Is this an "EXPLOIT" move? (+other cheap plays...)

Hey guys I've just joined my first online league and I am very happy to be playing with other people online.
However, several people have pointed out that they think a move I do is an "exploit" of the game and some things I do during the game is cheap.
I am trying to work on my game and *tweak* it so I play "fairly"... but I think it's going to take some time

Anyways I do this move in the post and I shoot a pretty good percentage wif it....
I saw the CPU doing it, I found it impossible to stop so I decided to "practice" it.

The move:

Post up, Backdown, spin to the basket, lean-in quick release
This move pushes ur defender back a bit and so it's a very high percentage shot.
But I do miss wif it and I've been blocked....I do this the most effectively with Zydrunas Ilgauskas.
Is this move an "exploit" of the game like my opponent said??


Other things ppl have complained about:
1) Holding down on freestyle to defend and bumping into the guy, pushing him back.

- Use a PF/C, hold down on freestyle and keep running really close to the guards on the other team (in fullcourt or half court).
This will keep 'bumping' and 'pushing' the opposing player back....so yea I agree this is "cheap" and not realistic at ALL.

HOWEVER, I often like to guard the player wif the ball myself, instead of letting the CPU do it. I'll admit bumping INTO the guy is cheap. But I should be allowed to hold "down" on the freestyle, getting in the defensive stance to guard the guy, holding my ground as long as I dont try running into him.
Someone suggested I shouldn't use "down" on the freestyle at all on defense..... but I disagree. If I weren't allowed to do this, it would be really difficult to stop those quick guards, penetrations, and fast breaks.

- But it is kinna hard to tell whether the defensive player is holding his ground by staying infront of the offensive player or purposely bumping into the offensive player.....

2) Not guarding the player wif the ball urself, letting the AI do it.

This is in contrast wif the complaint above....
Some ppl will control a shot blocker and stand in the middle of the lane, let the AI do all the on-ball defense and they wait for the block.
Sometimes I guard off the ball, sometimes I guard the ball..... so either way I still get yelled at by some ppl

3) Going inside too much.

Here are the shot charts in a game in which my opponent complained I went inside too often:
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~dherron/1movewonder1.JPG
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~dherron/1movewonder2.JPG
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~dherron/1movewonder3.JPG

So is it "wrong" to constantly pound the ball inside to the post? or drive the ball to the basket?

I do it sometimes because:
- I dont have confidence in my outside game, I feel my inside game is stronger
- I can pretty much score at will with the move I talked about
- mismatches
- my opponent is rotating quickly and I can't find any outside shots
I never see ppl complain someone jacking up too many 3s, I only hear complaints about taking the ball inside too often.

4) Constantly double/triple teamming

From my observations a LOT ppl play a zone on defense.... but two guys I played against complained I double/triple too much. They say this is not realistic and in the NBA teams rarely double team and when they do they only double/triple team the superstars....

I find zone defenses much harder to attack than man to man myself too.... but I think anything should be fair game.
Personally I think it's not about what kind of defense someone would LIKE to see, it's more about what type of defenses their opponent chooses to throw at them.

Last edited by mashimaro_boy on Sun Nov 23, 2003 3:09 pm, edited 21 times in total.

its like people in the nba saying giving shaq the ball is an exploit move

if u do this move against the cpu, u will be able to score anytime,, but u wont be able to do it online,, because i can easily select another player infront of him and block it from behind,,,

thats not an exploit move-> and i agree, that's just like saying giving the ball to shaq is an exploit move

its stragy not an exploit move...so they can do that too if they think itz so unfair...itz not like shoving someone to steal the move...and in NBA u can do this move so therefore i don't think itz an exploit move...and if they rili wanna stop u they'll find a way to stop u...

You'll get called for a charge

yup, against a good player you will definitely get called for a charge.

Don't listen to the guy that complained. There is nothing wrong with this move. There are ways to stop it if you are playing against a human. Besides, it's not like a bug or anything, its a reasonable, normal move... Keep on doing this move, and keep on beating the kind of people that whine.

If somebody does it to you, take the charge while he backs you down, or double team.

While I won't comment on those particular situations, I do understand where your opponents are coming from. In the league I play in we have certain agreements on things we just do NOT do.
For example, while we played with Live 03, we did not run fastbreaks after rebounds - only after steals/turnovers. The reason being that it was just too easy and lame, and scores would skyrocket as those fastbreaks could not be defended. Same thing for last minute-fouls - freethrows were nearly impossible to hit online (mostly for the client, the host could sometimes get really good %), so we agreed on not fouling; the guy in the lead did try to not play out the clock completely then, so the other team still had a chance. (eg. 20 secs to play and +1, you would not just dribble out the clock in our case)

And it does make sense IMHO, as the games become more fun for everyone involved.

Double and triple teaming any player on the court shouldn't be considered an exploit and it is very common in the NBA. Any player in the post gets double and triple teams almost as a rule because there is no more defensive guidelines and about 3/4 of the teams in the league are undersized or underskilled when defending post players.

On the perimeter you'll see the same thing for the more skilled players depending on how isolated the player is and whether or not the defending team has a lineup on the court that can properly rotate defenders if the offense catches the double-team early.

At least every-other play in the NBA is a team just probing the defense for a good 1v1 matchup or trying to swing the ball to a player who is left open by a double-team.

While I won't comment on those particular situations, I do understand where your opponents are coming from. In the league I play in we have certain agreements on things we just do NOT do.
For example, while we played with Live 03, we did not run fastbreaks after rebounds - only after steals/turnovers. The reason being that it was just too easy and lame, and scores would skyrocket as those fastbreaks could not be defended. Same thing for last minute-fouls - freethrows were nearly impossible to hit online (mostly for the client, the host could sometimes get really good %), so we agreed on not fouling; the guy in the lead did try to not play out the clock completely then, so the other team still had a chance. (eg. 20 secs to play and +1, you would not just dribble out the clock in our case)

And it does make sense IMHO, as the games become more fun for everyone involved.

Well 2004 is a LOT different than 2003.... you cant just throw a wild full court pass and expect it to connect. A lot of passes will be intercepted if you dont take care of the ball.

The foul shots lag are greatly improved this year. Even if the connection is lagging a little, the free throws wont be lagging too much.

i think the point he's trying to say is that u guys have to agree on which moves to use and which ones not to use

that move isn't that effective.. it misses alot. especially with a defender infront of you.. and you'll be called a charge almost everytime u do it that far away with a defender infront of you

pro hoppin is more an exploitish move

Looks / sounds fine to me.