End of the World

[x-uNdErRaTeD-z]

http://lionlamb.net/v3/YAVOHHeiscoming/2011/05
Not trying to promote anything but I just would.like to see your opinions on this and your critics toward this article. Please do not say something negative or as flame toward myself . Seems very reasonable to me personally. *In this article, he is using Prince Charles as an example, not as the actual "lawless" man

[benji]

The guy is a moron. Just like the people who are obsessed with 2012.

Scripture is not a source for anything. It's like using Harry Potter or Twilight or Halo to base real world predictions on.

Anyway, we find out in five days!

[x-uNdErRaTeD-z]

Did you actually read the article? He was proving May 21,2011 wrong and the other dates. He was saying the end of the world is not near yet. Come on benji read the whole thing.

[benji]

My point stands. He has no evidence, no support, nothing to back his nonsensical claim.

[x-uNdErRaTeD-z]

He has historical evidence written thousands of years ago from a written book and prophecies from the book which have happened just like the book saids. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

[x-uNdErRaTeD-z]

*sorry for double post..he is actually saying they're wrong but if you say there's no evidence then what do you think is going to happen instead?

[benji]

You can edit posts. It's over by the quote button.

The Bible is a moral philosophy work based around allegories, some of which are historical fiction, it is not a primary source nor even a secondary source.

Not a single thing he references did he even tie to a prophecy, let alone a specific quote, he simply declared it so. Sorry, but there is no way to accept that the Bible predicted things like the rise of Alexander the Great as it's completely possible it was written DURING or even AFTER his empire, or even "corrected" later to add to the power of the work.

How the hell am I supposed to know what's going to happen? A meteor could hit at almost any time and wipe us out. We could all decide to blow each other off the face of the Earth in a chase for scarce resources thanks to our future totalitarian empires. We could get "lucky", have nothing happen and in five million or billion years or whatever it is we get engulfed by the Sun anyway.

[Lean]

I did not click the link. But I do have an analogy:

If the world faces its end, it should not be scheduled. Even if it is scheduled to happen and we do get to die all at the same time, what can we do?

[x-uNdErRaTeD-z]

Not a single thing he references did he even tie to a prophecy, let alone a specific quote, he simply declared it so. Sorry, but there is no way to accept that the Bible predicted things like the rise of Alexander the Great as it's completely possible it was written DURING or even AFTER his empire, or even "corrected" later to add to the power of the work.

Way to spread false information.
King Nebuchadnezzar II reigned from 605 BC – 562 BC. Daniel lived during this period and Daniel also lived during the reign of Belshazzar.
Alexander the Great reigned from 336 BC – 323 BC. Over 200 years of difference lol? Was prophecied in the Bible exactly the way it is.

Notice the setting of the prophecy. It is the third year of
the reign of Belshazzar the king of Babylon. Daniel receives a
vision while at Shushan in the Palace in the province of Elam
(Dan. 8:1-2). Here is what he sees in the vision, "Then I lifted
up mine eyes, and saw, and behold, there stood before the river a
ram which had two horns; and the two horns were high; but one was
higher than the other, and the higher came up last. I saw the
ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no
beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could
deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and
became great" (verses 3 and 4).
Here is a mysterious "ram." What does this ram symbolize?
Notice the explanation revealed in verse 20! "The ram which thou
sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia"! This
ram symbolized THE MEDO-PERSIAN EMPIRE. It destroyed the Kingdom
of Babylon in 539 B.C. and ruled to 331 B.C.
But this is only the beginning of the prophecy. Now notice
verse 5: "And as I was considering, behold, a he goat came from
the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the
ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes."
Now notice the explanation of this mysterious symbol. "And
the rough goat IS THE KING OF GRECIA: and the great horn that is
between his eyes is THE FIRST KING" (verse 21).
These symbols are revealed to Daniel so that we can understand
the TIME SETTING of this end-time prophecy. The ram -- the
Medo-Persian Empire -- existed on the world scene until 331 B.C.
Then the Greco-Macedonian Empire came on the scene with its first
great king, Alexander the Great (verses 6 and 7). The conquest of
the Medo-Persian Empire by Alexander the Great occurred in 331
B.C.

