Questioning society's values of today

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Questioning society's values of today

Postby Tuomas on Wed May 10, 2006 6:34 pm

During the army I had time to think a lot about life and had an opportunity to discuss many issues with all kinds of people I normally don't meet. After I got released I saw a lot of things differently. I especially remember a guy from my team that clearly stated that he didn't give a damn about anything. That first seemed like a moronic idea, but once we got to discuss about it, I agreed with a lot of things.

Okay, to the subject:

Society pressures us all the time in all aspects. We should go to school, get a job, earn money etc. We should look beautiful and handsome, be outgoing and most importantly earn and spend money. Now first of all a lot of people think money is everything. Like money is the root of happiness. Now I would like to have some more of it, but a lot of people I have talk to see their main goals in life tied to money. The society wants, or MAKES us do some things that are considered compulsary. First you go to school, then you study some more or/and get a job, build a family, work for ages, retire and... Well that's basically it. A cycle like this keeps the society going and makes people like lab animals running in a wheel.

Today's society is nowhere near a complete unit, it's merely a conclusion of a history that has lead to this point. That makes me wonder why so few people question these values like they have no free will at all. For example, my little sister is a brainwashed moron. I asked her what she wants from life and all I got was the same money-job-family stuff. Now some people might want that, I understand. If it's your ultimate goal, fine, but most people have dreams and fantasies they would like to fulfill. But it seems that society suffocates these dreams by making them impossible. Now if someone's dream is to climb on the top of Mount Blanc, he or she possible wouldn't do it, because it would need too much sacrifices and efforts from everyday life.

Okay now I'm just getting to the point. People are afraid to fulfill some of the things they want just because society makes them somewhat impossible. But like the guy who climbed on the top of Mt. Everest first wasn't afraid to rebel against society's standards. He knew what he wanted and just did it. Most of people wouldn't do something like that, because it seems too impossible to get away from society's standards.

I started to think about these when I saw myself acting like a robot that does exactly what the society wants me to do. I had just finished my military service (a huge favour (like I even wanted to do it) for the country I don't even like so much), started to looking for a job and studying for the entry exams for university. Of course I see a job important because money is a must to survive, but isn't there any space to question these values? Now I take these issues more lightly simply because failing in one or another isn't the end of the world. Like a friend of mine that hasn't a job or a place to study might be considered a loser but I really respect him because he knows what he wants to do and achieve in life.

Now if a person doesn't have a job and lives in a small house, judging by society's standards he is considered lower than a rich lawyer. But the jobless man might be much happier than the lawyer althought he isn't as useful to the society.
Life is much more than just the things society wants us to believe and it took some time for me to understand. But now I'm happier in life than before my military service.


I might lost some of my thoughts writing this, but I'll add some questions for you to think about and hopefully get a conversation going. I'm pretty interested in this since most of people I've talked about believe in today's society, while I see that it has harmed the planet and it's inhabitats as much or even more than it has done good to them.
    Do you have dreams that you would like to fulfill but they seem impossible to reach, because it's too hard to get them done?
    What values set by society do you question?
    Have you just sat sometimes on a park bench and looked objectively how the society's rat race looks?
    When you're old and tired, what would you want to have accomplished?
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Re: Questioning society's values of today

Postby Dramacydal on Wed May 10, 2006 10:03 pm

Tuomas wrote:When you're old and tired, what would you want to have accomplished?


One thing I'm really looking forward to is having a family. This is definetely the one thing I want to have when I'm old because it's something you can usually always depend on and in my opinion being a dad must be one of the best feelings ever.


I see where you're coming from. Society brings people down really easily with all the pressures it creates. It seems like were moving backwards into the direction of social darwinism, which is sad to see. People don't even seem to consider offering the slightest bit of help to a stranger in simple every day situations. Just an example: I was sitting in a cafe and a young mother was trying to open the door but couldn't manage to push it open and push the pram through it aswell. The cafe was full of people but not even one offered her his or her help. And that's what it's like all the time. Another example: when I was a child I remember that me and my family knew everyone in the appartment block we were living in. These days we're living in a different appartment block (for 6 years now) and I only know like 2 or 3 other people who live here aswell. I'm still seeing total strangers every now and then, who I found out live here aswell.
A positive aspect of this situation though is that families become more and more import. Due to what I stated above the bonds between relatives grow a lot stronger because there's no one else you can count on.
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Postby bullsfan009 on Wed May 10, 2006 10:53 pm

