The State Of Modding

I want to give my 2 cents on this without further reply to anyone.
I belive as a forum member I can bring my opinion and I'm not insulting anyone with it!

I really appreciate modding improvements we got this and previous years. My highest appreciation to anyone who's contributing and dedicating his time in order to improve what we all consider a hobby, and some of us here even more than that and their contribution is beyond regular

However, what I don't like and what I remember is that we're constantly loosing modders and projects from here, leaving this forum cos they are offended by others... I can't forgot SeanBarkley and his Kicksology, one massive project we all enjoying really much, and it's just an example... I don't know the reasons why Shuaj' withdrew his latest work on prospects, but I'm sure he didn't do that cos he changed his mind!

If everybody talks about community here, and I do consider this forum as a great place to be a part of, than let's act like a community - supporting each other on every single try, project! Respect others dedication and time to contribute to all of us. Someone will do more than others, skill levels are different, If you think it's not looking good enough for you pass it but support it with one post, try to help if you're skilled or just say a nice word and give a boost to those who are trying.

I'm not a dumb-ass kid, I'm a dumb-ass man with 30yo, so I belive I know what I'm talking about. And while I wrote this I got PM from Shuaj' confirming all my doubts that made me write this...
Thanks for your attention!

Yes, but the community doesn't have to always be a safe space with happy thoughts. If all we did was just compliment and never critique there would be no progress. I think of guys like MonkeyMan where his first Shake Milton cyberface was rough around the edges. He got feedback from the forum and went through like 4 versions of it and by the time he was done, he had an amazing face. He used that new knowledge to create some of the best prospect faces. Mrk326 is the same way, its the grinding and getting feedback that keeps people improving. Seanbarkley left over a dispute about paid mods. Hell I donated to him because his content was great, but the process of putting content behind a paywall still broke rules.

R4zoR showed me so many techniques that I recorded that I still go back to. I realize I'm not talented and if somebody says "hey i think this could be improved" I give it a shot. People shouldn't hear feedback and bounce. Part of modding is getting a strong backbone and taking your ego out of the work.

All this sounds good to me, but I still didn't saw anyone shooting a fire when their work is critiqued, also after Sean there are still many others using paywalls before links and I never saw they were gone for broken rules.

Show me a case where one member critigued another with good, constructive critique and that other backfired or quited, I'll be waiting.

Critique is one thing, but we have a few here who raised over their realistic value and position, backing others to give their efforts without ever knowing how much those efforts are actually good or not and how much appreciated it could be by others, and that's exactly what I don't like at all...

I want to give my 2 cents on this without further reply to anyone.
I belive as a forum member I can bring my opinion and I'm not insulting anyone with it!

I really appreciate modding improvements we got this and previous years. My highest appreciation to anyone who's contributing and dedicating his time in order to improve what we all consider a hobby, and some of us here even more than that and their contribution is beyond regular

However, what I don't like and what I remember is that we're constantly loosing modders and projects from here, leaving this forum cos they are offended by others... I can't forgot SeanBarkley and his Kicksology, one massive project we all enjoying really much, and it's just an example... I don't know the reasons why Shuaj' withdrew his latest work on prospects, but I'm sure he didn't do that cos he changed his mind!

If everybody talks about community here, and I do consider this forum as a great place to be a part of, than let's act like a community - supporting each other on every single try, project! Respect others dedication and time to contribute to all of us. Someone will do more than others, skill levels are different, If you think it's not looking good enough for you pass it but support it with one post, try to help if you're skilled or just say a nice word and give a boost to those who are trying.

I'm not a dumb-ass kid, I'm a dumb-ass man with 30yo, so I belive I know what I'm talking about. And while I wrote this I got PM from Shuaj' confirming all my doubts that made me write this...
Thanks for your attention!

Yes, but the community doesn't have to always be a safe space with happy thoughts. If all we did was just compliment and never critique there would be no progress. I think of guys like MonkeyMan where his first Shake Milton cyberface was rough around the edges. He got feedback from the forum and went through like 4 versions of it and by the time he was done, he had an amazing face. He used that new knowledge to create some of the best prospect faces. Mrk326 is the same way, its the grinding and getting feedback that keeps people improving. Seanbarkley left over a dispute about paid mods. Hell I donated to him because his content was great, but the process of putting content behind a paywall still broke rules.

R4zoR showed me so many techniques that I recorded that I still go back to. I realize I'm not talented and if somebody says "hey i think this could be improved" I give it a shot. People shouldn't hear feedback and bounce. Part of modding is getting a strong backbone and taking your ego out of the work.

All this sounds good to me, but I still didn't saw anyone shooting a fire when their work is critiqued, also after Sean there are still many others using paywalls before links and I never saw they were gone for broken rules.

Show me a case where one member critigued another with good, constructive critique and that other backfired or quited, I'll be waiting.

