DUNK CONTEST IN NBA LIVE 2004

[emir45]

What up ya NBA fans out here.
Now check it.
I think that EA sports should make a NBA Dunk contest in the next version NBA Live 2004. A person should be able to control a dunk with a feature like Freestyle control. When a person takes off in the air, u should use the analog buttons to control the motion in the air. This feature only should be done in the ALL STAR game every year, but not every player can make it. A player can get to the dunk contest by doing a lot of dunks in a game and looking at his scores and checking how much of his FG's were actually dunks.
I believe that this new feature would bring new and more excitement to the game and will make it more interesting. But the trip to the dunk contest would be not that easy. To master the dunking ability you would have to go to practice mode and learn how to control the movement in the air. THIS FEATURE WOULD ONLY BE AVAILIABLE IN THE DUNK CONTEST, IN A NORMAL GAME, THE COMPUTER DOES ALL THE DUNKS, YOU JUST HAVE TO RUN TOWARDS THE BASKET.

IF ANYBODY HAS OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PLEASE LET ME KNOW AND LET ME KNOW OF NEW IDEAS AND MAYBE WHEN WE PUT IT LATER ON THE WISHLIST, IT WILL HAPPEN FOR REAL.

[poorch]

nah.. id rather hav them put bak in the 3 point contest..
it was fun with a group of people

[fab5]

Not just a dunk contest but all of the events during all- star weekend (rookie game, 3pt, dunk contest) Now that would be tight. EA will probably add each one one at a time. Just think If all of these were included who would keep buying live

[Pepe]

i would rather have them concentrating on the usual gameplay and/or franchise mode issues (trading draftpicks for example) exclussively, than some mode that i wouldn't use more than 5 times (like the 3pt contest in past lives)...

[bishibashiboy]

interesting..
but i don't see how the cpu would rate the dunks..in real life i find it quite arbritrary already..for instance i thought J-Rich's last dunk last year was quite pathetic yet it was the highlight of the night..

[LegoSHAQ]

hehehe... ralph quotes... gotta love'em... anyway the way I would see it working is the same way any game where comination moves are required work. For example Tony Hawk Pro Skater or the olympics game. The harder the dunk the harder the combination you have to do on the gamepad. If your timing is correct and you get the combination correct and the dunker has a high enough dunk rating then the dunk is pulled off successfully. If the timing is wrong.. or the dunker hasn't got the dunk skills then the dunk will maybe miss or the player may loose the ball whatever... etc.. etc... the dunk rating would be on the difficulty of the dunk and how well it was executed... of course once you get good at doing the combinations you would win the dunk conest everytime... so this feature in NBA Live IMO would have limited appeal...

[bishibashiboy]

hahaha i was starting to wonder why nobody commented on my quotes...i thought nobody likes to the Simpsons here or something

ahh ic ic..i think that would work..but it might be hard to pull off so many combinations in such a short amount of time..since the guy's in the air for just like 1-2 seconds max..

[vinsanity03]

i think it would be better if they simulate the dunk competitions, and then post who won it at the end of the season, if you could control it, it would be just like an NBA Street.
And like in NBA 2k2 how it would make up all-star votes, it could do that acceot dunk candidates.

J-Richs dunks did suck, vince did his to the power of 10!

[LegoSHAQ]

1 or 2 secs is plenty of time to pull off a combo move... since the days of Street Fighter II gamers have been trying to perfect quick and complex combo moves... It works for Tony Hawk Pro Skater.... I don't see why it wouldn't work for NBA Live 2004? ... but again I stress everyone is saying they want this feature... EA will probably work hard trying to do it over other things the game needs and then people will complain about 2004 and how much the crappy dunk mode is... It happens every time... The BIGGEST complaint about 2001 was that players always pulled up fo the play and never went on the fast break... EA fixed this with 2003 and now people complain that the game always fast breaks on you (which it doesn't if you get back on D') ... It doesn't matter how good EA make this game... It will never be good enough....

[Nick]

Exactly David, ya hit the nail on the head there...Nobody will ever be happy...it will never be the perfect game...
meanwhile...

hahaha i was starting to wonder why nobody commented on my quotes...i thought nobody likes to the Simpsons here or something

I Love the simpsons!
HA! i didn't even notice your quotes untill David pointed them out...hahaha...fun fun.

Homer: "Good isn't it...i couldn't think of a title...i was thinkning along the lines of 'Beer and TV make homer go something something'"
Marge: "Go crazy?"
Homer: "DoN't MiNd If I dO!!! #@#$#^*%*&!#$%@#$^#@^%%^"

Hehe...classic...