When people connect their self-worth, happiness, and entire life pursuit on looks, material things, social status, popularity, and other empty things, then you get the big rat race like we have today. Because it's all never enough- it's just one fad to the next. I don't know if I can pin down one thing exactly why society as a whole is so messed up, but I think a few things are:

:arrow: Parents assuming their child would rather have things than time with them.
:arrow: Children not having a loving foundation, and a healthy love of themselves, seek to fill that up by watching TV all the time, or getting attention doing dumb things, or escaping with drugs, booze, etc.
:arrow: Adversizing telling people that they must look this way (skinny but fully curvy women, and bulky musclehead men, and absolutely no wrinkles/pimples/blotches on your face at all), and own these things (house + car + high-paying "respectable" job) and act this way (men be tough- no crying, no feelings but mad & aroused, women flirty, air-headed, talk about the interior decoration of their home & the next sale at the mall) if they want to be liked & accepted by others. If they want love, basically- that's what everyone wants, but they just don't know how to get it.

When I'm old and tired, I hope that I've inspired and helped as many people as possible to choose a loving lifestyle, and to strive to have a relationship with God that will sustain them & such a lifestyle and just keep spreadin' the love, basically

hey great topic to bring up Tuomas (Y)
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Postby cyanide on Thu May 11, 2006 3:20 am

Interesting topic, but you should consider another point of view and understand why your sister wants to have that job-money-family mentality. There's two things she could be doing this for: Because society says so, or because she genuinely wants to.

To answer your questions from my perspective:

Do you have dreams that you would like to fulfill but they seem impossible to reach, because it's too hard to get them done?
I believe that nothing is impossible with hard work and determination. I have a dream to be a successful designer and to perhaps start something innovative in the visual design world. At the same time, I have a dream that I want to be happy in a committing relationship and have kids in the future.

What values set by society do you question?
The materialistic culture dominated by the media and advertising that encourages profit and conformity. That restricts our independence, our identity, and our creativity.

Have you just sat sometimes on a park bench and looked objectively how the society's rat race looks?
Yup. Several disgust me, but there are a handful that looks like he/she knows what they want and are distinguishing themselves from society's rat race.

When you're old and tired, what would you want to have accomplished?
To acknowledge that I accomplished something in life, for myself, for others, and to be happy before I die.
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Postby air gordon on Thu May 11, 2006 9:16 am

i personally think some society 'pressures' are good: get an education, a good job, raise a family, make some kind of positive contributions to society

it is a sad fact but you need money to do things. and i'm not talking about materialism such as buying the latest cell phone or furniture from ikea. you want to live in a safe neighborhood, want your kids to go to a good school, etc? it's going to cost you and your means to get it is a good education and job. simple as that unless you want to live the rest of your life working for green peace or saving monkeys and barely making enough to survive

and getting a stable job/income will lead you to living out whatever other dreams you want. and as you say- the catch is not to get caught up in your work or get "programmed' by what the media tells you

and i don't really care for people acting self righteous- like a lawyer thinking he's better then a chef or teacher. those people are shallow and idiots.

but personally i do have a problem with jobless people- go get a job, you leeches of society. jobs such as housekeeping, landscaping, etc may be frowned upon by some people but at least those people are doing something to make a living instead of being a bum and living off someone

Do you have dreams that you would like to fulfill but they seem impossible to reach, because it's too hard to get them done?

some yes, some no. my goal this summer is participate in a triatholon and so far it looks like it's going to happen. i'd very much like to go to the Philippines before the end of the year but i don't think it's happening because a lot of shit's going on- a lot of weddings to attend to, saving up for a wedding, more or less time and money issues

What values set by society do you question?

pretty much all of them

Have you just sat sometimes on a park bench and looked objectively how the society's rat race looks?

yeh, especially when i'm downtown or in the health club. pretty much everyone looks the same at both places

as for the last question.. i'd have to go with what bullsfans said :

When I'm old and tired, I hope that I've inspired and helped as many people as possible to choose a loving lifestyle, and to strive to have a relationship with God that will sustain them & such a lifestyle and just keep spreadin' the love, basically
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