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[BuckCity]

Of course we have overrated James Harden and Lebron. James Harden doesnt play defense and efficiency was less than 40% in the playoffs the last couple of years. Also, I didn't know there was so many current NBA players better than prime Clyde drexler. Shaking my head. Durant and Kawhi are the only ones that are better. Lebron cant shoot, doesnt play defense, ball in hand game is average, and post game is mediocre. Clyde was better at everything i just mentioned. I hate to say this but Madden has better ratings than 2k. They probably still have Hakeem Olajuwon listed at 7'0. When its obvious the dude is 6'10.

[Rosque]

Did dis dude just say Clyde better than LeBron?

[bluejaybrandon]

Did dis dude just say Clyde better than LeBron?

I’m hoping you’re both being sarcastic because prime Lebron was UNDOUBTEDLY the second best player behind Jordan. To say anything less is ignorant. Other players may have excelled beyond him in specific facets but for all around basketball player King James is second to only the GOAT.

BucksCity is either a troll or an old head because Lebron may not try on defense now, but you would’ve had to have lived under a rock during his Heat days to say that he wasn’t an excellent defender. For christ’s sake, the defining moment of his career is “The Block”. His post game was phenomenal even as recently as his last Cavs run. He dropped several cold blooded post fadeways in those playoffs. His ball handling for a 6’8” SF has been well above average. Hell, he has beena primary ball handler for the majority of his NBA career. He is most certainly the second best overall basketball player.

[bigh0rt]

Some of you guys still get all hung up on these OVR numbers. I really wish they'd just have the individual ratings with no visible Overall (even better, just a bar that fills with no visible number for each attribute, like a new iPhone battery life). It's smart business to do it as they do, though, as it always generates buzz and chatter just like it is here.

[Dee4Three]

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[bluejaybrandon]

First off.

Bluejay, you dont get to decide that LeBron is #2 all time by default. Think bout that for a second. I can make as many arguments or more for Bird, Magic, Kareem, etc. LeBron is NOT in my top 5, want to tell me I'm wrong because YOU SAID SO?

Second.

The "old head" take is complete and total BULLSHIT. Penalizing people for being older, most likely watching more basketball (sometimes DECADES more), because they have a different opinion than you or someone younger is one of the biggest BS takes of the 2010s. Get over yourself, and realize that being older doesnt automatically mean that someone is being biased or feeling nostalgic. Hey guys, I started watching the NBA during the 90-91 season, want to call me an old head and biased because I've watched more basketball than you? GTFOH!!!!!!!!!

Third.

People are so busy looking at the numbers and using that as a final say on where players land, that they forget or dont understand the BASKETBALL ASPECT OF THINGS. The competition, the rules, how players were guarded, players repertoires, how players impact the game for their teammates, who is better is what situations, who has more skill on offense and defense,who gets double teamed and when, who sets the tempo and controls the pace, etc.

Get your head out of the damn stat sheets and make your decisions based on what you SEE. Stats are a support for certain on court happenings, stats ARE NOT BASKETBALL.

Stop with the old head bullshit, stop with the "LeBron has to be placed here" bullshit, and lastly stop listening to the goddamn talking heads and the media in general who literally cater to the casual fanbase with hot takes and stances that are as simple as Tim Duncans game. The last part about the media is just something that has been on my nerves and I had to throw it in there.

Just know you’re incorrect. I’m going to disregard this because you said Lebron’s not in your top 5 so there really is no reason to have a discussion. You’re objectively wrong. Magic, Bird, Kareem, none put together the auditioned success in multiple facets that Lebron did. There’s a reason there’s even a debate between MJ and Lebron. Nobody debates Bird or Magic vs Jordan. It’s Jordan or Lebron.

In every non-statistic you mentioned Lebron would be higher than basically anyone. Regardless, sports is a statistical game. If it wasn’t than why would we keep them? “Celtics bested the Lakers tonight, Bird played hard and made good passes. Let’s look to Friday’s matchup against the Rockets. Should be a tough one, Hakeem and his teammates have an excellent repertoire.” Hell nah. Stats dominate the narrative. It’s what keeps guys out of awards races or the Hall of Fame.

I’m glad you were watching the 70’s on your tape delayed, black and white television set. But please don’t actually argue Lebron isn’t OBJECTIVELY top 5. Every actual basketball analyst who gets paid to follow the game would have him top 5. I don’t think your wrong, the entire basketball collective and all rational thinkers do. Then the old heads come in here acting like Clyde was better. Smh retire to your condo baby boomers.