[Andrew]

I'm all for extras - dunk contests, three-point shootout - so long as they don't come at the expense of gameplay improvements, and the extras are done well. I can enjoy the game without the sideshows, but I wouldn't object to their inclusion.

[emir45]

It would be tight if they had the dunk contest, but when you do a dunk, it is in slowmotion pictutre so that you don't have to hurry. You could do only realistic dunks, not flips and so on.

[jumpman2g]

Are you kidding me? They make Games like NBA Street specifically for those who want a dunk contest. This game has too many flaws for them to spend time on something that's so trivial. After you do a dunk 5 times, it's not going to make you jump out of your seat anymore. A solidly programmed game is what's needed first and foremost, beforelive gets ran out of business by the NBA 2K series.

This idea has been on the wishlist for years. It's neverbeen implemented because the physics and coding for that is a game in itself, and I know no one wants to have to wait until February 2004 for Live 2004. The game's growth must be a process, with steady improvements. Few would lay out the cash to buy the same game with such a small feature added.

EA is a business. The things it looks to add are things that will increase replay value, while leaving enough that they can make a new version with more than just better graphics (ie Live 2000 vs Live 2001)

[retrow]

yes I agree with the dunk contest and 3pt plus the rookie game
they should implement all of those features in the next version of nba live

[crimxon_stallion]

Some interesting ideas, but i would prefer that all the work is put into the game itself for live 2004, because there is alot of work to be doen there (especially in simulating and stats in franchise mode), and i think once they have the mechanics close enough to perfect then they wont have to put alot of effort into those things, so they will have more time to work on the little things like polishing the graphics engine a little (as that is always done) and also adding features like dunk and 3pt contests for live 2005. I would buy 2004 guaranteed for gameplay improvements, but if its the same game with a dunk contest and 3pt contest and slightly improved graphyics i may reconsider. I think mechanics come first, after thats improved greatly, then i would suggest to implement some of those features. One possible feature could beto keep the engine from Live 2003 and use that for the "arcade" mode, and design a new engine for the "simulation" mode, soemthing like that of Segas 2k3. At the moment players either say that they dotn always feel like a completely serious boring game, others say the realism makes it so fun and exciting. By implementing the two engines alongside as mentoined, maybe both of these gamers could be catered for, and i'm sure live would then sell more wiht anyone (especially with the freestyle control in there). EA should patent the freestyle control system, because i think the 2004 games will all have the feature now and capitalise on EA's great idea.

[BIG GREEN]

i find it funny how most of you are against it...then the poll says the total opposite ..and i haven't even voted yet 8)

[Andrew]

As I said, I'm for it so long as it doesn't come at the expense of gameplay improvements, and I can certainly live without the sideshows. If they put it in the game, I'd probably utilise it whenever I had a couple of minutes to kill (currently, I just put in one of the older Lives and stage a three point shootout).

[D1X1NG]

if were talking about all those side games and stuff I am a big fan of it... those are always big time wasters!
like andrew said I realy dont want to see them come over any gameplay
improvements! of course easier stuff to put then this dunk contest and all star weekend are mini games like horse and 21 and other nice stuff like in playstation related games!
I wouldent mind adding a street mode as well where you can go 3 on 3 nba jam style !

[crimxon_stallion]

