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Sun Jul 25, 2004 6:15 pm

All of the latest suggestions have been noted, thanks guys. :)

Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:44 am

If you implement USA will you also implement the Australian Boomers?

Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:51 am

These are stats based on 2003-04 season per 48 mins.
CELTICS marcus banks 3.05 steals(1st) higher than ginobilli, iverson, artest, christie.
CAVS drew gooden 1.62 block. higher than divac, brad miller, kurt thomas, n.mohammed.
NUGGETS marcus camby 11.5 def reb. higher than shaq, dampier and ben wallace.
WARRIORS derek fisher 2.79 steals(6th) higher than doug christie, artest and iverson.
GRIZZLES pau gasol 4.0 off reb. higher than a.stoudemire and garnett.
SIXERS samuel dalembert 4.13. only camby, chris andersen, ratliff are higher.
SUNS leandro barbosa 2.89 steals(2nd) higher than ginobilli, iverson, artest, christie.
SPURS rasho nesterovic 3.37 block higher than shaq, yao ming, dampier, ostertag.
tim duncan 4.3 off reb. same as carlos boozer. higher than samuel dalembert.
manu ginobilli 2.89(3rd) steals. higher than doug christie, artest and iverson.

Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:18 am

shrwnt wrote:These are stats based on 2003-04 season per 48 mins.
CELTICS marcus banks 3.05 steals(1st) higher than ginobilli, iverson, artest, christie.
CAVS drew gooden 1.62 block. higher than divac, brad miller, kurt thomas, n.mohammed.
NUGGETS marcus camby 11.5 def reb. higher than shaq, dampier and ben wallace.
WARRIORS derek fisher 2.79 steals(6th) higher than doug christie, artest and iverson.
GRIZZLES pau gasol 4.0 off reb. higher than a.stoudemire and garnett.
SIXERS samuel dalembert 4.13. only camby, chris andersen, ratliff are higher.
SUNS leandro barbosa 2.89 steals(2nd) higher than ginobilli, iverson, artest, christie.
SPURS rasho nesterovic 3.37 block higher than shaq, yao ming, dampier, ostertag.
tim duncan 4.3 off reb. same as carlos boozer. higher than samuel dalembert.
manu ginobilli 2.89(3rd) steals. higher than doug christie, artest and iverson.

Ratings are based more on ability, not stats. If Andrew rated like that people would think he is crazy. Besides, injury and mpg play a factor too. AI only played like half the season.

Mon Jul 26, 2004 9:18 am

ok. i did not say that andrew based his ratings on stats only. but stats definitely count. the stats i posted are just for comparison to help. take this for example. in the default rosters, chris andersens block is above 90, i think it was 95. shaq o'neal only has 82. im talking about the default stats of the nba live 2004, i believe this is from the nba. how can this be possible if shaq definitely averages more blocks than andersen. this is because of per 48 mins chris andersen. same applies for adonal foyle and other shotblockers who dont play that much minutes but has very high rating. this is the reason why i posted the comparisons per 48 mins. its not to dictate the ratings. its just to help. :wink:

Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:46 am

KDWilliams85 wrote:
Blitz wrote:Dirk Nowitzki is a Center on the game, but plays more Power Forward than Center. Walker started Center most last year, but I have no clue what they will do this year.


If you think that Antoine Walker is a center you're sadly mistaken. Danny Fortson or Shawn Bradley played center. Walker played the 3 along with Jamison.


I'm not saying Walker is a bonafide Center, but he started more games at Center than Dirk Nowitzki did. Usually the Maverick's starting lineup was Walker/Nowitzki/Howard/Finley/Nash. I have no clue what it will be this year with Nash gone, and them having Pavel, Stackhouse, Daniels, and Harris. I think it might be similar to last years except with Daniels starting the one guard and MAYBE Stackhouse taking the three guard spot away from Howard. Stackhouse would probably be a top contender for the Sixth Man of the Year award if he came off the bench. I doubt Pavel will start this year, maybe on down the line however. It might be a close race for the one guard with Daniels and Harris fighting for it. I haven't seen Harris play much but he was the number five pick so he must be pretty good.

Anyways, I'm off my soapbox. :) .

Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:22 pm

the mavs started the season with fortson at center. when they were struggling, porbably in the second half of the season i think. don nelson tried to experiment with his small ball philosophy. the lineup was with dirk nowitzki starting at center but it featured antoine walker logging major minutes at center. it worked for only a few games. due to their lack of success last season, the mavs vowed to go big this summer. this is why they tried to trade for shaq, then dampier, and now for kurt thomas(don nelson's preference). unfortunately for them, they havent picked up a big man they want. podkolzine is nowhere near ready to contribute.
i think devin harris will start at pg. marquis daniels will backup both guard positions.ive seen devin harris play in the summer league. he has good court vision and looks impressive. i wonder how he'll handle the pressure when season starts. they are trying to land a veteran point guard now. the latest prospect is jeff mccinis of the cavs.

Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:07 pm

Adrian wrote:If you implement USA will you also implement the Australian Boomers?


Probably not, definitely not in v1.09.

Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:33 am

FanOfAll wrote:C: Woods/Ely/Drob
PF: Okafor/Hunter
SF: Kapono/Slay/Benjamin
SG: Wallace/Robinson/Benjamin
PG: House/Hart
IL: Sampson, Smith, Carter

Update on this Andrew, take out DRob and put in Brezec, just my two cents again.

Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:26 am

No problem. :)

Tue Jul 27, 2004 12:13 pm

how long til this is released andrew?

Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:05 pm

its great that you include us rosters to your 1.09...
here are some suggestions to ya great roster

decrease the rating for a raptors
increase the rating for iverson

thats it, thanx (Y)

Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:18 pm

Blitz wrote:
KDWilliams85 wrote:
Blitz wrote:Dirk Nowitzki is a Center on the game, but plays more Power Forward than Center. Walker started Center most last year, but I have no clue what they will do this year.


If you think that Antoine Walker is a center you're sadly mistaken. Danny Fortson or Shawn Bradley played center. Walker played the 3 along with Jamison.


I'm not saying Walker is a bonafide Center, but he started more games at Center than Dirk Nowitzki did. Usually the Maverick's starting lineup was Walker/Nowitzki/Howard/Finley/Nash. I have no clue what it will be this year with Nash gone, and them having Pavel, Stackhouse, Daniels, and Harris. I think it might be similar to last years except with Daniels starting the one guard and MAYBE Stackhouse taking the three guard spot away from Howard. Stackhouse would probably be a top contender for the Sixth Man of the Year award if he came off the bench. I doubt Pavel will start this year, maybe on down the line however. It might be a close race for the one guard with Daniels and Harris fighting for it. I haven't seen Harris play much but he was the number five pick so he must be pretty good.

Anyways, I'm off my soapbox. :) .


It was usually Nash, Finley, Walker, Dirk, or Bradley/Fortson. Nellie didn't want Dirk playing out of position.

Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:00 pm

ServeNVolley wrote:how long til this is released andrew?


Probably this coming weekend, most likely Sunday.

Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:53 pm

lakers, phoenix are overrated.

HAWKS josh childress should be sg/sf. he insist he's a sg.
CELTICS tony allen should be sg/pg.
al jefferson higher inside scoring.
PACERS jamal tinsley lower passing. his 94 is higher than steve nash's (better passer) 92.
HEAT shaq o'neal higher passing. he's too low at 39.
WOLVES sam cassell lower def.aware. 75 is way too high for him. he's a defensive liability.
NETS kerry kittles higher def.aware. he's a good defender.
HORNETS david wesley lower def.aware. 77 is too high.
MAVS calvin booth should be a c/pf.
LAKERS vlade divac lower overall. overatted in his age.
SUNS steve nash lower def.aware. he's as high as jon barry( good defender)
SPURS beno udrih higher rebound, passing. his overall should be higher than romain sato.
FREE AGENT karl malone higher strength. he should be in the mid to higher 80's.

Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:55 pm

shrwnt wrote:lakers, phoenix are overrated.

HAWKS josh childress should be sg/sf. he insist he's a sg.
CELTICS tony allen should be sg/pg.
al jefferson higher inside scoring.
PACERS jamal tinsley lower passing. his 94 is higher than steve nash's (better passer) 92.
HEAT shaq o'neal higher passing. he's too low at 39.
WOLVES sam cassell lower def.aware. 75 is way too high for him. he's a defensive liability.
NETS kerry kittles higher def.aware. he's a good defender.
HORNETS david wesley lower def.aware. 77 is too high.
MAVS calvin booth should be a c/pf.
LAKERS vlade divac lower overall. overatted in his age.
SUNS steve nash lower def.aware. he's as high as jon barry( good defender)
SPURS beno udrih higher rebound, passing. his overall should be higher than romain sato.
FREE AGENT karl malone higher strength. he should be in the mid to higher 80's.