[Dee4Three]

LeBron has a lot of holes and conversation around his "accomplishments" and his career, including playing in the East which struggled to win even 40% of the leagues games from 2010 to 2018, and in that same TERRIBLE EAST him having two all stars playing next to him for 7 of his 8 straight finals runs. He also wasnt even the best player ON HIS OWN TEAM in his prime his first year with the Heat. That was Wade's team.

His game itself has holes in it, including shooting under 40% from 3-10ft, 10-16ft, and 16-23ft for his playoff career. Literally not being consistently reliable in his career anywhere outside of 3ft. Having a weak back to the basket game his whole career, and not having hardly any GO TO moves outside of plowing through the lane in a 4 out league where its WIDE OPEN and very few rim protectors exist. MANY REASONS why someone wouldnt list him in the top 5 and could have arguments for other players.

Defensively he has been weak for a few years now, even at the end of his prime. He has holes in his defensive game as well.

Hey Bluejay, both Dirk and Durant didnt put LeBron in their all time starting 5, you going to tell they are wrong? I'd love to see you change your tune when one of them disagrees with you.

Dirk listed Magic, Jordan, Kobe, Duncan and Shaq. Durant listed Magic, Jordan, Kobe, Hakeem and Shaq.

You DONT GET TO DECIDE WHERE LEBRON LANDS in an all time five. Professional players and analysts DO NOT all have him as #2. YOU are not RIGHT by default. I could give you A LOT of reasons why LeBron isnt in my top 5, and who the fuck are you to tell me that I am wrong because YOU SAID SO? The media IS A CIRCUS. The debate shows are DESIGNED TO MARKET AND GET A RISE OUT OF PEOPLE. It's why these conversations were literally happening 9 years ago before he won ANYTHING.

GTFOH!!!!

[bluejaybrandon]

LeBron has a lot of holes and conversation around his "accomplishments" and his career, including playing in the East which struggled to win even 40% of the leagues games from 2010 to 2018, and in that same TERRIBLE EAST him having two all stars playing next to him for 7 of his 8 straight finals runs. He also wasnt even the best player ON HIS OWN TEAM in his prime his first year with the Heat. That was Wade's team.

His game itself has holes in it, including shooting under 40% from 3-10ft, 10-16ft, and 16-23ft for his playoff career. Literally not being consistently reliable in his career anywhere outside of 3ft. Having a weak back to the basket game his whole career, and not having hardly any GO TO moves outside of plowing through the lane in a 4 out league where its WIDE OPEN and very few rim protectors exist. MANY REASONS why someone wouldnt list him in the top 5 and could have arguments for other players.

Defensively he has been weak for a few years now, even at the end of his prime. He has holes in his defensive game as well.

Hey Bluejay, both Dirk and Durant didnt put LeBron in their all time starting 5, you going to tell they are wrong? I'd love to see you change your tune when one of them disagrees with you.

Dirk listed Magic, Jordan, Kobe, Duncan and Shaq. Durant listed Magic, Jordan, Kobe, Hakeem and Shaq.

You DONT GET TO DECIDE WHERE LEBRON LANDS in an all time five. Professional players and analysts DO NOT all have him as #2. YOU are not RIGHT by default. I could give you A LOT of reasons why LeBron isnt in my top 5, and who the fuck are you to tell me that I am wrong because YOU SAID SO? The media IS A CIRCUS. The debate shows are DESIGNED TO MARKET AND GET A RISE OUT OF PEOPLE. It's why these conversations were literally happening 9 years ago before he won ANYTHING.

GTFOH!!!!

All of those things about Lebron having holes, that’s your opinion. I think his game has no holes. Who are you to tell me my opinion is that he has holes in his game? See how much of a cop out that is? No you brought some stats, because stats are determinative. I appreciate that. I’ll do some research in how statistically Kareem, Magic, Bird and others has equally if not more pronounced flaws in their game and get back to you.

Why would I value the opinions of Dirk and Durant? They actively competed and currently compete against Lebron. What incentive do they have to put them in their top 5? Of course they’ll name a bunch of older players. Lebron is likely 2 but to say he’s not even top 5, that’s a losing argument. Anyways, he’s most certainly better than Clyde which is where this started.