YEah, likewise I also am completely for it, and especially would love to see a create-a-team feature back in there, but also if it takes time away from improving the actual game (which it will without a doubt) then id prefer gameplay improvements for 2004, and the extra games to be put in for 2005. I think EA really do need a good year or so to really get the gameplay up to where it should be, and i think that putting time into implementing these features would definately take a big bite into the time they have for gameplay improvements. I definately would like to see these things put in, but without adoubt gameplay comes first above all other things including graphics by my opinion. Id rather see the current graphics engine stay with little to no improvement, and just some slight tweaks to gameplay (fewer blocks, more realistic blocks, more controlled fastbreaks and FG percentages) then technical improvements and the same game in the centre. As i nmentinoed b4, i would love to se the current system kept exactly as is and put in as arcade mode, and a modified more realistic engine put in for simulation mode. This means that EA can cater for a much wider audience and everyone will ove the game. I dont think these chnages would take a huge amount of time to impliment for them, BUT i think the major issue is the franchise mode, and i think that EA really need to create a new simulation engine from scratch as opposed to little enhancements. since franchise mode came in llive 2001, i fail to see any huge changes in the stat simulation or features..i really think a new ratings and stats engine needs to be made. For the gameplay, they can probably just tone down the amount of fastbreaks / blocked shots / steals /FG%. I'm sure that wouldnt be too hard. Maybe they could use a slider which could have arcade on the left and simulation on right, and as u slide it more to the right, the speed, shotblocking and steals reduce toa more realistic level. If they can get al of these game-related features in the game, then by all means i would love to see any spare time put into designing some extra games such as 3 point, dunk contests. I think a rookie game would be easy to impliment ad it would basically work just like a second all-star game but only rookies would be allowed to participate. I think this would take practically no time for EA to inplement. At the very simplest they could create 2 teams of 15 rookies, totalling with the 30 rookies with the highest ratings. Otherwise they could have the 12 most productive rookies, and the 12 most productive 1 year stars and have a rookie vs sophomores game. that would probably be more complicated but im sure it wouldnt be hard. Maybe the 3 or so days coudl jsut be all star weekend, and when u get there it can just coem up "would you like to participate in all star weekend? Yes/no" and u just clock no to keep simulating, and yes to go to a seperate schedule with all star game, rookie game, dunk comp, 3 pt comp, etc. maybe even a 2 on 2 game to be similar to 2-ball, and the 2 best rated players of each team could be put in, or the 2 players with the highest FG and shooting range ratings. Once completed it could say "All star weekend completed, would you like to return to the regular season?" then u choose no to stay and look at stats, dunk contest winners, etc, or yes to go back to the regular season schedule. This all may take alot of time, and if they cant do it all for next years game i think they should work on the gamplay fixes as first priority, and add these features next year. Quite honestly, the only reason why 2k3 and inside drive sold on consoles was because they had a better realism factor and better franchise / simulation engines then live, so i think this would suggest that gettign these areas up to the standard of the competition would make the majority of gamers extremely happy and probably sell more games, while including little extra games probably wont change the decisions of gamers who bought the other games. They will still go there for a better sim / better realism. By workign on gameplay primarily EA can get every gamer happy, and that way still have soemthing new to add for 2004 when it comes along. I can all but guarantee it will sel lmore games for them, and while people would probably be happy to wait an extra year for these little extrta features, they probably wont be hapy to wait 2 years for EA to improve the game itself.

[Andrew]

Although I've been grumbling to myself about the speed of the game, I would not call NBA Live 2003 terrible and with a bit of tweaking, will make for a good game come NBA Live 2004. Because it's really only tweaking that needs to be done, perhaps we will see the expansion of game modes and the additions of new ones.

I wouldent mind adding a street mode as well where you can go 3 on 3 nba jam style !

Have you played NBA Street? It's today's NBA Jam, only better IMHO, I'd certainly recommend it in addition to the NBA Live series. An arcade-style basketball game is always a nice game to have in your collection when you grow tired of, or don't have the time for, a basketball sim.

[D1X1NG]

of course I played nba street! and loved it!!!!
but thats the problem with all the basketball games! they ARE FOR THE CONSOLES
I want street style for pc too!
even a small one!

[Andrew]

That's why I invested in a PS2. But I agree, it would be great if more of those games could make their way to the PC.

[crimxon_stallion]

Although I've been grumbling to myself about the speed of the game, I would not call NBA Live 2003 terrible and with a bit of tweaking, will make for a good game come NBA Live 2004. Because it's really only tweaking that needs to be done, perhaps we will see the expansion of game modes and the additions of new ones.

True, but as i said, the gameplay tweaks will probably be the easiest parts. The franchise mode really does need a complete overhaul. The simulation engine, ratings systems and franchise mode in general need so many little changes that it would probably be easier and less time consuming to jsut scrap it and design it from ground up. I spend my of my live time in franchise mode, and if it was improved live would be the best. honestly, at the moment its only barely adequate and there are alot of little faults that are very annoying. if u have a backup point guard with a rating or 83 or so he should play more then 9 minutes a game .. little thigns such as this.

[Andrew]

I agree. So long as gameplay is tweaked, improvements to Franchise mode would be most welcome - the simulation engine and everything. As only tweaks need to be made to the gameplay, I'm fairly optimistic about further improvements to both gameplay and simulation in future Lives.

[flixotide]

If the dunk contest or 3 pt contest is added again, I want the free-throw contest added... It is just as silly!

While dunking is fun to watch, it is ruining the NBA players.. more and more euorpeans go to the states, because all the kids over there forget their basket fundamentals because they keep working on dunks.

Dunking contest, I think not!