And

Now continue with verse 8. "... the he goat waxed very great:
and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it
came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven."
Remember that the horn in the goat's head symbolized the "first
king" of the Greco-Macedonian Empire. That was Alexander the
Great. But this horn was suddenly "broken"! Alexander the Great
died suddenly of a fever in Babylon little more than thirty years
of age!
Continuing with verse 22 of this amazing prophecy: "Now that
being broken," -- Alexander the Great being dead -- "whereas four
stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the kingdom,
but not in his power."
Consider the time setting of this prophecy. It commenced with
the Medo-Persian Empire which lasted until 331 B.C. Then the
Greco-Macedonian Empire came on the scene with its first king,
Alexander the Great. In 323 B.C. Alexander died at the age of
33. Alexander's empire was divided into four major parts --
verse 22. None of these parts was as strong as the whole kingdom
had been under Alexander the Great.

From: http://www.coghomeschool.org/site/cog_a ... 20LAST.txt

Makes sense to me...

[benji]

Way to spread false information.

And your evidence that the Bible was definitively written prior to Alexander's reign and subsequently not changed, ever, even though it depicts post-Alexander events?

Also, what is your evidence that those passages MEAN what is being interpreted of them in what you quoted and NOT something else?

To be a prophecy or even support for a hypothesis, we MUST know when it was issued and the EXACT form of its issuance. A claim tweaked after the fact to vaguely support a known history is NOT a prophecy. Nor is post-hoc analysis.

Also, it's wrong. The Macedonian Empire did not divide into four kingdoms but collapsed into a multitude of kingdoms that warred for centuries.

Let me put it this way. How do we know DANIEL made such predictions? How do we know the writer didn't ASCRIBE these predictions to Daniel in order to strengthen his argument? We don't.

[Patr1ck]

Language is so vague in general. With figures of speech, it is very easy to say something has been predicted.

I've got a paradox for you. I've had dreams of visual scenes or actions from my point of view that have come true. Most of them seem insignificant, it's not like I see some tragic event and can stop it in time. But the paradox is, am I really dreaming of the future, or is my dream a subconscious suggestion that ends up coming to fruition?

Humans are crazy. Occupied with their own demise, their own self awareness of death, always looking for something or someone to "save them."

The world ended in 2000. You all are just really slow and haven't realized it yet.

[[Q]]

I've had dreams of visual scenes or actions from my point of view that have come true. Most of them seem insignificant, it's not like I see some tragic event and can stop it in time. But the paradox is, am I really dreaming of the future, or is my dream a subconscious suggestion that ends up coming to fruition?

i've also had dreams that take place in places i've never been before but a place i eventually go to. i had this dream once where my friends and i were in this liquor store in las vegas and it got robbed. and a few years later, we went to this store and it looked exactly how it did in my dream even though i had never seen the inside of it before that day

btw, humans are going to be the cause of their own extinction and will probably ruin it for all living things through pollution/oil spills/ozone layer/nukes so i'm guessing within the next couple hundred years or so.

[thewhitemamba]

not to sound holy but only Jesus knows when will we end

[Lean]

i've also had dreams that take place in places i've never been before but a place i eventually go to. i had this dream once where my friends and i were in this liquor store in las vegas and it got robbed. and a few years later, we went to this store and it looked exactly how it did in my dream even though i had never seen the inside of it before that day

Deja vu. It happens to me too.

EDIT: Most likely on "first-person" dreams.

[el badman]

Now the question is: since this is yet another way to interprete and extrapolate the scriptures, and since obviously nothing is going to happen on 5/21, will this make anyone here who pretends to live according to their holy book actually question anything about their beliefs? My guess is no.

[benji]

since obviously nothing is going to happen on 5/21

How do you know?

[el badman]

I guess I don't, but we'll find out soon enough...

[J@3]

I wish the World would just end already so we didn't have to listen to so many dumb predictions all the time.

[Lean]

What happens on the December 12th next year then if the world will end in t he 21st?

[Patr1ck]

I guess god will create a new world in 7 days but it won't last very long.

[ixcuincle]

[jettdaking!]

end of the world prophecies are getting too old

[thewhitemamba]

[puttincomputers]

Date setting is ridiculous. Jesus says that no man knows when the end will come except for the Father.

The whole 5/21 business is stupid. These Christians who have bought into this theory do not realize the dates are based on a book called "the book of Abraham." The book was "bought" by Joseph Smith Jr. at a TRAVELING MUMMY EXPOSITION! The Mormon church has accepted the fact that the translation of that document is false. Turns out that those who know how to read Egyptian hieroglyphs discovered it was actually talking about funeral in the 1st century!

[volsey]

Date setting is ridiculous. Jesus says...:

Hahaha really?