Critique is one thing, but we have a few here who raised over their realistic value and position, backing others to give their efforts without ever knowing how much those efforts are actually good or not and how much appreciated it could be by others, and that's exactly what I don't like at all...

Individuals respond differently, that shouldn't mean we have to temper our critique as not to hurt egos and risk people leaving. The creators who are here to make content take the feedback and improve. The creators that are here to make a name, take the feedback and bounce. I don't know how you characterize "good critique" that seems subjective.

Also there is a difference between ad-links before content and having a separate tier of content for people that pay you. Not my policy, but that's the way the forum works.

I want to give my 2 cents on this without further reply to anyone.
I belive as a forum member I can bring my opinion and I'm not insulting anyone with it!

I really appreciate modding improvements we got this and previous years. My highest appreciation to anyone who's contributing and dedicating his time in order to improve what we all consider a hobby, and some of us here even more than that and their contribution is beyond regular

However, what I don't like and what I remember is that we're constantly loosing modders and projects from here, leaving this forum cos they are offended by others... I can't forgot SeanBarkley and his Kicksology, one massive project we all enjoying really much, and it's just an example... I don't know the reasons why Shuaj' withdrew his latest work on prospects, but I'm sure he didn't do that cos he changed his mind!

If everybody talks about community here, and I do consider this forum as a great place to be a part of, than let's act like a community - supporting each other on every single try, project! Respect others dedication and time to contribute to all of us. Someone will do more than others, skill levels are different, If you think it's not looking good enough for you pass it but support it with one post, try to help if you're skilled or just say a nice word and give a boost to those who are trying.

I'm not a dumb-ass kid, I'm a dumb-ass man with 30yo, so I belive I know what I'm talking about. And while I wrote this I got PM from Shuaj' confirming all my doubts that made me write this...
Thanks for your attention!

Yes, but the community doesn't have to always be a safe space with happy thoughts. If all we did was just compliment and never critique there would be no progress. I think of guys like MonkeyMan where his first Shake Milton cyberface was rough around the edges. He got feedback from the forum and went through like 4 versions of it and by the time he was done, he had an amazing face. He used that new knowledge to create some of the best prospect faces. Mrk326 is the same way, its the grinding and getting feedback that keeps people improving. Seanbarkley left over a dispute about paid mods. Hell I donated to him because his content was great, but the process of putting content behind a paywall still broke rules.

R4zoR showed me so many techniques that I recorded that I still go back to. I realize I'm not talented and if somebody says "hey i think this could be improved" I give it a shot. People shouldn't hear feedback and bounce. Part of modding is getting a strong backbone and taking your ego out of the work.

For sure! I agree. We should take our egos out and therefor shouldn't have a problem when someone else releases something we are working on.

I have no problem with him doing a draft class. More prospect faces makes my life easier. I just want to see it done right because previous years has been lots of promise but not much follow through.

If you think I have ego about 2k, you're very mistaken. Just like you mentioned, I make these to use in my own MyLeague. I can pack up the thread and not lose sleep because my college buddies and I will still be drafting the 2k20 draft class in our yearly MyLeague. I don't have a YouTube I'm promoting, I don't have a twitter I'm pimping. I'm very happy with my job and don't need to get 2k's attention, I mod on the side.

Yeah i could be mistaken, but that's just what i got from your various comments and from what i heard from some other members, so it's not like i am imagining things... Nevermind tho, we're all strangers here and all of us could be wrong about anything but what you say about 2k tho, they in these forums? Shit, i gotta up my modding game lol
Jokes aside, i'm fairly new here, is someone here really modding to get 2k's attention or pimping their social media? I haven't seen that so far...

I want to give my 2 cents on this without further reply to anyone.
I belive as a forum member I can bring my opinion and I'm not insulting anyone with it!

I really appreciate modding improvements we got this and previous years. My highest appreciation to anyone who's contributing and dedicating his time in order to improve what we all consider a hobby, and some of us here even more than that and their contribution is beyond regular

However, what I don't like and what I remember is that we're constantly loosing modders and projects from here, leaving this forum cos they are offended by others... I can't forgot SeanBarkley and his Kicksology, one massive project we all enjoying really much, and it's just an example... I don't know the reasons why Shuaj' withdrew his latest work on prospects, but I'm sure he didn't do that cos he changed his mind!

If everybody talks about community here, and I do consider this forum as a great place to be a part of, than let's act like a community - supporting each other on every single try, project! Respect others dedication and time to contribute to all of us. Someone will do more than others, skill levels are different, If you think it's not looking good enough for you pass it but support it with one post, try to help if you're skilled or just say a nice word and give a boost to those who are trying.

I'm not a dumb-ass kid, I'm a dumb-ass man with 30yo, so I belive I know what I'm talking about. And while I wrote this I got PM from Shuaj' confirming all my doubts that made me write this...
Thanks for your attention!