[Dee4Three]

LeBron has a lot of holes and conversation around his "accomplishments" and his career, including playing in the East which struggled to win even 40% of the leagues games from 2010 to 2018, and in that same TERRIBLE EAST him having two all stars playing next to him for 7 of his 8 straight finals runs. He also wasnt even the best player ON HIS OWN TEAM in his prime his first year with the Heat. That was Wade's team.

His game itself has holes in it, including shooting under 40% from 3-10ft, 10-16ft, and 16-23ft for his playoff career. Literally not being consistently reliable in his career anywhere outside of 3ft. Having a weak back to the basket game his whole career, and not having hardly any GO TO moves outside of plowing through the lane in a 4 out league where its WIDE OPEN and very few rim protectors exist. MANY REASONS why someone wouldnt list him in the top 5 and could have arguments for other players.

Defensively he has been weak for a few years now, even at the end of his prime. He has holes in his defensive game as well.

Hey Bluejay, both Dirk and Durant didnt put LeBron in their all time starting 5, you going to tell they are wrong? I'd love to see you change your tune when one of them disagrees with you.

Dirk listed Magic, Jordan, Kobe, Duncan and Shaq. Durant listed Magic, Jordan, Kobe, Hakeem and Shaq.

You DONT GET TO DECIDE WHERE LEBRON LANDS in an all time five. Professional players and analysts DO NOT all have him as #2. YOU are not RIGHT by default. I could give you A LOT of reasons why LeBron isnt in my top 5, and who the fuck are you to tell me that I am wrong because YOU SAID SO? The media IS A CIRCUS. The debate shows are DESIGNED TO MARKET AND GET A RISE OUT OF PEOPLE. It's why these conversations were literally happening 9 years ago before he won ANYTHING.

GTFOH!!!!

All of those things about Lebron having holes, that’s your opinion. I think his game has no holes. Who are you to tell me my opinion is that he has holes in his game? See how much of a cop out that is? No you brought some stats, because stats are determinative. I appreciate that. I’ll do some research in how statistically Kareem, Magic, Bird and others has equally if not more pronounced flaws in their game and get back to you.

Why would I value the opinions of Dirk and Durant? They actively competed and currently compete against Lebron. What incentive do they have to put them in their top 5? Of course they’ll name a bunch of older players. Lebron is likely 2 but to say he’s not even top 5, that’s a losing argument. Anyways, he’s most certainly better than Clyde which is where this started.

Wow.....just wow.

Have a good day....

[Dee4Three]

Of course we have overrated James Harden and Lebron. James Harden doesnt play defense and efficiency was less than 40% in the playoffs the last couple of years. Also, I didn't know there was so many current NBA players better than prime Clyde drexler. Shaking my head. Durant and Kawhi are the only ones that are better. Lebron cant shoot, doesnt play defense, ball in hand game is average, and post game is mediocre. Clyde was better at everything i just mentioned. I hate to say this but Madden has better ratings than 2k. They probably still have Hakeem Olajuwon listed at 7'0. When its obvious the dude is 6'10.

Agreed. I wouldn't take Kawhi over the best Drexler, either.

Finally someone who knows more about basketball than what the media spews.

Cheers.

[bluejaybrandon]

Dee4Three, I know you pride yourself on retro rosters but you’re looking through rose colored glasses. If you would’ve said Lebron’s not top 3, maybe there’s an argument but not top 5? You do realize how hot of a take that is right? You do recognize the vast majority of the basketball collective agrees Lebron is top 5 at least? Durant included Kobe in his top 5 (#2), I wouldn’t lend his opinion a ton of credence. I know you know basketball but to say OVERALL Lebron is not a top 5 player is just hating on him for no reason. LeBron James is the only player in NBA history with 30,000 points, 8,000 assists and 8,000 rebounds. THAT is a well rounded overall game.

[Dee4Three]

Dee4Three, I know you pride yourself on retro rosters but you’re looking through rose colored glasses. If you would’ve said Lebron’s not top 3, maybe there’s an argument but not top 5? You do realize how hot of a take that is right? You do recognize the vast majority of the basketball collective agrees Lebron is top 5 at least? Durant included Kobe in his top 5 (#2), I wouldn’t lend his opinion a ton of credence. I know you know basketball but to say OVERALL Lebron is not a top 5 player is just hating on him for no reason. LeBron James is the only player in NBA history with 30,000 points, 8,000 assists and 8,000 rebounds. THAT is a well rounded overall game.

