1.1 Suggestions

[DTNTER2003]

Hello, I would like to suggest a ratings system. As regarding 3 pt shooting. I think any player with a career average above 34% and taken a decent amount of 3s should have a 3 pt icon and scale accordingly. I think you should take into account for yourself each players stats, career accomplishments, and scouting reports when doing ratings . Please.

[Andrew]

I certainly take career achievements and skills into consideration, but sometimes ratings have to be altered to reflect a player's current performance. Thus, players who have struggled in recent times from the outside have had their three point ratings lowered, even though they've had more memorable performances from beyond the arc earlier in their careers.

[sventhedog]

Nene:
DAware: Up to 79
Overall: 70


KMart:
Strength: 82
Blocking: 71
Overall: 80

NENE: i think that would be too high for him. he's not that good as a defender to rank same as tayshuan prince at 79. i think his ratings in andrews last update is already enough. one more thing is this will make the denver nuggets team overall too high. no question that they improved and will be a strong playoff contender but they are still a one dimensional team that will rely on transition game to win. k-mart is not much of a half court set low post scorer. this was according to nba analysts.

KMART:at strength 82, this will make him as strong as tim duncan which i think will not be very correct. he's no match for duncan in the low post which we have seen in the spurs-net finals series the in 2003. kmart relies on his quickness and speed and not strength.

[Raider_MXD]

Pachulia Primary Pos C, secondary PF

[FanOfAll]

NENE: i think that would be too high for him. he's not that good as a defender to rank same as tayshuan prince at 79. i think his ratings in andrews last update is already enough. one more thing is this will make the denver nuggets team overall too high. no question that they improved and will be a strong playoff contender but they are still a one dimensional team that will rely on transition game to win. k-mart is not much of a half court set low post scorer. this was according to nba analysts.

KMART:at strength 82, this will make him as strong as tim duncan which i think will not be very correct. he's no match for duncan in the low post which we have seen in the spurs-net finals series the in 2003. kmart relies on his quickness and speed and not strength.

If KMart wasn't on the team, Nene would be by far, the best post (man to man, Camby the better helpside) defender Denver has and even with KMart, it's debatable. I don't know which NBA analysts your talking about , but KMart vastly improved his post game. He doesn't rely on Kidd as much as in his first 2 seasons. His post game is vastly underrated and very good, especially that jump hook. Also, when PHO is at a 92 and PDX 91, I think you have to throw team ratings out of the picture. You have to rate players as players, not to balance teams. Prince's DAWARE should go up a bit too.

Well, in that case, Duncan's strength needs some boosting to the high 80s. Not to mention that KMart is a strong player, but if you must, a 78 strength rating wouldn't be far from the truth. Just not 60 something it was before. Defending the low post has a lot more to do than strength.

Edit: However, I did think about, and you're right, 82 is a bit too high. So KMart: Strength --> 78

BTW, Andrew, Nene FG down to 66.

Oh and Andrew, where is Willie Green? He's your new Philadephia 76er starting 2 guard. I would rate him around 58-64. He's a lot like AI, knows how to score, good jumper, very quick, a terrific slasher, good defender. I know the 76ers have 15 players, so I would waive MacCoullough (sp)). All signs are he's not returning.

[[lob]-Shy]

I see that u did leave out sum rookies, u do plan on adding them into 1.10 right?

[Andrew]

Thanks for the latest. I will probably add more rookies in v1.10, there's only abou 3 or 4 from the draft that I haven't added yet. I was informed that most of them wouldn't make the final cut and as I couldn't find sufficient information about them, I wasn't in a rush to add them to the rosters.

[superman]

how about 04 team USA thanks

[Dylan_Castaneda]

Hey, on my game it shows Michael Curry with team #38, if I'm not mistaken it should be team 26 (tor) or the fa list.

