laptops and video cards

[yendor28]

Hey,

I am buying a laptop on a budget
What do you think of this video card and what is MORE important, fast Mobile CPU, DDR RAM or Video card???????

thanks

Intel 852GM Video Controller with 16-64MB dynamic UMA video mem

[bishibashiboy]

Hey,

I am buying a laptop on a budget
What do you think of this video card and what is MORE important, fast Mobile CPU, DDR RAM or Video card???????

thanks

Intel 852GM Video Controller with 16-64MB dynamic UMA video mem

The Intel IGP sucks. Intel graphics cards/igp's have always sucked.

If possible get the ATI Radeon mobility 9600 or even the old Geforce4 4200 Go. Don't get the GeforceFX Go5650. It sucks ass at new games:

http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.html?i=1866&p=5

As for your other question, i would recommend a good graphics chip first (Radeon 9600), a relatively fast cpu second (2.53Ghz and up), and at least 512 megs of ddr ram 3rd.

[yendor28]

Hey,

Thanks for getting back to me.



Well basically I have been offered a WICKED deal for a toshiba satelite a10 with mobile p4 2.2 ghz CPU, 60 gig HD, 256 meg ram (says PC200 not DDR????) & a 852GM Video Controller with 16-64MB dynamic UMA video mem Graphics card. All for $2500 Australian (about 1300 US)

The deal is perfect except for the RAM and Card, so I want to know how much difference they will make.

However, because of my price range, the cards I can choose from are

852GM Video Controller with 16-64MB dynamic UMA video mem
intel extreme graphics
ATI Mobility RADEO, 16MB(Video RAM)
ATI Mobility RADEON 7500, 64MB VIDEO SDRAM
ATI Mobility RADEON 7500, 32MB VIDEO SDRAM
(With reduction in CPU speed (about p4- 1.4 Ghz) for notebooks with this card

I can get a IBM thinkpad r40 P4 1.4 Ghx (mobile), 40 gig HD, 256 DDR, & ATI Mobility RADEON 7500, 32MB VIDEO SDRAM for the same price as the toshiba
Which do you think is better?

thanks a lot
Really appreciate this.

Oh, do you know anywhere that has reviewed these laptops or graphics cards?

thanks

[bishibashiboy]

Hey,

Thanks for getting back to me.



Well basically I have been offered a WICKED deal for a toshiba satelite a10 with mobile p4 2.2 ghz CPU, 60 gig HD, 256 meg ram (says PC200 not DDR????) & a 852GM Video Controller with 16-64MB dynamic UMA video mem Graphics card. All for $2500 Australian (about 1300 US)

The deal is perfect except for the RAM and Card, so I want to know how much difference they will make.

However, because of my price range, the cards I can choose from are

852GM Video Controller with 16-64MB dynamic UMA video mem
intel extreme graphics
ATI Mobility RADEO, 16MB(Video RAM)
ATI Mobility RADEON 7500, 64MB VIDEO SDRAM
ATI Mobility RADEON 7500, 32MB VIDEO SDRAM
(With reduction in CPU speed (about p4- 1.4 Ghz) for notebooks with this card

I can get a IBM thinkpad r40 P4 1.4 Ghx (mobile), 40 gig HD, 256 DDR, & ATI Mobility RADEON 7500, 32MB VIDEO SDRAM for the same price as the toshiba
Which do you think is better?

thanks a lot
Really appreciate this.

Oh, do you know anywhere that has reviewed these laptops or graphics cards?

thanks

Well, I don't know if I should really say anything more because I don't know much about notebooks. But from what I know for desktop systems I would NOT buy any processor under 2.0Ghz nowadays which is considered entry level.

Now with that aside, I hope you're not intending to play many games on it, because neither of them have an adequate Integrated Graphics chip. Going by what you listed, I would definitely choose the toshiba satellite notebook. Bigger HD, faster CPU for the same price is worth it; especially considering the Radeon 7500 is not much to brag about. I'm not sure what kind of RAM they're giving you though. There is no such thing as PC200. Normal SDRAM comes in PC100, or PC133 nowadays. If it says PC2100 then that's DDR266.
Look it up again and tell me. It may also be 256meg 200pin RAM..in that case it's DDR as well for notebooks.

[yendor28]

Hey,

thanks for the response.

Basically, the main difference between the laptops is the graphics card (for me)

If the radeon 7500 is a lot better than I shall get the ibm. Is it a lot better? Is there anyway for me to compare them?

How to they compare to a geforce 2

thanks

[bishibashiboy]

Hey,

thanks for the response.

Basically, the main difference between the laptops is the graphics card (for me)

If the radeon 7500 is a lot better than I shall get the ibm. Is it a lot better? Is there anyway for me to compare them?

How to they compare to a geforce 2

thanks

Well, once again it depends what you're going to do with your computer. If you're going to play games, then i'm sorry to say you'll be buried if you try to play any new games on ANY of the notebooks you listed.

