The defense is broken - VIDEO #3 WITH SLIDER TWEAKS!

I forgot to mention that i set game speed at 55

From the discussions I've seen and my own personal opinion, I'd go as for to say that most people would prefer this new way as opposed to getting sucked into BRICK WALLS OF CANNED ANIMATION that 2K has always been about.
At least now YOU HAVE A CHOICE, and YOU"RE in control, so you don't HAVE TO TURBO your way to the hoop every time..

If you find yourself blowing by your defender constantly, then yea sure they made it a bit easier, because previously it has not been realistic, but at the end of the day it's you pressing those buttons you have a choice of whether you want to play arcade or sim style.

Think about it for a second this is much better, because this you can actually fix with slider tweaks... but there has never been a slider for getting sucked into animations before

dee, what if you try boosting the cpu strength to 100 and testing that out, i remember doing that in one of the older versions of 2k where it was easy to get around the defender and it made a difference. i have strength set at 85 for user and cpu right now and i can get by the defender at times, but not every drive. could be worth a shot if you haven't tried it already.

From the discussions I've seen and my own personal opinion, I'd go as for to say that most people would prefer this new way as opposed to getting sucked into BRICK WALLS OF CANNED ANIMATION that 2K has always been about.
At least now YOU HAVE A CHOICE, and YOU"RE in control, so you don't HAVE TO TURBO your way to the hoop every time..

If you find yourself blowing by your defender constantly, then yea sure they made it a bit easier, because previously it has not been realistic, but at the end of the day it's you pressing those buttons you have a choice of whether you want to play arcade or sim style.

Think about it for a second this is much better, because this you can actually fix with slider tweaks... but there has never been a slider for getting sucked into animations before

I completely disagree with your post.

You can get by in NBA 2K17 in a similar fashion as 18, it just doesn't happen as often. Most of the time, you have to work for it, which is the best part. I have to chain together the right moves in 2K17 to get by, or catch them off guard with a first step right off the catch.

In 2K18, I havn't been able to fix it with sliders, I can literally just run around or through my defender without doing any moves. It's silly.

So, I strongly disagree with you.

dee, what if you try boosting the cpu strength to 100 and testing that out, i remember doing that in one of the older versions of 2k where it was easy to get around the defender and it made a difference. i have strength set at 85 for user and cpu right now and i can get by the defender at times, but not every drive. could be worth a shot if you haven't tried it already.

I did try that, after Carolus mentioned that he tried it and it didn't work. I can still get by my defender with ease.

Also Sticky-Fingers, I'm sorry I havn't tried your sliders yet. I've been working on Reggie Miller's face shape for hours lol.

Well look the real problem all boils down to this, the AI in 2K unfortunately is limited by the engine which is based on basic calculations instead of physics, because instead of reacting to your physical movements it is basically cheating because it's reading your controller input and then countering, (I used to have clear videos on YouTube of this years ago when I was into 2K, where the AI defenders would react and move in literal unison left or right along with my player as if I was eerily controlling them both with my sticks) and that's where the engine computations go really wrong because then the CPU is like "which animation should I trap this guy in" I don't think the technology is here yet to have a sports game based on real physics, or maybe it is and they just don't want to invest in it.

And we can agree to disagree sure, but consider the fact that one of the biggest complaints for years about 2K has been smaller quicker players not being able to get by bigger slower players whether that's in half court, but it was especially frustrating in the open floor when you have a speedy guard trying to push the pace only to get sucked into an animation with a guy you should have left in the dust.
At the end of the day though with 2K18 at least you have a choice in the matter, so now if you are controlling Westbrook and you have a big in front of you, you are free to take advantage of the mismatch as it would be in real life, or you can abuse it and complain about how easy it was.
I personally would rather have it be possible and easy where I'm in full control, as opposed to almost impossible, unrealistic and mostly out of my control.

But nothing feels better than playing a VS game against your friend though,when they guard you they react to your moves as it would happen in real life so you can really fake them out good, the game just comes alive

Also Sticky-Fingers, I'm sorry I havn't tried your sliders yet. I've been working on Reggie Miller's face shape for hours lol.

I think You're afraid to love this game

Also Sticky-Fingers, I'm sorry I havn't tried your sliders yet. I've been working on Reggie Miller's face shape for hours lol.

I think You're afraid to love this game

No.. I like your sense of humor here, but no. I don't really like this game at all.

Well look the real problem all boils down to this, the AI in 2K unfortunately is limited by the engine which is based on basic calculations instead of physics, because instead of reacting to your physical movements it is basically cheating because it's reading your controller input and then countering, (I used to have clear videos on YouTube of this years ago when I was into 2K, where the AI defenders would react and move in literal unison left or right along with my player as if I was eerily controlling them both with my sticks) and that's where the engine computations go really wrong because then the CPU is like "which animation should I trap this guy in" I don't think the technology is here yet to have a sports game based on real physics, or maybe it is and they just don't want to invest in it.