[sventhedog]

Well, in that case, Duncan's strength needs some boosting to the high 80s. Not to mention that KMart is a strong player, but if you must, a 78 strength rating wouldn't be far from the truth. Just not 60 something it was before. Defending the low post has a lot more to do than strength.

Edit: However, I did think about, and you're right, 82 is a bit too high. So KMart: Strength --> 78

i was talking about the sports illustrated analysts.
i would suggest kmart to be in the mid to higher 60's. strength over 70 is too high. 78 would make him as strong as amare stoudermire and stronger than erick dampier. erick dampier is definitely stronger than kmart.

HAWKS antoine walker pf/sf.
MAVS marquis daniels sg/pg. he'll be playing more at sg with the arrival of j.terry.
PISTONS derick coleman lower overall. he's overrated at his age.
SIXERS corliss williamson pf/sf.

[FanOfAll]

This is screwy. Maybe it's me, but I've seen guys (can't remember off the top of my head) weaker than KMart in the 60s. I'll check it up though. How does Duncan get an 82, Dampier sub-78? Does Shaq have like a 88? Must be me, I'll look into it more.

So I looked into it. Boozer with strength of 98, Curry 99, Magloire 59? Either way, a good majority of the strength ratings are so screwy right now, if KMart is a 78 or a 68 I guess it doesn't matter, when JO is a 57. Either way, proposing KMart have a strength of 65-69 makes him weaker than Gooden (75), Camby (70!), Rogers (71), Collison (71), and Jarron Collins (71). Just some notables. A lot of big men need their strength ratings tweaked...I'll look to make changes when I have some more time.

Cut from the Bulls:
Kendall Gill (FA)
Chris Jeffries
(if you have to cut someone else, Paul Shirley)

And JYD (Jerome Williams) --> PF/SF (he was SF last year, but that was because the Bulls had Dupree and LJ3 there lol!)

[Andrew]

Hey, on my game it shows Michael Curry with team #38, if I'm not mistaken it should be team 26 (tor) or the fa list.

I was informed that he had retired. If that isn't the case, I'll move him to the Free Agents.

Suggestions noted, seems like I'll have to take a look at the Strength ratings for practically everyone.

[Dylan_Castaneda]

Thanks Andrew

[Yaso_Kuul]

A few name corrections:

Aleksander Pavlovic (Cavs) -> Aleksandar Pavlovic
Pavel Podkolzine (Mavs) -> Pavel Podkolzin
Peter John Ramos (Wiazrds) -> name: Ramos - fname: Peter John
Sergei Monya (Blazers) -> Sergei Monia


I also noticed that most of the rookies don't have correct birthplace data.
You can find it here: www.nba.com/draft2004/board.html -> then select the players and you will see the birthdates and birthplaces

[FanOfAll]

Correction/change of mind: Cut Paul Shirley before Jeffries.

BTW, Curry did retire. Last I've heard about him.

[sventhedog]

HAWKS bob sura sg/pg. he played pg late last season.
BULLS rel. k.gill(free agent unlikely to sign with the club) and paul shirley to accomodate players from the crawford trade.
WARRIORS erick dampier higher strength.
WOLVES wally sczerbiak lower def aware to low 50's. he's a defensive liability.
BUCKS rel. brevin knight, please create lonnie jones c/pf.
toni kukoc lower overall. bec of his age.
HORNETS jamal mashburn lower def aware to (low-mid 50's). overrated at 64 w/c is higher than magloire.
KNICKS stephon marbury lower def aware. overrated.
BLAZERS qyntel woods lower overall to 59 or 58.
damon stoudamire lower def aware. overrated.
SPURS romain sato higher def aware. he has good strength w/c makes him a good defender. lower his offense a little bit.
beno udrih lower def aware to (45-50).

[FanOfAll]

HAWKS bob sura sg/pg. he played pg late last season.

Because Delk is the only other PG on the squad, I would make Sura a PG/SG.

