v1.10 released...

[FanOfAll]

Can someone explain to me how boston's ratings are figured out because it seems like they're overall rating continues to grow but it doesnt refelct in the game. I remember welsch had a 3pt sign and so did pierce. did they lose jones to LA? and i remember he had a 3pt sign as well.

I'm pretty sure Jones didn't have a 3 pt sign...the team ratings are based on the team and Boston's depth continues to grow so much that that team is incredibly deep at every position (if Payton plays) except rebounding big man...

- Nachbar and Padgett should flip-flop in the rotation (thus, why I made the changes last time)
- IMO, Booth > Bradley (again, the rating changes last time)
- If you're not going to up the stats of players like Foyle and Pietrus based on the late season outburst, then at least up the FG/3 pt (48 for Foyle, 66/64 for Pietrus) because they can shoot.
- Agree with Lattner's 56 rating coming down (although his 56 FG should go up).

[deadmaneternal419]

well lets take for example marcus banks is he really that terrible of a shooter? when i shoot with him the shot hits the top of the backboard. Does some1 have any numbers on him?and jones did have a 3pt sign on the default rosters

[SkipToMy_Lou]

Jumaine Jones had a 3pt icon with the default rosters.

[sventhedog]

lower def aware
CELTICS tom gugliotta - low-mid 50's. overrated.
ROCKETS tracy mcgrady - 80. he should rank same as kobe(80). he has a tendency to be lazy on defense.
BLAZERS damon stoudamire - mid 60's. overrated.
JAZZ kirk snyder - mid 60s. he cant be equally rated with kirilenko.
WIZARDS antawn jamison - low-mid 50's. overrated.

higher def aware
PISTONS - tayshaun prince - 80. he should rank at least same as kobe(80).

lower ins.scoring
PISTONS rasheed wallace - 89. he plays the perimeter more than jermain oneal(90), yao ming(90).
CELTICS raef lafrentz - 76. overrated bec. he plays the perimeter.

higher ins.scoring
SUNS amare stoudemire - 78. he should at least rank same with kwame brown(78).
HORNETS jamal magloire - 77. he should at least rank same with olowakandi(77).

lower dunking
SONICS ray allen - 82. he cant rank same with corey magette(84).

higher dunking
CAVS lebron james - 95. he should be higher than duncan(94).
SUNS amare stoudemire - 85 . he should be higher than abdur-rahim(83)
NETS richard jefferson - 85. he should be higher than abdur-rahim(83)

lower passing
WOLVES troy hudson - 82. he should be same as mike bibby(82).

higher passing
WOLVES sam cassell - 84. he should be same with snow(84).

LOWER STRENGTH - I STRONLY SUGGEST THE FF:
NUGGETS kenyon martin - high 60's. he cant be stronger than dale davis(77), yao ming(76), potapenko(73). he'd be better than jermaine o neal if he had that strength.
PACERS jermaine o neal - high 60's-low 70's. he cant be as strong as campbell(79) and stroner than francisco elson and yao ming(76). he'd be better than kevin garnett if he had that strength.
* i think their strength's should be close.

higher strength
FREE AGENT anthony mason - mid 90's. he's very strong.
CLIPPERS elton brand - 79-80. at 70, he's weaker than olowakandi(73),songaila(75).
SIXERS corliss williamson - mid 70's. he cant be as strong as al harrington(68) who relies on his quickness to beat other forwards.

[FanOfAll]

Jumaine Jones had a 3pt icon with the default rosters.

I was referring to the current rosters...

[deadmaneternal419]

If Lafrentz is lowered in ins. scoring will his permiter game be compensated at all? I agree with some of ur ideas but i think that Prince being ranked same as kobe would b over rating prince. I also think that defense ratings r fine with the exception of Mcgrady i think Mcgrady is lazy on D at times. Everything else could use some tweaking

[Andrew]

I didn't get online yesterday so I've only just seen this, but I've now noted all the latest suggestions.

