NBA live 2003 doesn't seem that much better than 2003

[malice_05]

Reviews make them seem almost the exact same with the scores they give it.

[cocobee]

NBA live 2003 doesn't seem that much better than 2003

really, i wonder why?

I've played it (2004), and trust me--both play different. Hey man, the best review is your own. It's a totally new game to me--and the fact that there are sliders is an insurance policy.

[Shegotgame]

It is better.
IN 2004 you can actually play, *gasp* Defense.

[Ricks]

dude...

going off arcade focussed reviews isn't the way to make your mind up... I'm waiting for everyone who play it for simulation purposes to come back here and say they piece...

so come on yall, say yo piece!

cocobee... any of the issues in 2003 still present in 2004? like ummm high scores?!?!?!?!

do you still score like 150 -160 games? where you have to set it up so that you are only playing 7 mins of the game to get a proper score line?

most of the time I was just playing for the score line... like not really playing but running the clock down to and then shooting...

I wanna be going all out for 12 mins and not get a ridiculous margin like 140 - 150...

that's just crazy...

can the comp go nuts for like 3 mins still and hit all they jumpers from ANYWHERE?!?!?!

[Shegotgame]

Its harder to score...when I earn a bucket I feel really accomplished.
Harder to run fast breaks b/c the computer gets back and plays D.
I'm having trouble with mid-rangers so far.


I've been playing 5 minute quarters and I think the highest I've scored was 50. I've only played 3 games...I wish I could play more but I have an exam to study for.

[sixerfan03]

IGN said that mid-range jumpers were very hard. Has anyone tried turning the slider up and seeing if it helps.

[cyanide]

I've been playing 5 minute quarters and I think the highest I've scored was 50.

In real NBA games, they go by 12 minute quarters and the final score usually range from 85-100 points. 50 points in a game using 5 minute quarters is pretty high, IMO, taking realism into account.

[KABI]

That would be like 120 points in a real game, which isn't absurd. Take into consideration in more minutes the bench plays more and the bench doesn't usually have as talented scorers. Besides he said 50 was the HIGHEST, I'd be fine with that.

[cyanide]

That would be like 120 points in a real game, which isn't absurd. Take into consideration in more minutes the bench plays more and the bench doesn't usually have as talented scorers. Besides he said 50 was the HIGHEST, I'd be fine with that.

Oh, I'm aware of that, but she implied that it's not high enough for her. That's the message I was trying to get across with my previous post. I apologize if I made it sound like 120 was too high

[ksgtarheel]

50 sounds great for 5 min quarters. It is better than me avg. 93.7 pts in 4 min quarters in 2003 on all-star mode.

[malice_05]

i am getting Live still i don't care about the reviews when it comes to getting the game I am just sayin it doesn't seem that much better compared to 2003 as the reviews say. I'm not sayin it isn't.

[nickjgar]

Do you guys really play 12 minute quarters. That's just too much for me but I see what your saying. I'm glad scores are pretty high. I like playing like 5 or 6 minute quarters. I don't like all fast breaks but I like playing 6 minute quarters and at least getting normal stats for my starters and a bench player or two.

[Ricks]

Its harder to score...when I earn a bucket I feel really accomplished.
Harder to run fast breaks b/c the computer gets back and plays D.
I'm having trouble with mid-rangers so far.


I've been playing 5 minute quarters and I think the highest I've scored was 50. I've only played 3 games...I wish I could play more but I have an exam to study for.

damn 50 points the highest? that's like what? 4 mins from 2 quarters


5minq = 50 / 4 = 12.5 per quarter
5minq * 10 about 25 mins per half = 125

so on average you'll be gettin somewhere between the 100 - 125 mark?
25 was rounded up, but still man, remove 2 mins from that equation it would be like 120... and that IS pretty damned high... 3pl OT games reach that at times or massive blowouts from a team in the zone...

hmmm dunno man... seems like last seasons scorelines to me... and that's with me holding the ball up

[Colin]

damn 50 points the highest? that's like what? 4 mins from 2 quarters


5minq = 50 / 4 = 12.5 per quarter
5minq * 10 about 25 mins per half = 125

so on average you'll be gettin somewhere between the 100 - 125 mark?
25 was rounded up, but still man, remove 2 mins from that equation it would be like 120... and that IS pretty damned high... 3pl OT games reach that at times or massive blowouts from a team in the zone...

hmmm dunno man... seems like last seasons scorelines to me... and that's with me holding the ball up

Did you read the other posts? It was mentioned that this was the highest score she got. And there's also these things that make a huge ammount on gameplay called sliders which you can use as little or as much as you want, lower the game speed to 0 and I think you're looking at a Bad Boy Pistons vs. 97 Knicks kind of score.

[Ricks]

damn 50 points the highest? that's like what? 4 mins from 2 quarters


5minq = 50 / 4 = 12.5 per quarter
5minq * 10 about 25 mins per half = 125

so on average you'll be gettin somewhere between the 100 - 125 mark?
25 was rounded up, but still man, remove 2 mins from that equation it would be like 120... and that IS pretty damned high... 3pl OT games reach that at times or massive blowouts from a team in the zone...

hmmm dunno man... seems like last seasons scorelines to me... and that's with me holding the ball up

Did you read the other posts? It was mentioned that this was the highest score she got. And there's also these things that make a huge ammount on gameplay called sliders which you can use as little or as much as you want, lower the game speed to 0 and I think you're looking at a Bad Boy Pistons vs. 97 Knicks kind of score.

yes I read the posts... and yes I did read that it was the HIGHEST that she got... damn...