[Andrew]

I also noticed that most of the rookies don't have correct birthplace data.
You can find it here: www.nba.com/draft2004/board.html -> then select the players and you will see the birthdates and birthplaces

That's because their birth places are not in NBA Live 2004's database. I am aware that the information is available at NBA.com.

Thanks for the latest suggestions, I'm not sure if I'll release a new update tomorrow but it should certainly be within the next week.

[FanOfAll]

Lamar Odom:
Inside Scoring: 62 (even at PF does most of his scoring outside)
Passing: 70
Dribbling: 73 (ability to play point forward)
Overall: 75

[sventhedog]

hi. im currently studying the comparative ratings of players. here's what i noticed:
i concentrated on strength ratings. i will post my speed observations later.
i would suggest andrew manipulate speed and strength to avoid too much increase in overall. since speed and strength are most(if not all) of the time inversely proportional and vice versa. eg. if u increase danny fortson's strength(59), lower his speed(55) to maintain his overall(57).
note: im not saying i'm correct, but these suggestions were made after close observations of player ratings. i hope this helps.

CELTICS gary payton lower def aware to low-mid 80's. higher strength to low 40's. he's strong enough to post up smaller guards.
al jefferson lower strength to low 70's.
CAVS robert traylor (pf/c) higher strength to mid-high 80's.
ira newble higher strength to high 40's
MAVS dirk nowitzki higher hardiness to 90.
NUGGETS kenyon martin higher strength to low-mid 60's
carmelo anthony higher strength to mid 50's.
PISTONS ben wallace higher strenth to mid 70's. lower fg to mid 50's. at 58, same as r.nesterovic(more established scorer(can hit outside jumper) than b.wallace)
ROCKETS yao ming lower strength to mid 70's.
PACERS jermaine o'neal higher strength to low-mid 60's.
LAKERS sasha vujacic pg/sg. lower strength to 40.
devean george lower overall. he's one of nba's overrated players. he feeds off from double teams on shaq. he'll no longer have that luxury.
brian grant pf/c.
lamar odom sf/pf.
starters will be c-divac,pf-b.grant,sf-odom,sg-bryant,pg-atkins
GRIZZLIES bonzi wells higher strength to high 30's. at 36, he's weaker than hoiberg and ginobilli.
HEAT damon jones 170 lbs.
dwayne wade higher jumping to high 70's to low 80's.
shaq o'neal higher off reb to high 70's to low'80's.
BUCKS keith van horn lower strength to low 60's. at 64 he's stronger than brian grant.
WOLVES wally sczerbiak lower strength to low 50's. at 58, he's as strong as mark madsen.
HORNETS jamal magloire higher strength to mid-high 60's.
KNICKS jamal crawford jersery no. 11.
MAGIC kelvin cato higher dunk to high 60's.
SIXERS corliss williamson higher strength to high 60's. at 65, he's weaker than samuel dalembert.
BLAZERS theo ratliff lower strength to low 80's.
RAPTOS rafael araujo lower strength to high 60's.
KINGS bobby jackson higher strength to low 40's. at 32, he's just as strong as mike bibby, raul lopez.
brad miller higher strenth to low 70's. at 68, he's weaker than camby.
SPURS rasho nesterovic higher strength to mid-high 50's. at 53, he's just as strong as z.cabarkapa and v.radmanovic.
devin brown higher strength to mid 50's.
romain sato higher strength to high 50's. at 6'2(he's true height accdg to yahoosports but he's listed at 6'5), "His athleticism and strength allowed him to play like a power forward at the college level. His biggest strength is his strength, which allows him to muscle bigger opponents on defense and on the glass. That toughness should translate in the NBA in the form of defensive prowess. Sato has the ability to become a lock-down defender.
Sato started all 130 games of his college career, but saw his scoring dip from his junior to senior season. Sato does most of his scoring inside and has shot 35 percent on 3-pointers each of the last two seasons. Offensively, Sato lacks NBA ability. His ballhandling needs improvement and his shooting is marginal."-yahoosports
kevin willis higher strength to mid 80's.
tim duncan lower strength to 80. higher hardiness to mid 80's
SONICS danny fortson higher strength to low-mid 80's.
FREE AGENT karl malone higher strength to low-mid 90's. he's definitely stronger than theo ratliff, they are both 88.
dan langhi lower dunk to low 60's.

