and I will probably get another one for this post... but why should I keep silent? Am I not allowed to express my opinon? And why shouldn't I post it in public? I tried emailing Andrew and PM'ing him... and nothing happens.. I make a public post and all of a sudden the wishlist is done and submited... wow seems I have to post in public to get Andrew to respond.. Andrew is not willing to let others do anything like the wishlist or such but is not doing it himself unless "motivated"... interesting...

I'd recommend you keep your personal issues off this site

It has nothing to do with personal issues... rather issues of how this site is run.. but obviously I am not alowed to disagree with how it is run...

This is a moderation post..so i dont want anyone to reply to it as it will be deemed undermining.

well I am sorry if I am "undermining" you Yohance.. but I feel I have right of reply.. and others should feel free to post what they like too.. It is this exact type of "moderating" that has killed the NLSC and the fun place it used to be...

little flame comments directed towards this site and/or Andrew can only be tolerated so far....

It wasn't really a flame.. just that I felt Andrew's response to people asking about the roster was lame.. sorry but it is.. anyway... it seems that with a little "prompting" Andrew has managed to release the roster and submit the wishlist.. wow busy day... well done... (Y)

by **BIG GREEN** on Mon Jan 12, 2004 2:07 pm

While your posts are obviously respected here since you're a vet...the nlsc staff do feel you've crossed the line again. Your views could have been expressed better...andrew doesnt *HAVE* to respond to your emails and posts....and even if he doesnt..it doesn't give you the right to undermine him/flame him/flame the site. The NLSC staff wants you off the board...but i figure it doesnt really have to come to that. Just relax and dont come around acting like the rules which apply to the newbies dont apply to you as well...

by **LegoSHAQ** on Mon Jan 12, 2004 9:08 pm

The NLSC staff wants you off the board...

The NLSC staff? Andrew and yourself I take it.. well that is sad..

Just relax and dont come around acting like the rules which apply to the newbies dont apply to you as well...

I wouldn't expect that.. I know the rules apply to me... as they should apply to you and to Andrew and to anyone who posts.. isn't that what the rules are for? I know I broke the rules by "Throwing a discussion off-topic" and perhaps shown "Disrespect towards Forum Leaders." so I knew I would get a warning.. but if Andrew is going to be childish and ignore me then what else should I do? I am angry at Andrew sure... and because he is a "Forum Leader" it is considered disrespect ... well i am sorry but in my world Andrew ignoring me is disrespecting me.. so I don't see why I shouldn't do likewise..

andrew doesnt *HAVE* to respond to your emails and posts....

No he doesn't.. but isn't it kinda childish? I could say the same.. I could say I don't *HAVE* to obey the forum rules... where does that get us?
I think it is very sad.. all I was trying to do was work to benifit the NBA Live community... but Andrew is obviously not interested and would rather nbalive.org just go away... and that makes me sad.. sorry..

by **alexboom** on Mon Jan 12, 2004 10:31 pm

LegoSHAQ wrote:Andrew does.... all he ever says is "I do this in my spare time, I do that in my spare time" blah blah.. he keeps saying he doesn't have the time ...

Hey, I certainly don't know all the problem you have with Andrew, but I got to react towards this.
Andrew is very active here, and I also think that he do enough roster updates. Yes, he could update the roster even more often, but the way he acts is already good.
That's the same for the forum : he has more than 5000 posts, he is present everywhere. What more could we ask ?

Indeed, Andrew has to be congratulated for his work. Administrators for other videogame forums are not always so much present.

It's normal that some day he doesn't have the time. He has a job, like I have one, and some days you are too busy to do anything else. We are here just for leisure. The time he spends here, he doesn't spend it playing. He has the right to say sometimes "stop" and play Live 2004 or anything else instead of moderating the forum or updating the roster.

