Barber Refuses Service to a Black Doctor

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Not cuting a black person's hair because you don't know how is __. Should he be forced to learn?

Racist
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Honest
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Force him to learn or close his shop
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Let him lose out on that 1 customer a year
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Barber Refuses Service to a Black Doctor

Postby JaoSming on Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:26 am

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40097232/ns/us_news-life/
BELLOWS FALLS, Vt. (AP) -- Barber Mike Aldrich says he was trying to avoid embarrassment -- and a lousy haircut -- when he balked at trimming the hair of Dr. Darryl Fisher. He says he's just no good at cutting black people's hair.

Fisher, who's black, believes there was something race-related about the way Aldrich, who's white, turned him away when he ducked into Mike's Barber Shop asking for a trim one day last month.

What happened next triggered hard feelings on both sides, a demonstration by locals unhappy with the barber and a new example of an old problem -- white barbers and hairdressers struggling to cope with black customers' hair, which generally is thicker and curlier than white people's hair.

"It's a major, major problem," said Willie Morrow, an author of books about barbering black people's hair.

The story begins Oct. 5, when Fisher, a physician from Taos, N.M., was visiting Bellows Falls, a village of about 3,500 residents along the Connecticut River, and walked up the steps into Aldrich's storefront barber shop.

Aldrich was playing cards with a friend, and Fisher asked if the barber was in. Aldrich said no, and Fisher went on his way. Later, walking past, Fisher saw through the front window that the man who'd told him the barber was out was cutting the hair of a white customer.

Fisher, 57, didn't go in. When he returned home, though, he sent a letter to the editor of the Brattleboro Reformer newspaper, recounting what had happened and saying he wouldn't want to work or live in Bellows Falls if that's the way businesses treat people.

"The way he looked at me -- and this is just my opinion -- and the way he just said, 'No,' when I asked if the barber was there and wouldn't tell me when the barber was coming in, and then 15 minutes later he's cutting somebody else's hair. Through my experience with racism, I thought it was racially motivated," Fisher said Monday in a telephone interview.

Aldrich, a one-man shop who sometimes plays host to impromptu cribbage games between regulars at a table near the front window, has been cutting hair for 40 years.

Interim town manager Francis Walsh describes Aldrich as "the kind of guy if you went in there and you asked for a haircut and he was playing cards, he'd tell you to leave."

Aldrich says that he gets only about one black customer a year at his shop in Bellows Falls, which lies on the Vermont-New Hampshire border and is 97 percent white. He tells them up front that he struggles with cutting their hair.

"I'm sorry," he said he tells them. "You can sit in the chair if you want, but I've tried cutting it, and I have problems. Whether I don't have the right equipment, I don't know."

He says it was wrong to lie to Fisher but he did it because he didn't want to cut his hair.

As unhappy as Fisher was with the treatment, he was impressed when he heard about Saturday's demonstration, in which about two dozen people -- at least one carrying a sign that said "Hate has no home here" -- staged a sidewalk protest. Their message: Bellows Falls and the Vermont region aren't racist.

"One jerk is not going to ruin everything," Fisher said. "The number of people who've protested him, that's a very good sign. I'm impressed. It's made me feel super welcome. I'll be back in Bellows Falls in December and won't be so nervous walking up and down the street."

Morrow, an expert on black hair and product developer who has written textbooks about its treatment, says others have the same problem Aldrich does.

"He's telling the truth. He literally cannot (cut black hair)," said Morrow, who's black. "The doctor would've been very upset at the haircut he would've gotten."


TL;DR version, old white barber was playing cards, turned a black guy away, was found by that guy cutting hair later in the day. He wrote to the paper about it, barber is known to turn people away when playing cards, also said he isn't good at cutting black people's hair and he only gets 1 black customer a year. People picket his shop and I wonder if this is really racist or not.


Saw this in the paper today and figured I'd ask the NLSC world what you guys think. I mean the guy obviously has his own way of doing things with turning people away when playing cards but this seems like that Doctor taking it a bit too personally and now the whole situation is out of hand.
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Re: Barber Refuses Service to a Black Doctor

Postby benji on Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:37 am

Meh, his shop, his right to refuse service to anyone he wants for any reason. Good (can't cut types of hair, wants to play cribbage instead) or bad (racism, hates doctors).