[sventhedog]

If Lafrentz is lowered in ins. scoring will his permiter game be compensated at all? I agree with some of ur ideas but i think that Prince being ranked same as kobe would b over rating prince. I also think that defense ratings r fine with the exception of Mcgrady i think Mcgrady is lazy on D at times. Everything else could use some tweaking

i dont think that would be overrating prince bec hes a good defender and he did a great job on kobe. prince is the more defensive oriented player bec kobe has to carry the team with his offense leaving him with less energy to defend.

SPURS linton johnson III higher steal rating. he Ranks #18 in the NBA in steals Per 48 Minutes(2.42) last season better than jason kidd(2.39) and arenas(2.39). should be a sf/pf instead of sf/sf. he even played center at some time last season.

devin brown lower range to emphasize his mid range game. he doesnt shoot three's a lot.

beno udrih(49) should have higher overall than romain sato(50).

[deadmaneternal419]

Ok i c ur point with kobe

[FanOfAll]

Michael Doleac:
FG up to 67
Inside Scoring: Down to 47
DAware: Up to 60 (actually average defender)
Overall: 47

Heat Bench:
6 - Damon Jones 7 - Wright 8 - Allen 9 - Doleac 10 - Person 11 - Dooling 12 - Miralles (sp)

Dorell Wright:
Inside Scoring: Down to 43
DReb: Down to 48
Primacy: Up to 45
Overall: 63

Mark Jackson:
3 PT: Down to 3
FT: Up to 79
Jumping: Down to 70
OAware: Down to 68
Stamina: 42
Primacy: Down to 41
Overall: 57

Kedrick Brown (total crap):
3 Pt: Up to 48
Dunking: Up to 70
Passing: Down to 25
Dribbling: Down to 48
OAware: Down to 40
DReb: Down to 66
Steal: Down to 79
Blocking: Down to 22
DAware: Up to 71 (this and dunking, about the only two things he can do)
Stamina: Down to 40
Hardiness: 52
Primacy: 27
Overall: 56 (still too high, can't figure out where else to lower him though)

Andre Igoudala:
Blocking: Down to 17
Stamina: Down to 50
Primacy: Down to 42
Overall: 65

Aaron McKie:
FG: 74
3Pt: Down to 78 (yes, he does hit them at an amazing clip, but only 1 pg...also a very mediocre career 3 pt shooter with possibly the slowest release in the league)
FT: Down to 78 (career avg)
OAware: Up to 76
DReb: Down to 54
Stealing: Down to 62
DAware: Down to 70
Ovrl: 62

Kenny Thomas:
Inside Scoring: Down to 65
Jumping: Up to 67
Dribbling: Down to 57
DAware: Up to 70
Primacy: Down to 45
Overall: 67

Brian Skinner:
FG: Up to 50
Passing: Up to 22
Dribbling: Up to 34
Inside Scoring: Up to 65
DAware: Up to 72
Stamina: Up to 56
Hardiness: Down to 41
Center/Power Forward
Overall: 59

Corliss:
3 PT: Down to 5
FT: Down to 70
Inside Scoring: Up to 82
OAware: Down to 70
Stamina: Down to 55
Primacy: Up to 57
Overall: 59

John Salmons:
FT: Up to 77
Quick: Up to 64
Speed: Up to 68
Passing: Up to 61
Dribbling: Up to 63
OAware: Up to 61
Stamina: Down to 46
Primacy: Down to 40
Everything is indicating that he will be the 76ers 6th man (and if you're uncomfortable, I would at least put him behind Iggy but ahead of McKie...my recommended bench is 6 - Salmons, 7 - Skinner, 8- Iggy, 9 - Corliss, 10 - McKie, 11- Ollie, 12 - Jackson).
Overall: 56

Magic Bench:
6 - Battie, 7 - Nelson, 8 - Stevenson, 9 - Garrity, 10 - Augmon, 11 - Bogans, 12 - DeClerq

Suns' Bench:
6 - JJ, 7 - Barbosa, 8 - Vroman (switch him to C), 9 - Jacobsen, 10 - Zarko, 11 - Hunter, 12 - Eisley

What is David Bluenthal doing at 55 overall? I know he had a good SL and all but... 6 - Jackson 7 - Ostertag 8 - Martin 9 - Songalia 10 - Bluenthal (sp) 11 - Minard 12 - Smith

Udrih before Sato (before Willis) and Willis.