Ok, he ignores your mails and block you on msn. I don't know why and I would admit that is not good, but we certainly can't attack Andrew on his lack of implication or whatever.

by **LegoSHAQ** on Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:20 am

you misunderstand me... it is fine for Andrew to not have time for things.. that is what I am saying.. he doesn't have time for everything... yet he insists on doing everything... I think for fear of loosing contol of power? I dunno.. anyway.. my point was if he is going to insisit on doing everything himself then just do it and stop complaining about it.. or open up and let others do stuff for the community and stop being such a control freak.. sorry.. I am "disrespecting" Andrew again... but I am just trying to explain the situation.. take it as you will...

by **alexboom** on Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:10 am

ok it's clear now, but one last thing : where did you ever see Andrew complaining :?:

The way he answers to the requesting guy is correct and well deserved in my opinion

by **BIG GREEN** on Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:25 am

LegoSHAQ wrote:
The NLSC staff wants you off the board...

The NLSC staff? Andrew and yourself I take it.. well that is sad..

You obviously dont know anything about this site. Our staff features 4 people including Andrew, myself, EG and joe (another joe). Brien can also be considered part of the nlsc since he does stuff for this site and always has.

I asked andrew to not delete you..but i wont anymore. If/when he deletes you..it will be/is your own fault.

by **LegoSHAQ** on Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:27 am

ok it's clear now, but one last thing : where did you ever see Andrew complaining

I don't really want to have to point out all the examples.. but one example is:
http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~nbalive/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=11980
On the internet writing in ALL CAPS is considered shouting and it comes across as if Andrew is loosing his temper by people asking about the roster... and I am not the only person who thought so.. but this is just my opinion.. and I will probably pay for posting out in public about it.. but I just thought it was really stupid that Andrew tries to do everything himself and then gets angry at others when he can't deliever.. make you own decision.. there are a few other examples.. but does it really matter? I will soon be deleted and the NLSC will just go on the way it is.. thats fine.. but it could be so much better... it is a shame..

You obviously dont know anything about this site. Our staff features 4 people including Andrew, myself, EG and joe (another joe). Brien can also be considered part of the nlsc since he does stuff for this site and always has.

I was not aware of the "other joe" but I know EG is a moderator.. but I don't know why he would ask for me to be deleted? And I know Brien would definately not ask for me to be deleted... he for starters would not want to get involved.. and I have had many productive interations with him online and via email and he has never shown the slightest bit of animosity towards me... infact the only three people who have are yourself, Stevan and Andrew... and for no other reason I know of other than I am a member of staff at the nbalive.org site... very sad..

I asked andrew to not delete you..but i wont anymore. If/when he deletes you..it will be/is your own fault

sigh.. what-ever.. goodbye then..

by **alexboom** on Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:21 am

David, the example you pointed out is not good in my opinion. Andrew was very patient and correct. That's normal to write 3 words in capital letters when people are asking for the third time the same thing and don't seem to read your answers.
I sometimes face also people like that. I stay cool, but sometimes I wonder if they could make just the smallest effort to understand.

But ok, I've got also the feeling that Andrew tries to keep all the job, and why not ? Even if he doesn't have all the free time he wants, he does an excellent job. It's not because the roster was late 2 times that he should be criticized.

And Yohance, I don't know what David has done before, but he shouldn't be deleted just for that. A warning is quite enough in my opinion...

by **1CenT** on Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:49 pm

stop making a fool out of yourself LegoSHAQ.. i think it is clear that you made your point about saying Andrew's reason as a lame excuse. Whether it is an excuse or not, it doesn't really matter. Andrew releases his patch whenever he wants, i am sure he will understand and not get mad if you tell him you are anxiously waiting for his next release, instead of saying he is making up lame excuses. How do you know it is a lame excuse? Even if it is, so what?

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Tue Jan 13, 2004 4:45 pm

And with that, I draw an end to the matter.

Andrew:it's time to update the Roster..

Andrew:it's time to update the Roster..

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