Now there IS a way to compare the graphics cards you list, but they are just that, graphics CARDS. Not the IGPs that notebooks use. Therefore, I have no idea how well these numbers will be represented on notebooks using scaled down versions of these desktop graphics cards. In fact up until today when you mentioned it, i didn't even know there was such a thing as a radeon 7500 for notebooks.

Anyways here is a brief run-down of how the graphics cards stack against one another. Keep in mind this is with a pretty fast system and that these are not notebooks, but they should give you a general idea:

http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/200 ... ts-04.html

Just flip thru the various pages for different benchmarks that were run.

[bishibashiboy]

Actually nevermind, I found an article you might want to read about the Radeon 7500 and the Geforce2 for notebooks:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/mobile/20020220/index.html

It's good cuz it gives you power consumption ratings and crap as well. Give it a read.
Keep in mind this is quite old and these IGPs are really outdated by today's standards.

[yendor28]

thanks heaps

looked at the site and it was good news.

I think I will get the r40, despite its 1 ghz slower cpu, I want to play nba live 2004

THANKS

[bishibashiboy]

Alright..but just remember it probably won't play all that well on that system.
Personally, I think you could build a much better DESKTOP system for the same amount of money by using an AMD processor and using the remaining money to buy a good graphics card.
But if notebooks is all you want..then there you go!

[yendor28]

Ok,

So I may have found a replacement

What do you think of this:


Dell Inspiron(TM) 5150 N3060LT Notebook

Inspiron(TM) 5150 Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 Processor 3.06GHz (15" SXGA+) 1

Soundblaster Compatible Sound with Wavetable

Internal Stereo Speakers

512KB ON-DIE L2 Cache

Moonlight Silver with Venice Blue Accents Color

15" Super XGA+ Display

512MB (2x256) DDR Memory PC2700 SDRAM 1

2 Memory Module Sockets (1 Socket User Accessible)

Video Card 64MB DDR Nvidia GeForceFX Go 5200 AGP 4X Graphics 1

Floppy Drive No Floppy Drive 1
Keyboard Internal Dell(TM) 87 Keys Keyboard (English) 1
EIDE Hard Drive 30GB Ultra ATA Hard Drive


costs me extra $50 for floppy drive, $90 for extra 10gig HD, 170 for extra 30 gig harddrive

thanks

[bishibashiboy]

Very nice system, and overall much better than the previous options. Only nitpicks i can find are:

1. They're giving you an older Pentium 4, since the new ones don't run at 3.06 anymore which means you're getting one on a slower bus. Overall, not a big deal at all and still plenty fast.

2. HD is kinda small. But it's not worth $170 to get a bigger hd, and definitely not worth $90 to get only an extra 10gigs.

3. The graphics chip still kinda sucks. But it's still better than anything you were gonna get before that. This thing is only decent for older games (anything running in directx8.1 or lower). All TRUE directX9 games utilizing shaders will run like crap. But overall still better than the radeon 7500.

I think this system is much better and is the one you should get given the 3 choices. Does it cost a lot more?

[yendor28]

thanks

No, only about $100 more but with a free case (about $150)

Thanks for that, really appreciate it

[bishibashiboy]

no probs!
Let me know how it is after you get it!

[rudogg33]

go 2 alienware.com there cheapest pentium four is, 1800 with free case. 2.8 proccessor, geforce fx 5600(user upgradable). 40 gig harddrive, 512 ddrm(upgradable to 2 gigs) THis your best choice for laptop as it offers more.

[fvdmc]

Bishiboy, how come it seems like you criticize everything that comes out of NVidia. Your right about the Radeons, they are good. It is almost as if you work for ATI.

[bishibashiboy]

Bishiboy, how come it seems like you criticize everything that comes out of NVidia. Your right about the Radeons, they are good. It is almost as if you work for ATI.

Not at all, I normally go for whatever is fast and is the best buy overall. I have no overall brand loyalty. I was an avid supporter of the Ti4200 series and the whole Geforce4 line (except the mx's) and I always recommended that to people a while back on this forum. They were significantly better than their ATI competitor cards. However, ever since the introduction of the R300 core, the tables have turned on Nvidia and they've been playing catchup.

The FX line I don't like at all. They have been shown to be a significantly worse buy than the new Radeons based on the R300 core and above.
With IGPs the situation is even more pronounced. The FX Go stinks even worse than the FX's desktop counterpart and absolutely gets destroyed by the Mobility Radeon 9600.

If Nvidia had lowered the prices of their FX line, I would not be slamming their products. The way it stands now however, ppl buying the new Nvidia cards are paying more and getting much less in return.

Hopefully with the NV40 Nvidia can come back and be more competitive. But as it stands right now, there is no reason I should recommend Nvidia cards over ATI ones. If that makes me sound like an ATI fanboy, so be it.