Move Radman to SF (also, 3 pt up to 78, primacy up to 50, overall = 58) and Fortson lower his dribbling (30), OAware (38), stealing (64), primacy (28), and overall (55). Make their bench 6 - Murray, 7 - Radman 8 - Vitaly 9 - Ridnour 10 - Fortson 11 - James 12 - Sesay

Etan Thomas before Peeler and Walker.

Brian Scalabrine:
FG: Up to 66
Inside Scoring: Down to 42
Quick, Speed: Up to 54
Passing: Up to 66
Dribbling: Up to 61
DReb: Down to 67
Overall: 53

Bo Outlaw:
FG: Down to 32
Primacy: Down to 18

Brian Cardinal:
Inside Scoring: Down to 48
OAware: Up to 65
Hardiness: Up to 58
PF/SF

Andres Nocioni:
FG: Up to 67
FT: Up to 68
Dunking: Up to 70
Inside Scoring: 62 (can't remember if I changed this or not)
OReb: 55 (see above comment)
Jumping: Up to 67
OAware: (same comment)
Passing Down to 49
DReb: (lol same comment)
Blocking: Up to 58
DAware: Up to 62
Primacy: Down to 44
SF/PF
Overall: 65
I'd bet that he starts

Last few...
Travis Outlaw:
FG: 66
3 PT: 58
Inside Scoring: 40
OReb: 36
Dribbling: 54
OAware: 34
DReb: 46
Blocking: 43
DAware: 43
Primacy: 43
Overall: 53
Range: Up to 23

Vlad Stephania:
C/PF

Ruben Patterson:
Dribbling: Down to 56
Quick: Up to 69
OAware: Down to 60
Primacy: Down to 36
Overall: 57

Qyntel Woods:
FT: Down to 63
Dunking: Up to 74
Inside Scoring: Down to 45
OReb: 35
Quick, Speed: 75
OAware: 59
DReb: 45
Overall: 56

Nick "the Quick":
Quick, Speed: 82 (despite his name, he's lost a lot of quickness/speed over the years)
Passing: 74
Stealing: Up to 53
Primacy: 69
Overall: 68

Blazers Bench:
6 - NVE, 7 - SAR, 8 - Patterson, 9 - Stephania, 10 - Woods, 11 - Telfair, 12 - Outlaw

[SkipToMy_Lou]

Andres Nocioni:
FG: Up to 67
FT: Up to 68
Dunking: Up to 70
Inside Scoring: 62 (can't remember if I changed this or not)
OReb: 55 (see above comment)
Jumping: Up to 67
OAware: (same comment)
Passing Down to 49
DReb: (lol same comment)
Blocking: Up to 58
DAware: Up to 62
Primacy: Down to 44
SF/PF
Overall: 65
I'd bet that he starts

Why would you rate Nocioni 65?
his current rating of 59 is too high for him.

[sventhedog]

NUGGETS nene starting center. "Rotation Analysis: The early word is that Nene starts at the five, Martin starts at the four, and Anthony starts at the three, leaving Camby as the sixth man." -yahoosports

SPURS linton johnson higher rebounding and def aware. "He's a really good athlete and good defender"

[FanOfAll]

Andres Nocioni:
FG: Up to 67
FT: Up to 68
Dunking: Up to 70
Inside Scoring: 62 (can't remember if I changed this or not)
OReb: 55 (see above comment)
Jumping: Up to 67
OAware: (same comment)
Passing Down to 49
DReb: (lol same comment)
Blocking: Up to 58
DAware: Up to 62
Primacy: Down to 44
SF/PF
Overall: 65
I'd bet that he starts

Why would you rate Nocioni 65?
his current rating of 59 is too high for him.

