big_stud12585

by **Rens** on Thu Jan 30, 2003 8:03 pm

What's your problem taking shots at nbalive.org? Your arguments make no sense and the way you talk about people associated with the website is demeaning to say the least.
Please explain yourself, and please do it in normal fashion. Also, I'd appreciate the opportunity of a reply to this fellow, since the thread where he was trying to make a point was locked.

by **JHova** on Thu Jan 30, 2003 11:38 pm

Don't mess with Big Stud! Heh, that name backwards is Duts Gib... sounds like a Bee Gee. But anyway, wouldn't be the first time someone's argument never made sense... I'm out like a black jewish pakistani named Jamal

by em on Fri Jan 31, 2003 1:05 am

Dan Gadzuric wrote:What's your problem taking shots at nbalive.org? Your arguments make no sense and the way you talk about people associated with the website is demeaning to say the least.
Please explain yourself, and please do it in normal fashion. Also, I'd appreciate the opportunity of a reply to this fellow, since the thread where he was trying to make a point was locked.

uh..they started it??

Ben wrote:WOW! I must say that you are the greatest patcher...no...person to ever grace the Earth! THANK THE LORD YOU MADE THIS PATCH! I dunno how I could live with the normal ref appearing about 3 cut scenes a game!

Everyone in this thread seems to be making a big deal over what's really nothing...I don't see the point of this patch really...I find it pointless and a waste of 0's and 1's...

Then again...most of the responses to these threads are worthless, simply bit consuming and spam...I guess I shouldn't set my expectations for people so high...again:

i also knw its not just me who didnt like the way he acted..

RZArectah wrote:what the hell is your problem ben? take it easy...

RZArectah wrote:u r taking this way too seriously. i just found your response to the guy who made the patch a bit rude, that's all. i ain't praising the patch like it's something extraordinary. but if u don't like it, i don't think it's necessary to attack the guy who made it. just don't download it if u don't need it. it must be discouraging to make patches when the feedback is something like u wrote...

"discrimination promoter" ... whatever man ... i ain't looking for no beef here. i'm a peace-loving dude and that's all i have to say in this thread.

peace

http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~nbalive/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3546

all i got to say is why did he have to criticize in such a way? couldnt he have done it in a respectful manner? explain..

by **Dert** on Fri Jan 31, 2003 5:24 am

I find it pointless and a waste of 0's and 1's...

Heehehehehehe...

Oh NO! Lets not waste anymore valuable positive and negative electric charges!!!!!

Ben, i agree that you have the right to your opinion, but you could do it in a different way. If you would have said something like "Wow guys, take it easy... its just a patch." then people might not being annoyed by the sarcasm you were displaying. You always say that most of the posters on this forum are idiot, and as much as that is somewhat true, expressing sarcasm towards others over and over does not make the forum any better.

by em on Fri Jan 31, 2003 5:46 am

Dert wrote:
I find it pointless and a waste of 0's and 1's...

Heehehehehehe...

Oh NO! Lets not waste anymore valuable positive and negative electric charges!!!!!

Ben, i agree that you have the right to your opinion, but you could do it in a different way. If you would have said something like "Wow guys, take it easy... its just a patch." then people might not being annoyed by the sarcasm you were displaying. You always say that most of the posters on this forum are idiot, and as much as that is somewhat true, expressing sarcasm towards others over and over does not make the forum any better.

exactly what im trying to say..

by **JHova** on Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:29 am

Actually, back in the boards better more interesting days, sarcasm was the name of the game

by **Rens** on Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:00 am

Back then there were actually people that knew what sarcasm is and could identify it when they found it...

Travis Lee wrote:uh..they started it??

Against you?

Travis Lee wrote:exactly what im trying to say..

Pfft you didn't even mention sarcasm once.

Oh and about constructive criticism...good to see some people actually act the way they preach.

Travis Lee wrote:this my friend does not look like lamar at all...

has little to do with your accurate feelings about this patch

yes it does, i dont like it. it sucks plain and simple.

The majority of people I've heard from have deemed this the best Odom face they have seen

u got 3 good comments and 2 bad ones. one from nick and me.

If you're going to post your comments on a patch, be mature about it

and u call this mature?

Ben wrote:WOW! I must say that you are the greatest patcher...no...person to ever grace the Earth! THANK THE LORD YOU MADE THIS PATCH! I dunno how I could live with the normal ref appearing about 3 cut scenes a game!