Yes, but the community doesn't have to always be a safe space with happy thoughts. If all we did was just compliment and never critique there would be no progress. I think of guys like MonkeyMan where his first Shake Milton cyberface was rough around the edges. He got feedback from the forum and went through like 4 versions of it and by the time he was done, he had an amazing face. He used that new knowledge to create some of the best prospect faces. Mrk326 is the same way, its the grinding and getting feedback that keeps people improving. Seanbarkley left over a dispute about paid mods. Hell I donated to him because his content was great, but the process of putting content behind a paywall still broke rules.

R4zoR showed me so many techniques that I recorded that I still go back to. I realize I'm not talented and if somebody says "hey i think this could be improved" I give it a shot. People shouldn't hear feedback and bounce. Part of modding is getting a strong backbone and taking your ego out of the work.

For sure! I agree. We should take our egos out and therefor shouldn't have a problem when someone else releases something we are working on.

I have no problem with him doing a draft class. More prospect faces makes my life easier. I just want to see it done right because previous years has been lots of promise but not much follow through.

If you think I have ego about 2k, you're very mistaken. Just like you mentioned, I make these to use in my own MyLeague. I can pack up the thread and not lose sleep because my college buddies and I will still be drafting the 2k20 draft class in our yearly MyLeague. I don't have a YouTube I'm promoting, I don't have a twitter I'm pimping. I'm very happy with my job and don't need to get 2k's attention, I mod on the side.

Yeah i could be mistaken, but that's just what i got from your various comments and from what i heard from some other members, so it's not like i am imagining things... Nevermind tho, we're all strangers here and all of us could be wrong about anything but what you say about 2k tho, they in these forums? Shit, i gotta up my modding game lol
Jokes aside, i'm fairly new here, is someone here really modding to get 2k's attention or pimping their social media? I haven't seen that so far...

Nah I’m well aware people don’t like me on this forum and I’ve got way more enemies than allies. But I’m not really worried about it. I try to be forthright and have extended discussion and debate. Doesn’t make many friends.

I mean after R4zoR got picked up by 2k last year, I think people may have taken notice. Bios like “I will be the best modder” and people tweeting at 2k people when they make a mod. Or like if anyone related to the NBA shouts them out. Nothing wrong with that at all, just not my style. But yeah over the years a handful of people have jumped from the NLSC to the official 2k team.

I want to give my 2 cents on this without further reply to anyone.
I belive as a forum member I can bring my opinion and I'm not insulting anyone with it!

I really appreciate modding improvements we got this and previous years. My highest appreciation to anyone who's contributing and dedicating his time in order to improve what we all consider a hobby, and some of us here even more than that and their contribution is beyond regular

However, what I don't like and what I remember is that we're constantly loosing modders and projects from here, leaving this forum cos they are offended by others... I can't forgot SeanBarkley and his Kicksology, one massive project we all enjoying really much, and it's just an example... I don't know the reasons why Shuaj' withdrew his latest work on prospects, but I'm sure he didn't do that cos he changed his mind!

If everybody talks about community here, and I do consider this forum as a great place to be a part of, than let's act like a community - supporting each other on every single try, project! Respect others dedication and time to contribute to all of us. Someone will do more than others, skill levels are different, If you think it's not looking good enough for you pass it but support it with one post, try to help if you're skilled or just say a nice word and give a boost to those who are trying.

I'm not a dumb-ass kid, I'm a dumb-ass man with 30yo, so I belive I know what I'm talking about. And while I wrote this I got PM from Shuaj' confirming all my doubts that made me write this...
Thanks for your attention!

Yes, but the community doesn't have to always be a safe space with happy thoughts. If all we did was just compliment and never critique there would be no progress. I think of guys like MonkeyMan where his first Shake Milton cyberface was rough around the edges. He got feedback from the forum and went through like 4 versions of it and by the time he was done, he had an amazing face. He used that new knowledge to create some of the best prospect faces. Mrk326 is the same way, its the grinding and getting feedback that keeps people improving. Seanbarkley left over a dispute about paid mods. Hell I donated to him because his content was great, but the process of putting content behind a paywall still broke rules.

R4zoR showed me so many techniques that I recorded that I still go back to. I realize I'm not talented and if somebody says "hey i think this could be improved" I give it a shot. People shouldn't hear feedback and bounce. Part of modding is getting a strong backbone and taking your ego out of the work.

For sure! I agree. We should take our egos out and therefor shouldn't have a problem when someone else releases something we are working on.

I have no problem with him doing a draft class. More prospect faces makes my life easier. I just want to see it done right because previous years has been lots of promise but not much follow through.

