Wed Jul 16, 2025 8:03 am
Wed Jul 16, 2025 10:29 pm
- Reported issues include FPS drops, input latency, and longer loading times.
- Sports games demand frame-perfect responsiveness. DRM-induced delays undermine the core gameplay itself.
Even offline play is affected—Denuvo restricts access after server shutdown, potentially locking users out of rosters and content they legally purchased.
It Harms Legal Modding and Community Creativity
It Damages Brand Perception and Commercial Trust
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- Sends the message that paying customers are not trusted,
- Results in negative Steam reviews and community backlash (documented review bombing),
- Fails to stop piracy long-term but punishes loyal players immediately.
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Denuvo Doesn’t Stop Piracy—It Only Delays It
- Denuvo’s protection is often cracked within 1 to 3 months.
- But 90% of sales for annual sports titles occur within the launch window.
- So what does Denuvo achieve?
- Temporary delay for pirates.
- Permanent restriction for legitimate users.
Thu Jul 17, 2025 1:44 am
vetmin wrote:Even though this is ChatGPT generated, I'll reply, since I'm assuming the underlying points were actually (mostly) your own.
While obviously Denuvo sucks and all, I don't think you've made a good argument for why 2K themselves shouldn't want to use it.- Reported issues include FPS drops, input latency, and longer loading times.
- Sports games demand frame-perfect responsiveness. DRM-induced delays undermine the core gameplay itself.
This is NBA 2K we're talking about. When has online responsiveness ever been a priority for them? They've had awful servers for years and it hasn't hurt the series.Even offline play is affected—Denuvo restricts access after server shutdown, potentially locking users out of rosters and content they legally purchased.
As long as Denuvo is legal, why should 2K care about this? This is only a good thing for 2K. More reason for you to buy the latest game instead of hanging back on an old one.It Harms Legal Modding and Community Creativity
2K has been way more anti-modding than pro-modding. They added native mod support at the same time they added Denuvo, but that was obviously just intended to weaken the community's will to produce its own modding framework, while allowing a narrow spectrum of mods that make their game look better than it really does (useful social media propaganda).It Damages Brand Perception and Commercial Trust
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- Sends the message that paying customers are not trusted,
Clearly this isn't that damaging of a message given how ubiquitous DRM technology is.- Results in negative Steam reviews and community backlash (documented review bombing),
This feels like ChatGPT getting mixed up. NBA 2K24 was review-bombed on Steam because it was still the old-gen version, not because it used Denuvo. 'Backlash' against Denuvo has essentially been limited to the modding community, which 2K doesn't care about (if it doesn't actively see us as a nuisance).- Fails to stop piracy long-term but punishes loyal players immediately.
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Denuvo Doesn’t Stop Piracy—It Only Delays It
- Denuvo’s protection is often cracked within 1 to 3 months.
- But 90% of sales for annual sports titles occur within the launch window.
- So what does Denuvo achieve?
- Temporary delay for pirates.
- Permanent restriction for legitimate users.
I'm sorry but where are the cracked versions of NBA 2K24 and 2K25 again... (i.e., the two NBA 2Ks with Denuvo)? Oh yeah, they don't exist, because those games use Denuvo. (There is a sort of quasi-'crack' of NBA 2K25 that I won't elaborate on given the rules of this forum, but it's so tedious and offers so little advantage that it's totally non-threatening and may as well not exist.)
Denuvo games are notoriously difficult to crack.
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So, in sum, 2K has every reason to continue using Denuvo, and I expect it to.
Fri Jul 18, 2025 2:18 am
Fri Jul 18, 2025 2:42 am
dshay7 wrote:Right now, my 2K25 won't even load the online version because of this stupid anti-cheat software. I can only play the offline version, which is not that big a deal since I only play the MyEras mode, but still....very annoying.
Mon Jul 21, 2025 9:29 pm
Skysect wrote:
That’s actually incorrect. However, it would become true if the Denuvo activation servers ever went offline, because then the game would be completely inaccessible.
So, while some statements are technically wrong right now, they could become true under certain circumstances. Overall though, most of the text is accurate.
And regarding this line: ''Denuvo’s protection is often cracked within 1 to 3 months.''
That was meant as a general observation about Denuvo-protected games, not about NBA specifically.
Tue Jul 22, 2025 1:46 am
Tue Jul 22, 2025 3:52 am
vetmin wrote:As long as Denuvo is legal, why should 2K care about this? This is only a good thing for 2K. More reason for you to buy the latest game instead of hanging back on an old one.
Wed Jul 23, 2025 4:22 am
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Sun Jul 27, 2025 6:47 pm
RayRay_953 wrote:I'm not going to comment on Denuvo's use for anti-piracy since that's obvious, but if the offline restrictions for custom rosters and the game itself are true, that's where I have a problem (can somebody confirm if this is true or not for 2K25?)vetmin wrote:As long as Denuvo is legal, why should 2K care about this? This is only a good thing for 2K. More reason for you to buy the latest game instead of hanging back on an old one.
Vetmin, I respect the work you've put to your mods and your contributions to the community, but this is not a good business practice to defend (I know you're speaking in the perspective of 2K, but still). It's one thing to justify Denuvo for anti-piracy protection, but the potential risk of being unable to access the game is a genuine concern that has the right to be expressed. This shows a great example of how the gaming industry is turning to having games being a limited time luxury, and then meant to be disposed of when support ends. When growing up, I always got to keep the games I purchased and while I may no longer have online access, I can still play the game whenever I want. Preservation is important. If somebody wanted to stick with a newer NBA 2K game after 25's servers shut down, they should not have to be forced to pick up the next game. There's a reason Stop Killing Games reached over 1 million signatures, as people are pointing out that AAA titles are taking a live service approach where certain games are completely inaccessible once their online servers are shut down.
Skysect wrote:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1588010/PGA_TOUR_2K23/
Strangely enough, Denuvo was removed from this today. Maybe they’re finally doing what I’ve been suggesting. Let’s see if NBA 2K24 is next.
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