I'm sure Dr. Darryl Fisher would like a system where say, we force people to work for others. And you know, to help with the commute, there'd be on site housing for the workers. Oh, and to ensure that everyone has a job the children are also given a job as their parents were and this continues for generations.

I also like how he expects the barber to work whenever he wants the barber to, not whenever the barber wants to. So to go with my above system, which we will call "mandatory generational employment", you could have an increasing series of punishments for those who refuse to work. First, you take the pay away, then various privileges, and eventually you might have to have physical punishment. For the good of the workers so they learn their place, and for the good of the "community estate" as all the workers are putting in work.

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Re: Barber Refuses Service to a Black Doctor

Postby Fresh8 on Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:31 am

The root of the problem is that they're both old and grumpy. :)

On serious note, wouldn't call it racist based on what has been written here.
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Re: Barber Refuses Service to a Black Doctor

Postby Laxation on Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:35 am

I say both racist and honest.
an old guy like this in a town thats 97% white is probably pretty set in his ways and isnt going to change any time soon.
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Re: Barber Refuses Service to a Black Doctor

Postby Bruce on Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:08 pm

Had I not seen the documentary "Good Hair" with Chris Rock narrating I would say the barber must be racist. But since he never threw any racial slur, I don't think it was his fault that he lives in a town that is predominately white. There isn't even a photo of Dr. Daryl Fisher for us to know what kind of hair he has.
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Re: Barber Refuses Service to a Black Doctor

Postby J@3 on Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:30 pm

The funny thing is if he cut his hair and did a shit job he'd probably still write a letter to the editor saying the town is racist because barbers don't know how to cut black peoples hair properly.
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Re: Barber Refuses Service to a Black Doctor

Postby benji on Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:17 am

First reaction to not getting a haircut, letter to the editor. (Fisher)
First reaction to getting a phone message, contact the FBI. (Hill)
First reaction to police wondering why you refuse ID trying to get into a house, freak the fuck out. (Gates)

This post is racist.

I mean if I came to this guys shop and he said no while playing cribbage, and I walked by later and he was working if I cared this much I'd be like "wtf" and he'd say "I was playing cards" and I be'd all, okay, never mind where can I buy some hard liquor?

Who tries to get a haircut in random places anyway? Was it some kind of hair emergency?
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Re: Barber Refuses Service to a Black Doctor

Postby shadowgrin on Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:03 am

Nothing racist imo.
It's just another person who has a sense of entitlement because he's a doctor and he's pissed off because he didn't get what he wanted from the lowly barber so he bitched to the media and played the race card.
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Re: Barber Refuses Service to a Black Doctor

Postby atlwarrior on Sat Nov 13, 2010 5:56 am

This is coming from a black person. Well it is very unusual for a black person to step foot into a white barbershop. Well atleast where Im from. You see a white man step into a black barbershop but never the other way around. There was nothing racist about the white barber from what i see. He just said he doesnt know how to cut black people's hair. Simple fact is the man was just doing him a favor. Why would you want to spend your money on a barber who says he doesnt know how to cut your hair? Or maybe the man is confused about what race he is because a black man walking into a white barbershop is just unheard of :lol: .
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Re: Barber Refuses Service to a Black Doctor

Postby Andrew on Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:52 am

Seems like the barber could've handled the situation better. It's noted that he's usually upfront with black customers about his inability to cut their hair properly, that's what he should've done here. Spinning the story about not being in makes it sound as though there's another motive, potentially racially driven. Of course, there's the question of whether Dr Fisher would've accepted that explanation and not considered it a cover-up of racist sentiment, as it could be taken that way.
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Re: Barber Refuses Service to a Black Doctor

Postby Doobie on Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:53 am

I have black people hair (Dominicans are pretty much black Hispanics.) and I've never been refused by a barber. I do get a ton of complaints that my hair is super hard to cut, and most of my haircuts don't end up as good as I wish they did. I have to go to black/Hispanic barbers to get it done right.
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Re: Barber Refuses Service to a Black Doctor

Postby shadowgrin on Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:45 pm

Doobie wrote:I've never been refused by a barber.

They don't happen to be playing something when you entered the shop did they so they were willing to accommodate you?
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