I
Am
Done
With
Your
Nonsense

This is OVER. Get a grip.

[bluejaybrandon]

Dee4Three, I know you pride yourself on retro rosters but you’re looking through rose colored glasses. If you would’ve said Lebron’s not top 3, maybe there’s an argument but not top 5? You do realize how hot of a take that is right? You do recognize the vast majority of the basketball collective agrees Lebron is top 5 at least? Durant included Kobe in his top 5 (#2), I wouldn’t lend his opinion a ton of credence. I know you know basketball but to say OVERALL Lebron is not a top 5 player is just hating on him for no reason. LeBron James is the only player in NBA history with 30,000 points, 8,000 assists and 8,000 rebounds. THAT is a well rounded overall game.

I
Am
Done
With
Your
Nonsense

This is OVER. Get a grip.

You
Are
Easily
Triggered

I wanted to continue the discussion like adults but I guess that’s beneath you. Very well.

[Dee4Three]

"Triggered"

"Old head"

This conversation was over as soon as I replied to your initial post. You are not capable of having further discussion, and I refuse to waste my time.

That's it.

[bluejaybrandon]

"Triggered"

"Old head"

This conversation was over as soon as I replied to your initial post. You are not capable of having further discussion, and I refuse to waste my time.

That's it.

“This conversation was over as soon as I replied”. My goodness you’re an entitled member here. I responded with actual points trying to see if you could rationalize your minority opinion and you retreated immediately and said there’s no discussion. Imagine if actual adults did this, we’d have no real world conversation. The “triggered” comment came after you solely declared the discussion as over so don’t use that as reasoning.

Lebron not being top 5 is a hot take and you’re acting like it’s not. You know who isn’t top 5 undoubtedly? Clyde Drexler...that’s how this started. Drexler over Lebron is creating controversy for the sake of controversy. That’s such a bad take, even Skip Bayless would be laughed out of the room. Clyde’s own mother wouldn’t dare make that claim. Take a look for yourselves.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/player ... _james.htm

[Dee4Three]

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[bluejaybrandon]

Compare Lebron’s stats to ANY other player. In points, assists, and rebounds combined, he will compete with anyone. He is 100% the second best player OVERALL and nobody you mentioned has as refined a game in every aspect.

You’re a walking contradiction. You say don’t trust stats, then you quote stats as to why a Lebron has holes. I used stats to differentiate Lebron as the only player with 30,000 points, 8,000 assists, and 8,000 rebounds. These are the three major measuring blocks in basketball. He has averaged more points and assists than Bird, more points and rebounds than Magic. There are objective ways to rank players, we can’t all go off your factious “feel for the game” measurement.

Cool, we get it you watched basketball in the 90s and you hate on Lebron. Just please don’t spread the ignorance here. Your retro rosters are good but it’s clear your basketball knowledge ends at the turn of the century. For you, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Hakeem, etc will be your Rushmore. But for the vast majority of the rational basketball fans, it’s Jordan, then Lebron.

Now it’s over because I declare it over and obviously that’s how internet battles work!

[Dee4Three]

Compare Lebron’s stats to ANY other player. In points, assists, and rebounds combined, he will compete with anyone. He is 100% the second best player OVERALL and nobody you mentioned has as refined a game in every aspect.

You’re a walking contradiction. Don’t trust stats, then you quote stats. I used stats to differentiate Lebron as the only player with 30,000 points, 8,000 assists, and 8,000 rebounds. These are the three major measuring blocks in basketball. He has averaged more points and assists than Bird, more points and rebounds than Magic. There are objective ways to rank players, we can’t all go off your factious “feel for the game” measurement.

Cool, we get it you watched basketball in the 90s and you hate on Lebron. Just please don’t spread the ignorance here. Your retro rosters are good but it’s clear your basketball knowledge ends at the turn of the century. For you, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Hakeem, etc will be your Rushmore. But your the vast majority of the rational basketball fans, it’s Jordan, then Lebron.

Now it’s over because I declare it over and obviously that’s how internet battles work!

Bluejay, stats dont make someone higher than another! I brought up stats that are also backed by visual evidence and I talked about the weaknesses in his game.

Quoting career totals doesnt put him above players for me, that doesn't define players careers. So much more to the game than stats. SOME of what we see shows up in stats, not even close to all.