I was going off her HIGHEST points tally...

and if you read my post, I said Highest in the first sentence...

I hope the sliders aren't just a cheap way to increase the shot difficulty... you'd sink it down to 0 and get like 30% from the field or somethin... now that would be screwed...

[Ricks]

Do you guys really play 12 minute quarters. That's just too much for me but I see what your saying. I'm glad scores are pretty high. I like playing like 5 or 6 minute quarters. I don't like all fast breaks but I like playing 6 minute quarters and at least getting normal stats for my starters and a bench player or two.

well, for me I think 12 mins = simulation...

it really bugs me how my none of my players play more than 24 mins a game... (that's a sixth man's minutes)

[nickjgar]

i understand. Its always been that way. i used to try to play 12 minute quarters before it was even called nba live and the scores were high and it was just too long. i just think twelve minutes is too long to play on a regular basis, but i know what you mean. how long does that game take you anyway?

[Ricks]

To play a season you mean?

well, I usually play like 1 - 2 games on weeknights... that takes about what 1 hour and half?

and of course you gotta check out the stats... play with the rosters a little and see how you are going with everything, scout some players you might need to fill your bench from the FA list...

so probably about a good 1.5 - 2 hours man heh...

weekends if I'm not out doing anything I play about 4 games heh

[Shegotgame]

I didn't imply that 50 wasn't high enough for me.
I just knew you guys would ask what the score range is, so I said I think 50 is the highest I've scored in a game.

As far as ppl who think 50 is too high for 5 minute qtrs. how many points would you prefer? I know you want realism, but I think in a condensed amount of time you get condensed realism, so to speak. (does that make sense?) So to me 50 pts in 5 minutes is good.

I've never been one to play 12 min games anyway...

As far as sliders I haven't had time to experiment with them yet.
I just raised foul calls and fatigue.
Game speed is default. (a decent pace actually).

[cocobee]

Ok--this game is solid. I played 4 games of 8 minute quarters each with my last game being the best. I was the Cavs vs the Rockets. I'm still messing with the sliders--but i have the game speed at 45 right now and i might actually put it up a little more. I messed with the subs, and i was happy for the most part--except in the 4th quarter when they took out illguskas(sp) and put Mihm in with like 2 minutes to go. I shot 50% and the Rockets shot 52%--but a lot of it was maybe my lack of defense (still learning) The pro hop is not a weapon--you really have to know when to use it. There is some slow down at some points but it doesn't ruin the experience for me, it might change depending on the camera view ( i use press cam, with a couple notches back). James had 11 points and 6 assists and 3 boards. Illgaskus and Davis were my leading scorers. I'm still tweaking with the sliders but they really make a difference. The game is fun and I'll prolly play a couple more games and start a dynasty tommorrow. If you like Live, and are use to Live then you will like this game. I'm satisfied with the game and this will hold me over till my true love (the PC version) comes out. BTW-I lost 78-82. When the Rockets were up by 1 with 40 seconds to go--they went on a 4 corners offense.(i thought that was cool)--but they made a wide open 3 in the corner to close the deal. I played on All-Star too--I need to get use to the buttons still.

[Metsis]

It would seem that once you get familiar with the game and get that scoring going you could score normal scores 80-100 with 8 minute quarters. Cocobee has played a couple of game on 8 minutes and scoring around 80, or am I way off here.

Shooting 50+% is too high... It should be more like 40-45% shooting to make it as real, but this is acceptable with the time that is saved playing a game to get realistic scores. As long as it is not 70-80% shooting like in Live 2003.

One thing I'd like to know... How are the steals and blocks? And how many rebounds you get a game on average? Are there too many steals etc.? The AI probably gets more in the beginning cause you don't know how to fake out the AI and when to pass and when not to pass. Is it real?

And I want to know everything there is to know about the dynasty mode! So tell us all when you get to that part of the game coco... We're counting on ya.

[alexboom]

hey just one thing, I wouldn't care if the score turns around 100-115 (but not more than 130) in 12 min games, i'd be happy instead, because scoring 80 pts per game would be as annoying as the games in real life were each teams don't score more than 80.
i want some realism, but adjusted just to bring the best

[Metsis]

I find the 12 minute quarters too long for my liking. I love playing basket ball, but I don't like playing a single game for an hour on a cpu. And besides, when you play a dynasty there are so many games to play that it would be best to shave some time off of the quarter length and still get realistic scores.

I'd like most games ending in the 90+ but still some games ending lower and some higher... It's just the way basket ball runs... Sometimes you get everything right and score 110 and sometimes nothing seems to fall and you score 80, but that's life. And the overall ambiance of the game sets the scores too pretty well... So if the game is a hard fought battle, well it ain't gonna be a score fest, but if there are two teams running and gunning, well you just can't keep the score low... And this has always been pretty well in place in Live games. Most of the games are decided in the fourth quarter although some games are decided before... This has always been great with Live. The guys aren't too methodical and mechanical in the game and have their good and bad days.

With that just said... Are there good and bad days for the players? Like one day Iverson shoots 13/25 and the next he goes 7/23 shots... This would be always fun and it would be great if you would notice a really hot bench guy and just play through him and keep him on the court... That would be so nice... I think it was in Live 2001 or 2000 where I had Chris Mullin as a backup SG. He really knew how to put down the three and he was extremely accurate, although his rating wasn't any different from my starters.

Do the players have good and bad days? And how are the scores? How are the rest of the stats?

[Ricks]

.... uhhhh...

right...

well if ANYBODY out there play 12 minute quarters... please post results here...

[CHHAMP]

I assume you can change the sliders anytime you want during the dynasty (from game to game), am I right?