He's better than Deng right now, better than Iggy, Wright, McKie (just names I looked at from my post)...but 65 is possibly too high for him, I'll look at other players that are 65. However, if Deng is a 65, Nocioni should be at least a 65, that is without a doubt. Also, overall rating can be misleading, as it's based on all-around skills. Ratings can sometimes be drastically affected because the player doesn't dunk and can't jump very high.

Jiri Welsch:
Passing: 67
OAware: 70

[sventhedog]

MAVS devin harris lower overall. he's overrated.

lower def aware
NUGGETS nene - low-mid 70's. at 79, he's overrated.
ROCKETS mark jackson - low-mid 50's. he's old.
* s.marbury, jamal mashburn, steve nash, sam cassell ranks same with eduardo najera who is a good defender. i think they're all defensive liabilities.

higher def aware
GRIZZLIES shane battier - mid 70's. hes a good defender.
NETS kerry kittles - mid-high 70's. he's a very good defnder.

lower ins. scoring
BULLS antonio davis - mid 80's. at 87, he ranks same with zach randolf. he's aging.

higher ins scoring
MAVS erick dampier - low-mid 70's. at 68, he ranks same with darius songaila.
SPURS manu ginobilli - 58-59. he's not an established outside shooter so he score's more inside. at 53, he ranks lower than rip hamilton, sam cassell who are outside scorers.
robert horry - 49-50. he's a perimeter player but he's not that poor (48) inside scoprer. at 48, he's lower than frank williams, antonio daniels.
WIZARDS antawn jamison - 84-86. he's a very good inseide scorer. At 80, he's lower than nene.

[FanOfAll]

NUGGETS nene - low-mid 70's. at 79, he's overrated.

We clash yet again . IMO, if anything Nene is underrated...he is definitely better than Camby and just a hair below Martin...which I believe is where 79 puts him at.

[Andrew]

Wow, a lot of suggestions since I last logged in (I didn't have time yesterday). No matter, all noted.

[sventhedog]

note: im not basing it all on stats. i also consider their skill, potential, shot attempts. etc.

JASON KIDD lower 3 pt to mid 60's. at 69, he's overrated as a shooter. he had 32.1% season. and just 20% playoffs. and he's higher than ginobilli(68) who shot 36% season and 28.6% playoffs. he's a great player but just an average shooter.

RIP HAMILTON lower 3pt to mid 60's. at 68, he's overrated as a 3pt shooter. he shot well in the playoffs yet he still is a below 30% career 3 pt shooter.

ANDREI KIRILENKO higher fg to 69-70. he shot 44.3% last season.

MANU GINOBILLI SPEED & QUICK to mid 80's. at 82, he's as fast as antawn jamison (6'9, 223) ?

STEALS to high 80's.his default (original nbalive 2004 roster) steal rating is 91. i dont think it should be down to his current rating(84). he's one of the league leaders(Ranks #3 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes(2.89)) even playing off the bench.
2003-2004 season - nene (86 steal rating) 1.51 spg in 32.5 mins. stephen jackson (84) 1.78 in 36.8 mins. jason kidd(90) 1.82 in 36.6 mins. ginobilli 1.77 in 29.4 mins.

OFF REB to high 20's. at 25, he's lower than bruce bowen (25) who averaged 0.50 off rpg in 32.0 mins last season. while ginobilli 1.10 off rpg in 29.4 mins.

FREE THROW to at least 77. he's a career 77.8% ft shooter. 80.2 lasts season and 81.8 playoffs.