I swear that looks familiar.

Nick the Quick took the #19 for his jersey in PDX :).

Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:22 pm

Andrew wrote:
ServeNVolley wrote:how long til this is released andrew?


Probably this coming weekend, most likely Sunday.



Are you adding Didier Ilunga-Mbenga (Mavs) and Nenad Krstic + Kyle Davis (Nets)??

Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:22 pm

In some cases I will have to leave players in the Free Agent pool because the game only allows a team to have 15 players (whereas the offseason in the real NBA doesn't have that restriction).

Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:23 am

KDWilliams85 wrote:
Blitz wrote:
KDWilliams85 wrote:
Blitz wrote:Dirk Nowitzki is a Center on the game, but plays more Power Forward than Center. Walker started Center most last year, but I have no clue what they will do this year.


If you think that Antoine Walker is a center you're sadly mistaken. Danny Fortson or Shawn Bradley played center. Walker played the 3 along with Jamison.


I'm not saying Walker is a bonafide Center, but he started more games at Center than Dirk Nowitzki did. Usually the Maverick's starting lineup was Walker/Nowitzki/Howard/Finley/Nash. I have no clue what it will be this year with Nash gone, and them having Pavel, Stackhouse, Daniels, and Harris. I think it might be similar to last years except with Daniels starting the one guard and MAYBE Stackhouse taking the three guard spot away from Howard. Stackhouse would probably be a top contender for the Sixth Man of the Year award if he came off the bench. I doubt Pavel will start this year, maybe on down the line however. It might be a close race for the one guard with Daniels and Harris fighting for it. I haven't seen Harris play much but he was the number five pick so he must be pretty good.

Anyways, I'm off my soapbox. :) .


It was usually Nash, Finley, Walker, Dirk, or Bradley/Fortson. Nellie didn't want Dirk playing out of position.


Anyways, the whole point of my post was to get Dirk away from the center spot. The Mavericks didn't have a bonafide center last year and tried alot of different people at center. Yeah, so hopefully Dirk will be a Power Forward in the next update. :cool: .

Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:25 am

Andrew, can you include cyberfaces for missing players i.e. Haslem, Gill, etc. and some rookies?

Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:24 am

Luke Walton:
Primary Position: SF
Secondary Position: PF
FG: 66
3PT: 64 (showed he can nail them in playoffs)
FT: 70
Dunk: 20
Inside Scoring: 42
Quick: 66
Speed: 64
Passing: 82
Dribbling: 68
OAware: 74
DReb: 39
DAware: 53
Stamina: 42
Overall: 53


I second this. The game treats Walton like a pure big man, making PF being his primary position and only giving him a power dribble. In reality, he's a SF who only played PF out of necessity because the Lakers had no other bigs. His 3pt rating (15) is ridiculously low, and his passing should be much higher than it is right now. I read somewhere that you could give players the ability to pro hop by adjusting their dunk ratings. If that's true, then please try to do it for Walton, because I've seen him pro hop more than power dribble in real games.

Other Suggestions:
-Chris Webber's FG, Inside Scoring, Stamina, Hardiness, Speed, Quickness, and Jumping all need to be decreased (at least until his overall rating is in the 70's). He's not the superstar that he was before his injury. Recently he was a lot slower, had trouble jumping, and shot a terrible percentage. Only time will tell if he can regain his old form.

-Amare is a quick, athletic dunker, not a good back to the basket player. He should be given the ability to pro hop, if possible.

-Rick Fox has been terrible since coming back from injury. Now he's deep on the bench and possibly retiring, rather than a solid role player. Stamina, Hardiness, and 3pt (his shot was horribly cold, leading to his benching) all need to be lowered.

-Grant Hill's overall rating is 69? That's way too high for a guy who has barely even played in the last several seasons.

-Trenton Hassell has recently made a name for himself as a defensive stopper. His Defensive Awareness should be raised to at least the high 70s (Rick Fox's rating) or possibly even 80, IMO.

