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My Own Doobie Dramz

Postby Fresh8 on Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:45 am

I felt like sharing my own ‘Doobie Dramz’ with everyone so here it is (Sorry Doobie that I had to use your thread title!). I guess it’s a chance for me to vent as well as see if you guys might be able to give me a little bit of advice.

My girlfriend and I broke up on Wednesday night after being together for 10 months. It doesn’t sound like long so I need to put it into context (as we always do).

We’ve known each other for 3 years now. We met through work and she had a thing for me back then. I didn’t believe it at the time, even though all my friends told me they believed so, but even if I did believe it - I would have never entertained it as she was just 16 and I was 20 (I just don’t feel like a uni student should really date a girl still in high school. Seems a bit wrong to me!). The first time we hung out was on Valentines Day 2009. I still remember that we saw ‘He’s Just Not That Into You’ – the average flick with that Mac guy. We actually laugh at it all the time and find it a coincidence that the first time we spent time alone was that day. One thing led to another and about 1-2 months later, I asked her out on a date.

A day after that, everything between us sort of flipped upside down. Her brother, whom I was also friends with, found out about us and demanded that I stay away from her. He also told her never to speak to me again. Being so young I expected her never to speak to me again. I didn’t mind as I liked her but not enough to be really too upset over it. Since I felt that I had nothing to lose or gain, I confronted the brother and told him that he was a jerk and control freak. He challenged me to fight him and I said ok before he backed off (this would come back to fuck me over).

We randomly bumped into each other at the end of 2009 and in early 2010, we agreed to go out one night for dinner and clubbing. One thing led to another and we started dating. After nearly 2 months together (June 2010), she decided that she would tell her brother about us. He went psycho but she stood her ground and eventually the brother gave up and told her that she could see me. But I am convinced to this day that he then went to the parents as 3 days later she told me that she had to stop seeing me. The next morning we saw each other and decided what we would do. We agreed to pretend to break up in front of everyone and start dating on the down low.

We’ve broken up once before when she said she felt too guilty to be seeing me and that she had to think about her parents/family too. When that had happened, I gave her a day to cool down and reasoned with her that we could do it. 10 months on, I felt like we were in a great relationship. Yes, it’s far from normal as we avoid a lot of areas in town and have to get away a lot more (lucky I got a car!) but we were happy – well, I was at least.

We spent a beautiful weekend last weekend at the Coast and she was still happy to see me when I spoke to her on Monday night. We arranged to see a movie on Tuesday night. That morning she told me that she could not see me anymore. Then on Wednesday, I got an email that she thought we should break up. She said that she did not know what we were doing anymore and she could not be in a relationship where we are hiding from everyone. She said the only way out was to tell her parents but she is too scared to do that. I told her I was ready to confront her parents and that I was not scared but she said that she can’t let her feelings ruin her family and everything that her dad has worked hard for. She said she loves me but she can’t go on like this for another year.


She said that she still wants us to have each other around in our respective lives. Right now, I am confused. I cannot have what I want. Thing is that she was not the only one that made sacrifices. I was stressed for the same reasons she was but at the end of the day, I knew that I was happy with her. And I always felt that we could get past everything as we already did with my parents. What I never told her was that my parents weren’t too fond of us being together either (and they are pretty strict Asian parents) but after seeing us so happy together, they slowly accepted it. I always wonder if I should tell her that or keep it secret.

I know that I should probably move on but it's easier said than done when you have not broken up on your own terms – it would be different if our relationship was not working because of one of us being unhappy but as far as I knew, we were still both very much happy together. I feel like she is taking the easy way out of this. Plus, I feel like after being together and going through so much together, I deserve more than a breakup over email/text. She said she doesn't have the guts to go it in person and I reckon it's because once she sees me in person, she would not be able to say she wants to walk away from us.

I keep thinking that maybe I should see her so that we can talk about it in person. Another part of me thinks that that is a bit too much. What do you guys think?
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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

Postby J@3 on Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:12 am

He beat her up for seeing you? Seriously the next time someone tells me multiculturalism is... sorry off topic :lol: seriously though, there's really two main ways to look at this. One is that you guys are both far too young to be in that sort of relationship, where you're having to sneak around and can't be together normally and whatever. The other is that if you both really want to be together then you shouldn't let other people stand in the way. Essentially you have to pick one of those roads and head down it. You either just accept that it'll cause more drama than it's worth for you guys to be together, or you try to make it happen and deal with all of the outside problems and issues that will come with it.