INS. SCORING to 58-59. he's not an established outside shooter so he score's more inside. at 53, he ranks lower than rip hamilton, sam cassell who are outside scorers.

[Alcoholic]

I sure hope your not thinking of giving Fish a good 3pt rating because I see him all the time and he just doesn't hit it like he used to. I was also curious and went to NBA.com and noticed that in the 03-04 season Fish's 3 pt % was 29.1% I rest my case.

[Andrew]

Noted. And no, I don't think Derek Fisher should have a three point icon either, but perhaps a rating that should allow him to attempt and hit them fairly consistenly at a lower percentage would be in order.

[sventhedog]

PISTONS ricky paulding signed a one-year deal to play for Hapoel Jerusalem.

SPURS romain sato sg/sf. jersey no. 10.

[Andrew]

Thanks.

[JimRaynor55]

Shaun Livingston:
Lower his strength. I've read reports that he can't even bench 145 lbs. At 34, he's as strong as many players with 25 or 30 lbs. on him.

Chris Webber:
Lower his passing. He's rated at 69, while averaging 4.6 apg in real life. Antoine Walker, who averaged 4.5 apg, is only rated at 56. And with his injuries, does he still deserve a dunk rating of 90 and quickness and speed ratings of about 70?

Steve Nash:
Lower his defensive awareness more. At 64, he's a better defender than most starting PGs in the game.

Marcus Banks:
He ranked #1 last season in spg per 48 minutes. He deserves a far higher steal rating than 70.

Rasheed Wallace:
He averaged 33% from behind the 3pt line last season. He deserves to be in the high 60s to low 70s, rather than the low 50s.

Stanislav Medvedenko:
His FG rating should be raised so that his mid range jumper is a considerable (if inconsistent) threat. With a rating of 62, he's not a good shooter at all, which makes him complete trash in the game since that's all he can do in real life. His shooting range of 15 feet also needs to be slightly increased.

Richard Hamilton:
In addition to lowering his 3pt rating, lower his effective shooting range to within the 3pt line. He's overrated at 25 feet.

Doug Christie:
Lower his defensive awareness. At 95, he's got the highest defensive awareness of any active player. While he's a perennial All-Defensive Team selection, I think most people consider Bowen and Artest to be a step above him.

[JimRaynor55]

Shaq's offensive rebounding (80) and defensive rebounding (83) should be increased. Almost every notable big man (and even a few second and third tier players) have better rebounding ratings than him. He shouldn't be as good as KG, Duncan, or Big Ben, but he is one of the top rebounders in the league.

[sventhedog]

Chris Webber:
Lower his passing. He's rated at 69, while averaging 4.6 apg in real life. Antoine Walker, who averaged 4.5 apg, is only rated at 56. And with his injuries, does he still deserve a dunk rating of 90 and quickness and speed ratings of about 70?

i'm not a webber fan but i think his pass rating is fine. he's still one of the best passing big man in the league. you cant take everything away from an injured player, otherwise andrew's ratings would be bouncing up and down all the time with all player injuries. if this is the case, iverson probably will be slower now, lower fg, etc. he played injured last season but i think he will be better this season and so will webber.

Steve Nash:
Lower his defensive awareness more. At 64, he's a better defender than most starting PGs in the game.

i agree. this is also the case in sam cassell, jamal mashburn. both have high def awareness ratings.

Marcus Banks:
He ranked #1 last season in spg per 48 minutes. He deserves a far higher steal rating than 70.

Richard Hamilton:
In addition to lowering his 3pt rating, lower his effective shooting range to within the 3pt line. He's overrated at 25 feet.

Doug Christie:
Lower his defensive awareness. At 95, he's got the highest defensive awareness of any active player. While he's a perennial All-Defensive Team selection, I think most people consider Bowen and Artest to be a step above him.

i strongly second all these.

[Andrew]

Thanks for the latest, all noted.