-Bruce Bowen is a horrible offensive player, and his FG (75) and 3pt (85) ratings are way too high. He's not even one of the great 3pt shooters in the league, and his high percentage is due to him being a selective shooter rather than someone who can light you up from outside. During the recent Lakers/Spurs series, the Lakers chose to ignore him in order to crowd the middle against Parker and Duncan, and Bowen was unable to make them pay. His offense was so poor that the Spurs often benched him in favor of Devin Brown.

-Steve Francis is highly overrated. I know that he was getting used to a different offensive system under Van Gundy, but his poor FG% and career-low ppg last season must be taken into consideration. His passing is also highly overrated. Francis simply is not a good distributing PG. His passing should be lowered to around 68, the same as Iverson, who is a similar player.

-Steve Nash is a huge liability on defense. Adjust his Defensive Awareness rating to reflect this.

-Please take a look at all the bench players with shockingly low overall ratings in the 40's or 30's, like Jamal Sampson. I've seen some other rating edit sites which have said that these guys deserve a ratings boost.
Last edited by JimRaynor55 on Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:36 am, edited 1 time in total.

Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:35 am

Andrew, I was also wondering if you knew what the "Retired" team in the game's teams.dbf file is for. Is it a "team" to place retired players from Dynasty Mode? There's no way to access it, even though you're allowed to look through and edit "teams" like Legends Pool and Free Agents.

I found out how to edit the dbf files after reading some posts on this forum, but before I downloaded any of your patches. I was tired of seeing players who had retired for over a year, or had moved to the European leagues, appearing in Dynasty Mode (which I wanted to reflect real life as close as possible). Because of this, I edited the Team field for all the retired players in players.dbf to the number that corresponded to "Retired." After going into the game again, I was happy to see that these players no longer appeared as availible free agents. Is this a proper use of the Retired team? If so, I would like you to do this in your next patch. There's A LOT of retired and European league players still availible as regular free agents.

Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:26 am

Keith Bogans' 3pt rating is much to low cause he shot 35.9% last season, also primary position should be SG and secondary SF

Dirk Nowitzki's primary position is PF and secondary position C, the same goes for Danny Fortson. With Kelvin Cato and Calvin Booth it's just the other way round.

Recent transactions / signings (probably incomplete):
ORL and CLE swap Gooden / Hunter / Vajerao and Battie
SEA and DAL swap Booth and Fortson
Kittles from NJ to LAC (for a 2nd rounder)
Richardson to PHO (LAC doesn't match)
Peeler to WAS
M. Bradley to ORL
Gill to IND
Corey Benjamin to Charlotte
Vaughn / Buford to NJ
Okur / Boozer to UTA
GS and POR swap D. Davis / Dickau and Van Exel
CLE and PHI swap Snow and Ollie Brown
Divac to LAL

soon to come:
Augmon to ORL

Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:58 am

All Offseason Transactions

Also, 2nd round draft pick Marcus Douthit was just charged with identity theft and faces up to 30 years in prison. There's no way the Lakers are going to sign him now.

Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:57 pm

Thanks for the info and links, but I do keep up with the transactions. It wouldn't be much of a roster update if I didn't. ;)

JimRaynor55 wrote:Andrew, I was also wondering if you knew what the "Retired" team in the game's teams.dbf file is for. Is it a "team" to place retired players from Dynasty Mode? There's no way to access it, even though you're allowed to look through and edit "teams" like Legends Pool and Free Agents.

I found out how to edit the dbf files after reading some posts on this forum, but before I downloaded any of your patches. I was tired of seeing players who had retired for over a year, or had moved to the European leagues, appearing in Dynasty Mode (which I wanted to reflect real life as close as possible). Because of this, I edited the Team field for all the retired players in players.dbf to the number that corresponded to "Retired." After going into the game again, I was happy to see that these players no longer appeared as availible free agents. Is this a proper use of the Retired team? If so, I would like you to do this in your next patch. There's A LOT of retired and European league players still availible as regular free agents.


The "Retired" team is where players are moved to when they retire in Dynasty Mode. These players are then cleared from the database. A similar effect can be achieved if this is done in the default rosters then a new Dynasty game is started. I will certainly go through the free agent pool and clear away the retired players and free agents whom are unlikely to sign this season.
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