I read the post but I may have missed it, why exactly don't they want you dating her? I figure you're both Azn so it's not like you're messing up the gene pool.

Btw, I think it's wrong for you to say she's taking the easy way out. You mentioned she was a few years younger than you, and if her parents/brother find out that you two are dating she's the one who's going to get her ass kicked over it. She has more to lose than you do, all you have to lose is the relationship. She's got not only the relationship with you but also the relationship with her family and the fact that it could lead to her being harmed physically. I guarantee its ten times harder for her than it is for you, especially at a younger age.
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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

Postby Fresh8 on Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:22 am

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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

Postby JaoSming on Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:50 am

Personally, I can't stand not talking to people about stuff to clear the air, even if all you get out of it is finding out why they hate you.

I was actually going to make a similar thread about Kathryn's family and my current situation but after an awkward talk with her dad and brothers all's good.

I'd never allow a break up that isn't face to face. You gotta talk it out and if she still wants to break up then that's the way you gotta go.

I would talk to the parents and find out why they are so opposed to you guys. If they talk about the brother's lie, call him out on it, if you need it, you got an ace in the pocket with her getting beat up. Yea that could go south on you but if they aren't going to give their blessing on the relationship doing that is better than hiding the relationship IMO.

You said there is an age difference.....that is probably playing a big role here.....how old were you two when you guys had that date, and how old are you two now?
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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

Postby Fresh8 on Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:59 am

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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

Postby JaoSming on Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:08 pm

no its not, and that age difference isnt that bad (legit 4 year differences cause issues until ppl are 30ish)

I guess I would talk to her and if she's still unsure then attempt talking to her parents. If you feel it's worth using the L word, then its worth fighting a little bit to keep the relationship going rather than just accepting what she says she "wants".
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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

Postby Fresh8 on Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:13 pm

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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

Postby The X on Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:38 pm

I kinda figured you were sneaking behind her parent's back. Are the Nepalese always this protective? Do Nepalese not like Chinese origin people? I am guessing that the brother flipped because firstly he's traditional and secondly he felt betrayed that you used his friendship to leverage to his younger sister.

The parents will believe her brother. I am assuming that he is the first born son, which I belive in most cultures in that region means the sun shines out of their arses & they can't step a foot wrong & get the golden treatment.

In hindsight you should not have said you'd fight the brother. The brother had a reason to be pissed off, at that time you did not.

Jae is right though, there are only two paths you can go. The path where she chooses you would likely mean moving out of home and renouncing her family (until they accept you). That's a lot to ask if she's not 100% sure that you two are meant to be together. Put yourself in her shoes, would you renounce your whole family for her. If you had of asked me that in first year of relationship, I would've said no.

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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

Postby [Q] on Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:40 pm

wow that's fucked up that he (or her parents) beat her up for seeing you. i don't fully understand why her parents hate you too though. could be a cultural thing. my ex is cambodian and she didnt want me to meet her parents because i'm not and i guess she thought it was odd when we were out together to see a non-cambodian with a cambodian though i am pretty whitewashed and i never really looked at it like that. growing up in white suburbia you were either asian or white or black or mexican and that was it. i had no clue about filipinos & cambodians until i went to college.

i completely agree with what Jae said and Jao has some great points as well. I think you deserve more than an email break up but it may be for the best just to break it off completely and just not see her ever again. Jao's confrontation route is interesting but it could go bad for you if they're not the talking type. old-school people like my grandma are "this is what i think/say, that is how it will go" and you can't make em budge at all.
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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

Postby [Q] on Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:03 pm

yeah even though being "just friends" sounds good, but i think in a lot of cases a clean break and forgetting the other person even exists is best for healing. talk to her, but don't pressure her into giving up her family just to be with you.... seems kinda selfish when you put it that way.
After all, we have been through a lot together and there is nothing wrong with our relationship apart from this.

but that's the key. there is something wrong. now here's the part where i give the standard "plenty of fish" speech, you're young, you got plenty of time, try to figure out what you want or just improve on yourself and maybe one day you'll run into her again or you'll meet someone else that makes you happy. [/thatonlyhappensinthemovies]
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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

Postby The X on Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:06 pm

Definitely sounds like a traditional cultural thing. Unfortunately they can also be sexist where the guy gets away with it & the girl doesn't.

I know you wouldn't use friendship to leverage, I was just trying to say that is how her brother looks at it. To me it sounds like unless you are able to become friends with the brother again, then there is no chance with the family.