If you think I have ego about 2k, you're very mistaken. Just like you mentioned, I make these to use in my own MyLeague. I can pack up the thread and not lose sleep because my college buddies and I will still be drafting the 2k20 draft class in our yearly MyLeague. I don't have a YouTube I'm promoting, I don't have a twitter I'm pimping. I'm very happy with my job and don't need to get 2k's attention, I mod on the side.

Yeah i could be mistaken, but that's just what i got from your various comments and from what i heard from some other members, so it's not like i am imagining things... Nevermind tho, we're all strangers here and all of us could be wrong about anything but what you say about 2k tho, they in these forums? Shit, i gotta up my modding game lol
Jokes aside, i'm fairly new here, is someone here really modding to get 2k's attention or pimping their social media? I haven't seen that so far...

Nah I’m well aware people don’t like me on this forum and I’ve got way more enemies than allies. But I’m not really worried about it. I try to be forthright and have extended discussion and debate. Doesn’t make many friends.

I mean after R4zoR got picked up by 2k last year, I think people may have taken notice. Bios like “I will be the best modder” and people tweeting at 2k people when they make a mod. Or like if anyone related to the NBA shouts them out. Nothing wrong with that at all, just not my style. But yeah over the years a handful of people have jumped from the NLSC to the official 2k team.

Damn, that's actually really cool, props to 2k. Not my thing either, i also do this for myself and just figured i'd share it with the guys here, and i'm not nearly skilled enough to be picked up by anyone but i can see how the prospect of that might be appealing to many modders. On another note, with 2k picking up modders, how come we still can't get a single correct body model year after year lol what are these modders even doing there?

May I ask what is now possible that maybe wasn't a few years ago?

These people might haven't seen mid-2000's NLSC. Anyway, there really is a great atmosphere in this section this year.

Yeah you guys are the OG's so I'm sure yall have seen or have been able to do all these things prior. Looyh has the hook that does makes things available that weren't in the last 3 maybe years. There's a sync.bin explorer that allows you to pull anything from the sync.bin just by merely searching for it. We can now easily transfer players from past games into this game. Maybe you guys had all that stuff in prior days (mid 2000's) but we couldn't do them in recent years.

Considering 2K is not mod-friendly as NBA Live was, you may be right. Also, my bad, I failed to read what Q actually meant, I have a serious comprehension problem.

I was just curious because I honestly know nothing about 2k modding outside of the UBR mod they did for like 2k14.

I just wanted to know what you can do with the game or change it these days.

I miss making patches for NBA Live 98, 2001, 2005, and 06
Pretty sure I hit my creative peak when I made some 90s all star jerseys from scratch for 2005

Can't believe I didn't get on PC mods long time ago, especially when I seen those Left 4 Dead mods lol!!! Lots of crazy stuff here and not enough time to play with all of them.

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I just wanted to know what you can do with the game or change it these days.

I miss making patches for NBA Live 98, 2001, 2005, and 06
Pretty sure I hit my creative peak when I made some 90s all star jerseys from scratch for 2005[/quote]

You can edit coaches, teams, shoes, jerseys, arenas, dornas, accessories,accessory colors, unlock hidden shoes, create stadiums,
cyberfaces, make individual body type for each player, edit hidden player parameters, assign headbands to real players, easily convert faces from recent games to 2K20, play as female athletes, play WNBA, create female player cyberfaces, you can unlock the hidden female create a player options, unlock hidden menus, go thru the games debug menus, swap out environments for cutscenes, easily import and share player DNA that includes Cyber faces, modded courts, one texture courts, create outdoor courts, wear casual clothes or team jerseys for blacktop, assign individual presentation packages for individual teams, remove the nicknames from created players, use retired numbers,play as characters like spiderman and hulk, recreate any team from history, remove 3 pointers, you can copy rosters from your myleague or mycareer to use in play now, you can edit mycareer rosters, edit mygm rosters, edit sliders for any game mode, of course there are park mods, you can use mods in myleague online....

there is some stuff I probably forgot but that was some of the things I thought of. A lot of stuff wasn't figured out on the games after 2K14 until now. Each year there has been a lot of progress.

Preach

I just wanted to make a post just to speak on how great it is the way that the modding community is progressing. So much progress and strides have been made just alone from 2K19 to 2K20. Game modifying modders have created a bunch of incredible tools that have taken the game to a whole new level. Player modders have expanded their skills and are providing better and better player models every damn day. Jersey and floor/stadium modders are creating and improving item and making new designs. Modders have learned how to manipulate shoe/accessories sizes, shoe designs, shoe patterns, etc. But the best part is an influx of new members who have come in and have hit the ground running and have added to the overall quality of the modding community. Everyone is bouncing thoughts, ideas, advice, tutorials, etc off of one another and I believe its a great time for modding. Hey the NBA 2k modding community may not be perfect but it's pretty f*ckin aesome if you ask me. Thank you to everyone in the modding community no matter how great or how small. All of you guys rock!!!