[FanOfAll]

PACERS jermaine o'neal higher strength to low-mid 60's.

Great post dude. I have some very minor input. I would make JO bit stronger than KMart.

starters will be c-divac,pf-b.grant,sf-odom,sg-bryant,pg-atkins

The starters will most likely be that. No doubt. However, knowing the lack of the intelligence Live's AI has, Odom will probably never play PF, which I'm pretty sure he will for at least 10 mpg in RL. Also, that really pushes Butler and George's minutes down significantly.So another lineup idea is:
Divac/Mihm
Odom/Grant/Slava
Butler/Odom/George/Walton
Kobe/George/Rush
Atkins/Banks
It's not accurate, but I think it will get the minutes more correct. Just an idea.

GRIZZLIES bonzi wells higher strength to high 30's. at 36, he's weaker than hoiberg and ginobilli.

I'll extend this and say 40 exactly. He's real strong for his position.

I'll add one:
Marcus Camby:
Strength: Down to mid-high 60s.

Oh almost forgot:
Chris Bosh:
Weight: Up to 230.

[Andrew]

Thanks guys, all noted.

[FanOfAll]

Hope I can squeeze in some more Andrew.

Drew Gooden:
Strength: Down to mid 60s

Carlos Boozer:
Strength: Down to low-mid 90s (he's strong but not 98 )

Eddy Curry:
Strength: Down to low 90s

Peter John Ramos: (Wizards)
Rookie needs darker skin

[Andrew]

No problem.

[sventhedog]

i apologize for all my lengthy posts w/c fills up too much space. i just want it to be as complete as possible..
i concentrated on speed ratings. i noticed that rookies(big man) have quite high speed and strength ratings.

BOBCATS rel. marcus fizer. he's not in the roster.
MAVS dirk nowitzki higher speed to 65.
PISTONS derick coleman lower speed to high low 50's.
ben wallace higher speed to mid 50's. at 50, he's slower than divac and campbell.
rasheed wallace lower speed to low 70's. at 75 he's faster than kevin garnett, lebron james.
richard hamilton higher fg to low-mid 80's. lower his range to emphasize his midrange game.
HEAT shaq o'neal lower speed to 61. at 63, he's faster than e.najera, gerald wallace.
HORNETS chris andersen higher speed mid to high 40's. at 45, he's slower than z.ilgauskas
SIXERS corliss williamson lower speed to low 60's. at 74, he's faster than carmelo anthony and darius miles.
SUNS jake voskhul higher speed to mid 40's. at 40 he's slower than r.traylor, shawn bradley.
BLAZERS darius miles higher speed to mid 70's.
RAPTOS rafael araujo lower speed to low 60's.
KINGS chris webber lower speed to 70. at 73, he's faster than garnett, lebron james.
SPURS malik rose higher speed to mid-high 50's. at 50, he's slower than divac, e.campbell. he's 6'7.
tony parker lower fg to 75-78.
romain sato lower fg to high 60's.
SONICS danny fortson lower speed to high 40's.

HAWKS antoine walker higher off aware to 80. at 78, he's lower than kenyon martin(more of a defensive player)
LAKERS vlade divac higher off aware to low 60's. lower def aware to low 60's.
BLAZERS shariff abdur rahim higher off aware to high 70's.
KINGS mike bibby higher off aware to 80. at 78, he's lower than kenyon martin(more of a defensive player)
SPURS brent barry higher off aware to low 60's.
JAZZ memo okur higher off aware to 72-73. lower def aware to 45-46.