Best to have a D&M with her and work from there I guess. Either way, as I always say, it's all or nothing. You can't be friends with her. If you were to break up and stay friends with her, how would you feel when her family sets her up for marriage with a "nice" Nepalese guy?
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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

Postby J@3 on Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:22 pm

as bad as it sounds, her parents aren't going to be around forever and she should do what makes her happy


That's really not the right way to be approaching this. If she is willing to break up (and she initiated it) then maybe you have to face the possibility that she cares more about pleasing her parents than she does about being with you. She might like being with you and it might be what she wants in an ideal World, but taking all of her other complications and shit into account it might not be worth it for her, as harsh as that sounds.

I do agree she should talk to you face to face, but you're probably asking a bit much if you think she should risk alienating herself from her parents/family for a 10 month relationship. Especially at such a young age.

I have actually gone through an extremely similar situation, if you want to talk about it more in depth feel free to PM (I don't want to post all the details out in public) but in that situation I had to cut my losses and move on. It's not easy but it is doable.
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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

Postby Andrew on Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:24 pm

Sit wrote:Ah yeah, I would never force her to be with me. There's no point forcing someone to be with you when they don't want to.

I guess my main motivation for seeing her would be

1. My parents weren't keen on me and her and they eventually accepted so maybe it can be done
2. Is breaking up what she really wants because as bad as it sounds, her parents aren't going to be around forever and she should do what makes her happy


It doesn't sound like her parents are at all inclined to be as understanding and accepting as yours though. That's very disturbing that they're physically abusing her over the whole matter. Even if that's accepted in their culture, the fact of the matter is that they live in Australia and our laws and social attitude towards violence against women are pretty clear (to quote the campaign, Australia says no). To be blunt, people like that deserve to be in prison getting knocked around themselves for doing stuff like that.

However, it doesn't seem like either of you have a lot of leverage and it doesn't sound like she really knows what she wants. As others have said, if you're going to defy her parents (which in a case like this might even involve bringing in the authorities given the violence that's taking place), you both would have to be sure that you want to be together. To echo Jae's post, she'd be giving up a lot to be with you and depending on their actions there could be a messy legal situation involved as well, so again you'd both really need to be sure about this.

Remaining friends is a nice sentiment but it sounds like her family will be in the background no matter what and given how distrusting they seem to be, I could see there still being problems and threats for you to back off. It may be that you have to go your separate ways, unfortunate as that may be. Staying friends with an ex doesn't necessarily work out at the best of times, let alone when there's an awkward situation like this.

I'd also agree with those who have said you deserve better than a breakup via email or text or whatever, I think you need to talk face to face to get proper closure and to see if there is any chance that it could work. If she's not sure she can handle the situation with her family then I would suggest it's a sign you don't go down that road as again, you both need to be on board with the idea of defying them, cutting them out of your lives and if necessary involving the authorities otherwise it's going to make things awful for her if things ultimately don't work out.

There's a time to fight for a relationship and there's a time to walk away. If she can't go against her family - which is understandable - then this is probably one of the times to get closure and walk away.
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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

Postby Andrew on Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:39 pm

I wouldn't go that far. It's a fucked up situation for two legal adults to find themselves in.
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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

Postby [Q] on Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:27 pm

yeah Jae and i are definitely on the same page on this one. perhaps because we are a little bit older than most here. like i said my grandma is extremely traditional (and as a result, controlling) so much so that it was just over 20 years ago when my aunt was happy and in a relationship with a co-worker named robert. the only problem was that he is black. my grandma is extremely prejudiced against black people aad obviously she got her way. my aunt played the role of obedient daughter to a T. my mother and my uncle did not respect my grandmother's wishes in their marriages and my gma eventually helped drive both spouses away. even to this day she is still like that even when her niece is married to a black man now. you can't really wait for her parents to die off, because a few people in our family have been waiting a long time for that and it doesn't seem to be happening any time soon.
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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

Postby Andrew on Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:06 am

Best of luck with it. (Y)
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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

Postby Lean on Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:37 am

Was too late to read this. Although I'm wishing that you get the best out of what you have to say to her. At least clear things up.

I got my own Doobie dramz too.
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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

Postby kibaxx7 on Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:10 am

Late for reading this too. :| If you ask me, everything needs a closure. Good luck bro.
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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

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Re: My Own Doobie Dramz

Postby Oznogrd on Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:58 pm

Why delete it? the dramz must be preserved...so we can use it to make fun of you later
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