And we can agree to disagree sure, but consider the fact that one of the biggest complaints for years about 2K has been smaller quicker players not being able to get by bigger slower players whether that's in half court, but it was especially frustrating in the open floor when you have a speedy guard trying to push the pace only to get sucked into an animation with a guy you should have left in the dust.
At the end of the day though with 2K18 at least you have a choice in the matter, so now if you are controlling Westbrook and you have a big in front of you, you are free to take advantage of the mismatch as it would be in real life, or you can abuse it and complain about how easy it was.
I personally would rather have it be possible and easy where I'm in full control, as opposed to almost impossible, unrealistic and mostly out of my control.

But nothing feels better than playing a VS game against your friend though,when they guard you they react to your moves as it would happen in real life so you can really fake them out good, the game just comes alive

Well its all true, but we are talking about Hayward leaving Klay Thompson(top 3 defender) behind everytime he wants to. I dont understand why so many users trying to say that there is no problem with defense. Its HUGE BUG.

man, I swear the ai smothers me 24/7 no matter the player. I punish them inside and they don't adjust, keep smothering so I keep driving and dunking. gettin pretty dull I feel u dee.

Well its all true, but we are talking about Hayward leaving Klay Thompson(top 3 defender) behind everytime he wants to. I dont understand why so many users trying to say that there is no problem with defense. Its HUGE BUG.

Is there a problem yes.
But on previous 2K you couldn't drive with Lebron on anyone... was it better ? not really...

So is it a huge bug ? it depends your expectations. Imo, not really, especially since it can be fixed by sliders.

Well its all true, but we are talking about Hayward leaving Klay Thompson(top 3 defender) behind everytime he wants to. I dont understand why so many users trying to say that there is no problem with defense. Its HUGE BUG.

Is there a problem yes.
But on previous 2K you couldn't drive with Lebron on anyone... was it better ? not really...

So is it a huge bug ? it depends your expectations. Imo, not really, especially since it can be fixed by sliders.

You cant drive with lbj in 2k17? 2k16? With fakes? Are you sure?
Well if it can be fixed by sliders, i have no idea why so many users cant fix it. I thought Dee checked sliders already and it wasnt helpful.

The way LeBron drives in real life ? No you can't on previous 2K because of an invisble defense wall. You can't even drive on a slow center with an alien PG.
Or MJ vs Kerr ; i try again on 2K17 yesterday, no way to do that https://youtu.be/zveLtpgQ49Q?t=34s

I post sliders upper on this thread. it seems that Dee hasn't try them yet.

The way LeBron drives in real life ? No you can't on previous 2K because of an invisble defense wall. You can't even drive on a slow center with an alien PG.
Or MJ vs Kerr ; i try again on 2K17 yesterday, no way to do that https://youtu.be/zveLtpgQ49Q?t=34s

I post sliders upper on this thread. it seems that Dee hasn't try them yet.

Ill try them tomorrow.

And I can get by people and get them on my side on 2K17, it just takes more work.

Well its all true, but we are talking about Hayward leaving Klay Thompson(top 3 defender) behind everytime he wants to. I dont understand why so many users trying to say that there is no problem with defense. Its HUGE BUG.

Is there a problem yes.
But on previous 2K you couldn't drive with Lebron on anyone... was it better ? not really...

So is it a huge bug ? it depends your expectations. Imo, not really, especially since it can be fixed by sliders.

I want to make something super clear, which I feel like I have in my prior posts.

I would rather work for it, and chain moves together to get by my guy, or time my first step right off the catch, than just have it given to me on most every possession by just running by my defender. In 2K18, it doesn't matter who the defender is (As Sko pointed out). I could be using Mullin on Leonard, Smart on Klay, anybody on most anybody, and I have the same ability to get around them. It's also how I feel on offense sometimes, where I feel like most every player blends in together. The guards blend in together, the big guys do, no discerning of players really. Meaning, I feel like I can use Lenny Wilkens like Westbrook, or Rozier like Rondo. It's the way the game feels, and that is not authentic or fun for me at all. I would rather have a defense that bumps you a little more, instead of a defense I can just run through and around.

In regards to sliders, I will try yours tomorrow, and if time permits post a video of my findings. As stated prior, I can feel my move in 2K17, I can feel like I'm using a superstar, I can feel the difference between players. And, just like on many of my videos that I post, If I have a mismatch with a slower big guy in 2K17, I absolutely can exploit him with a pullup or getting around him with my speed. However, it's not as easy as just running by him, I have to chain moves together sometimes, or time my first step just right.

This may not be considered a "bug", but it's a mechanical gameplay flaw that needs to be addressed in my opinion. I do not enjoy 2K18 for what it is right now, that's the bottom line.

