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A gripe with training camp

Sat Nov 15, 2003 3:28 pm

I went to start a dynasty with my beloved Suns and went into training camp.I assigned the times something like shooting - 15, defence - 35, offence - 15 and conditioning - 35. In defence and conditioning a few players improved by a point in some categories bu in shooting and offence everyone got worse in something. Now why the hell would working on a part of your game in training camp make you worse? This makes absolutley no sense, I just don't get how working on something could make you worse when you're a young NBA player (like Barbosa, who was 2 points worse in every shooting category.) For the training to make any difference on your player at all it must be 100 for that one thing, that one thing will get about 4 points total added to it wheras all the things you didn't work on will have about 5 total taken away. :? :furious:

BTW, I may be starting posting some of my Suns dynasty that will be started soon?

Sun Nov 16, 2003 1:32 am

the training camps are a good idea, but to make them like that was a horrible idea. i almost always skip them, because it makes no sense. i only enter the training camps, when i know that my team is bad in something, but extreme strong in something different.

Sun Nov 16, 2003 6:18 am

You should try putting every setting on 15. Then put the one you want to concentrate most on at 55. When i do it nobody loses any ratings, and they also gain some too.

Sun Nov 16, 2003 8:17 am

With the lakers, no ones ratings changed :( .

Mon Nov 17, 2003 5:20 pm

The game states that training will affect conditioning. So if you train for a certain category say defense, the player's defense ratings will increase but other ratiings affected by conditioning will decrease ie field goals. Therefore things are much more interesting. Do you train and improve one category with risk of decreasing another category or do u not train at all?

Tue Nov 18, 2003 4:13 am

mkw3 wrote:Therefore things are much more interesting. Do you train and improve one category with risk of decreasing another category or do u not train at all?


If you really think about that question it's not interesting at all. The answer is obviously no. That marginal gain that you could get is never worth it. Example: I train at 60+ on offense and only two or three players gain anything at all, and what they do gain is useless, like your centre gaining 1 point in 3 pt shot. Similarly, point guards gaining shot blocking when you train defense, etc. All this time you're losing in important stats in the other three catgories. If someone has a good way to make training worthwhile at all PLEASE let me know, cause right now it's not only useless but detrimental to your team.

Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:43 am

Completely agreeing with Whatever63... training camp is such a piece of trash. As I said in my other post this is clearly just an excuse to include more graphics and sell more titles which will just end up sitting on people's shelves, or acting as coasters.

Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:42 am

I think the rationale here is best explained by what happened to Dennis Rodman. He was averaging 20+pts in college but when he came to the NBA he focused more on defense and rebounding, so he trained for that and he pretty much lost his scoring ability gradualy during the course of his career, but his defense and rebounding was great.

If all the categories only goes positive when we train our players then all of them could be rated a 100 after some seasons and that wouldn't be realistic too, right?

Sun Nov 23, 2003 3:01 am

Well the fact that you have a small chance at them gaining +1 in one or two categories for the price of going down by +1 in 5 or 6 categories makes this absurd. It's not like for every pip of increased rebounding skill the Worm got he lost an inch on his vertical, a pip of speed, an inch of height, 5% off his jumpshot, and a bit of his timing on blocked shots

Sun Nov 23, 2003 2:21 pm

the most u can get is 99 and for them to get to 99 they have to start at like 95 b/c 1 point increase in one category doesn't affect you overall rating much
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