I take several players over LeBron.

Several.

This is over. You are incapable of this discussion

[bluejaybrandon]

Lebron’s Career Vs...

Bird
https://www.landofbasketball.com/player ... _james.htm

Magic
https://www.landofbasketball.com/player ... ohnson.htm

Kareem
https://www.landofbasketball.com/player ... _james.htm


I might give you Kareem due to his gaudy scoring numbers. Let me know where the issues are with the objective statistics.

#LebronTop5

[bluejaybrandon]

Compare Lebron’s stats to ANY other player. In points, assists, and rebounds combined, he will compete with anyone. He is 100% the second best player OVERALL and nobody you mentioned has as refined a game in every aspect.

You’re a walking contradiction. Don’t trust stats, then you quote stats. I used stats to differentiate Lebron as the only player with 30,000 points, 8,000 assists, and 8,000 rebounds. These are the three major measuring blocks in basketball. He has averaged more points and assists than Bird, more points and rebounds than Magic. There are objective ways to rank players, we can’t all go off your factious “feel for the game” measurement.

Cool, we get it you watched basketball in the 90s and you hate on Lebron. Just please don’t spread the ignorance here. Your retro rosters are good but it’s clear your basketball knowledge ends at the turn of the century. For you, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Hakeem, etc will be your Rushmore. But your the vast majority of the rational basketball fans, it’s Jordan, then Lebron.

Now it’s over because I declare it over and obviously that’s how internet battles work!

Bluejay, stats dont make someone higher than another! I brought up stats that are also backed by visual evidence and I talked about the weaknesses in his game.

Quoting career totals doesnt put him above players for me, that doesn't define players careers. So much more to the game than stats. SOME of what we see shows up in stats, not even close to all.

I take several players over LeBron.

Several.

This is over. You are incapable of this discussion

I have TJ McConnell top 5 overall player. But that’s cool right? Because he’s a great teammate and has a great feel for the game. Plus we aren’t looking at objective things like statistics. Plus it’s my opinion so it can’t be wrong.

Do you see how irrational that is to not look at objective measurements? It’s impossible to have a discussion on top players if you dismiss objective factors like statistics.

Also quit saying “It’s over”. You sound like a teenage girl going through a dramatic breakup. If you don’t want to continue the discussion, don’t respond. It’s simple.

[Dee4Three]

Lebron’s Career Vs...

Bird
https://www.landofbasketball.com/player ... _james.htm

Magic
https://www.landofbasketball.com/player ... ohnson.htm

Kareem
https://www.landofbasketball.com/player ... _james.htm


I might give you Kareem due to his gaudy scoring numbers. Let me know where the issues are with the objective statistics.

#LebronTop5

Stats/accolades literally do not impact the final decision for me. Plenty of legends have great stats, averages etc. Hakeem, Bird, Kareem, Jordan, Magic, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, etc.

SO MANY different factors that dont include stats.

Sharing links with me that I have already seen does absolutely nothing. I have followed and researched basketball for 25+ years. If you think showing me stat comparisons is new to me, or will do something, you need to think again.

Once again, this really is over.

[Dee4Three]

Compare Lebron’s stats to ANY other player. In points, assists, and rebounds combined, he will compete with anyone. He is 100% the second best player OVERALL and nobody you mentioned has as refined a game in every aspect.

You’re a walking contradiction. Don’t trust stats, then you quote stats. I used stats to differentiate Lebron as the only player with 30,000 points, 8,000 assists, and 8,000 rebounds. These are the three major measuring blocks in basketball. He has averaged more points and assists than Bird, more points and rebounds than Magic. There are objective ways to rank players, we can’t all go off your factious “feel for the game” measurement.

Cool, we get it you watched basketball in the 90s and you hate on Lebron. Just please don’t spread the ignorance here. Your retro rosters are good but it’s clear your basketball knowledge ends at the turn of the century. For you, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Hakeem, etc will be your Rushmore. But your the vast majority of the rational basketball fans, it’s Jordan, then Lebron.

Now it’s over because I declare it over and obviously that’s how internet battles work!

Bluejay, stats dont make someone higher than another! I brought up stats that are also backed by visual evidence and I talked about the weaknesses in his game.

Quoting career totals doesnt put him above players for me, that doesn't define players careers. So much more to the game than stats. SOME of what we see shows up in stats, not even close to all.