In both case, it's what you called a break.
Because, i cant accept that a any slow PG could pass G.Payton in 2K18.
But also I cant accept that a faster and/or more powerfull player can be stopped by any player in 2K17. And you just can't do that in 2K17 vs CPU in HoF : https://youtu.be/WgQ7L-EI-cU?t=1m52s (have a look a this 20 seconds, till 2'12) or that https://youtu.be/EIIOnV3pkIE?t=58s or that https://youtu.be/37GlwXCgi7Q?t=15s etc... that's why i always asked for a better (but no toooo better) first step in 2K in my wishlists

Last edited by sticky-fingers on Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:17 am, edited 1 time in total.

First off, how amazing was Jordan? jesus.... what a gem. I've seen thousands of Jordan highlights and it never gets old.

In 2k17 it isn't always a brick wall, you do get the guy on your side and he rides you to the hoop, it just happens far less often. Those steps Jordan displays in that video, can happen with almost any 1-3 position in 2K18, and many many 4's. Also, don't show me Jordan as an example, he's the biggest legend in the sport. The stuff Jordan does quickness wise on that video, I feel I can do with Klay Thompson or Marcus Smart in NBA 2K18, and was doing with Chris Mullin (Yes, with his quickness on Kawhi).

I called the defense broken, I didn't say it was a break. Two completely different things. A break would mean it happens sometimes, it breaks sometimes. Broken means the system itself is broken, and it happens whenever I play the game.

I took Jordan because it's the best example of this invisible wall in 2K17 (and previous 2K) : you simply can't do that with him against a slow and powerless "take any position you want" player.

I took Jordan because it's the best example of this invisible wall in 2K17 (and previous 2K) : you simply can't do that with him against a slow and powerless "take any position you want" player.

I can get by my guy a lot with Jordan in 2K17, I feel like I'm using a special player, a superstar on 2K17.

man, I swear the ai smothers me 24/7 no matter the player. I punish them inside and they don't adjust, keep smothering so I keep driving and dunking. gettin pretty dull I feel u dee.

It's no fun when you can just run by your guy and help seldom comes, it makes it so easy. That's not realistic or fun basketball.

I took Jordan because it's the best example of this invisible wall in 2K17 (and previous 2K) : you simply can't do that with him against a slow and powerless "take any position you want" player.

You took Jordan just to prove your theory and yes you can take lbj, kobe and tbh only few others....and? We are talking about all other average or real bad players versus best defenders in the league.
That part of defense is broken, its a fact.

I took Jordan because it's the best example of this invisible wall in 2K17 (and previous 2K) : you simply can't do that with him against a slow and powerless "take any position you want" player.

You took Jordan just to prove your theory and yes you can take lbj, kobe and tbh only few others....and? We are talking about all other average or real bad players versus best defenders in the league.
That part of defense is broken, its a fact.

Exactly. Me getting to the hoop with Marcus Smart whenever I want, against whoever I want, really ruins the experience.

Oh wait, so you are telling me that If I have 10 seconds on the clock at the end of the game, I could have my second unit in and use most any 1-3 player and get to the rim? what a dream! Why not just rest my best players down the stretch, because my other guys can get by the perimeter defense with ease anyway.

That is what I am talking about, just like in that video where im not doing any moves at all and just running towards the hoop and help never comes or when it does it's a foul, I could do that at any point in the game for the most part.

I'll take the game where I have to put more work in and it feels good to get by my guy.

We are talking about all other average or real bad players versus best defenders in the league.

We're talking about the entire gameplay... 2K18 too easy drive, and previous 2K nearly impossible to drive even with aliens Jordan, LBJ, Kobe.
You can have your preference for old 2K but both are unrealistic without sliders modifications, it's also a fact...
So with custom sliders, i'm totally satisfied about 2K18, i mostly can't drive with a slow or/and bad handler while i can drive with the guys who should.

I just saw your comment under Dee movie, first off all it looks like you dont like 2k18 defense also but then i read your description of every play we see on movie.

sticky-fingers

First step is too easy now, and default HoF sliders are not dood enough

0:18 first bucket : ok for me, defenders are late
0:22 after a block by Zaza, Thompson running vs an unbalanced Smart
0:28 horrible defense
0:35 horrible help
0:45 horrible help
0:51 horrible defense ... by Irving
0:59 D.Green bothers the defenders, Horford helps and Curry miss, cant see the problem
1:05 Irving vs Curry, advantage for the offender
1:12 Curry vs Irving , the same
1:17 Irving vs Curry, advantage for the offender, and horrible help
1:23 we saw this type of play in the first game of the finals, even without a fault

And i can tell you one thing, youre wrong when you are saying turrible help, general issue is turrible 1-on-1 defense. TURRIBLE. Check game clock, Dee is doin this all the time, there is no one single different situation. He can do this all night long, against every single player. Its for sure far away from SIM, its sunday players mode.
Dee you should upload Mullin vs Leonard gameplays.