I take several players over LeBron.

Several.

This is over. You are incapable of this discussion

I have TJ McConnell top 5 overall player. But that’s cool right? Because he’s a great teammate and has a great feel for the game. Plus we aren’t looking at objective things like statistics. Plus it’s my opinion so it can’t be wrong.

Do you see how irrational that is to not look at objective measurements? It’s impossible to have a discussion on top players if you dismiss objective factors like statistics.

Also quit saying “It’s over”. You sound like a teenage girl going through a dramatic breakup. If you don’t want to continue the discussion, don’t respond. It’s simple.

You literally don't get it. This comment is unbelievably disassociated and disconnected. It means nothing.

I'm saying its over because you have wasted my time, and I have to be up in 6 hours for work.

[bluejaybrandon]

Lebron’s Career Vs...

Bird
https://www.landofbasketball.com/player ... _james.htm

Magic
https://www.landofbasketball.com/player ... ohnson.htm

Kareem
https://www.landofbasketball.com/player ... _james.htm


I might give you Kareem due to his gaudy scoring numbers. Let me know where the issues are with the objective statistics.

#LebronTop5

Stats/accolades literally do not impact the final decision for me. Plenty of legends have great stats, averages etc. Hakeem, Bird, Kareem, Jordan, Magic, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, etc.

SO MANY different factors that dont include stats.

Sharing links with me that I have already seen does absolutely nothing. I have followed and researched basketball for 25+ years. If you think showing me stat comparisons is new to me, or will do something, you need to think again.

Once again, this really is over.

Ah I apologize. I didn’t realize you were a basketball savant. Please don’t tell me you have Malone and Barkley ahead of Lebron. I give you Magic, Bird, Jordan, Kareem but after that you’re running thin on players who are better overall basketball players. If you actually think Hakeem, Barkley, Drexler or others are ahead, please save us all the trouble and avoid discussing overalls. I mean, I can’t even fathom the mental gymnastics it takes to say there are several players before James.

It’s clear you’d be biased and irrational concerning older players which is fine. Old heads can be like this when there’s change. You’d hate on Lebron if he cured cancer. When statistics don’t matter, there really is no rationalizing with that. I’m saying objectively when comparing statistics he is top 5 all around and beats out others you have named. You want to talk subjectively about abstract aspects like how Charles Barkley fit in his shorts or how many Christmas cards Larry Bird sent his teammates. When you get into the abstract like that, you can find any reason to elevate players. But stats don’t lie and Lebron James stats equate to that of top 5. Cold, hard data.

Now I hereby declare this discussion as over because I feel that we can’t discuss this and therefore I win! Am I doing that right Dee?

[Dee4Three]

"It’s clear you’d be biased and irrational concerning older players which is fine. Old heads can be like this when there’s change. You’d hate on Lebron if he cured cancer. "

You are not capable of having this discussion.

[sticky-fingers]

Ah I apologize. I didn’t realize you were a basketball savant. Please don’t tell me you have Malone and Barkley ahead of Lebron. I give you Magic, Bird, Jordan, Kareem but after that you’re running thin on players who are better overall basketball players. If you actually think Hakeem, Barkley, Drexler or others are ahead, please save us all the trouble and avoid discussing overalls. I mean, I can’t even fathom the mental gymnastics it takes to say there are several players before James.

It’s clear you’d be biased and irrational concerning older players which is fine. Old heads can be like this when there’s change. You’d hate on Lebron if he cured cancer. When statistics don’t matter, there really is no rationalizing with that. I’m saying objectively when comparing statistics he is top 5 all around and beats out others you have named. You want to talk subjectively about abstract aspects like how Charles Barkley fit in his shorts or how many Christmas cards Larry Bird sent his teammates. When you get into the abstract like that, you can find any reason to elevate players. But stats don’t lie and Lebron James stats equate to that of top 5. Cold, hard data.

Now I hereby declare this discussion as over because I feel that we can’t discuss this and therefore I win! Am I doing that right Dee?

GOAT debate is ... a debate, so everyone has his opinion, none is the one and only one.
you wrote Prime LeBron is #2 undoubtly. Well, just an example, Prime Hakeem was better IMO, won 2 titles, the firt one as UNIQUE superstar in his team.
Player'stats are a part of the equation, but it says nothing without context : teammates, opponents, rules. And defense -50% of the game- is very difficult to measure by stats.