Everyone in this thread seems to be making a big deal over what's really nothing...I don't see the point of this patch really...I find it pointless and a waste of 0's and 1's...

Then again...most of the responses to these threads are worthless, simply bit consuming and spam...I guess I shouldn't set my expectations for people so high...again:

hey u're the one that said
You're attacking someone for stating their opinion on a patch and attempting to continue a mob mentality that is unaccepting of any opinions that find such a patch useless or doesn't like a patch of a established patcher.
on the other thread..so i'm just giving u a favor back and state MY opinion on ur odom..

Tyus Edney's Agent wrote:Hey Big stud, get over it don't hold personal grudges for something that stupid. Positive comments will not help you become a better patcher while Negative replys help you strive to be the best.

i dont hold personal grudges on him. i'm only stating my own opinion like he said he was doing in that other thread..

ha, i'm not a patcher so i dont see how this can hurt me..

And then.. your "greatest Odom patch EVER!!!!"

http://www.geocities.com/big_stud12585/imgs/patch1.jpg

I hate to break it to ya.. but the colors don't even match between the body and the face. If you can't even see that... how do you think you can actually make sensible comments on other patches?

by em on Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:19 am

Dan Gadzuric wrote:Back then there were actually people that knew what sarcasm is and could identify it when they found it...

sarcasm my ass. so when i start making bad comments on someone's patch..thats sarcasm as well?

Travis Lee wrote:uh..they started it??

Against you?

Travis Lee wrote:exactly what im trying to say..

Pfft you didn't even mention sarcasm once.

Oh and about constructive criticism...good to see some people actually act the way they preach.

Travis Lee wrote:this my friend does not look like lamar at all...

has little to do with your accurate feelings about this patch

yes it does, i dont like it. it sucks plain and simple.

The majority of people I've heard from have deemed this the best Odom face they have seen

u got 3 good comments and 2 bad ones. one from nick and me.

If you're going to post your comments on a patch, be mature about it

and u call this mature?

Ben wrote:WOW! I must say that you are the greatest patcher...no...person to ever grace the Earth! THANK THE LORD YOU MADE THIS PATCH! I dunno how I could live with the normal ref appearing about 3 cut scenes a game!

Everyone in this thread seems to be making a big deal over what's really nothing...I don't see the point of this patch really...I find it pointless and a waste of 0's and 1's...

Then again...most of the responses to these threads are worthless, simply bit consuming and spam...I guess I shouldn't set my expectations for people so high...again:

hey u're the one that said
You're attacking someone for stating their opinion on a patch and attempting to continue a mob mentality that is unaccepting of any opinions that find such a patch useless or doesn't like a patch of a established patcher.
on the other thread..so i'm just giving u a favor back and state MY opinion on ur odom..

Tyus Edney's Agent wrote:Hey Big stud, get over it don't hold personal grudges for something that stupid. Positive comments will not help you become a better patcher while Negative replys help you strive to be the best.

i dont hold personal grudges on him. i'm only stating my own opinion like he said he was doing in that other thread..

ha, i'm not a patcher so i dont see how this can hurt me..

if u dont knw by now. "hate to break it to ya"but he doesnt even post on here anymore so dont expect something..not from me at least.

And then.. your "greatest Odom patch EVER!!!!"

http://www.geocities.com/big_stud12585/imgs/patch1.jpg

I hate to break it to ya.. but the colors don't even match between the body and the face. If you can't even see that... how do you think you can actually make sensible comments on other patches?

if it aint the best odom patch..at least it looks like him and not this crap..

[img]

but again i did say i was a starter dumb***

-eric m.

by **Dert** on Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:23 am

If you look at a dictionary, sarcasm is NOT A GOOD THING!

by **Rens** on Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:30 am

Relax Travis be glad I didn't start about the birthdate of your girlfriend being in your nickname...
and thanks for ignoring all my points and getting straight to the most important point, your sucky cyberface. Then again, maybe I've gotten spoiled with the patches I've used (Tony, Alex, Devastator).

I never said sarcasm was a good thing, it IS a good thing when you can recognise it though, that means you can have a chuckle over it and then see it for what it really is instead of acting all hurt.

by em on Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:46 am

Dan Gadzuric wrote:Relax Travis be glad I didn't start about the birthdate of your girlfriend being in your nickname...
and thanks for ignoring all my points and getting straight to the most important point, your sucky cyberface. Then again, maybe I've gotten spoiled with the patches I've used (Tony, Alex, Devastator).

I never said sarcasm was a good thing, it IS a good thing when you can recognise it though, that means you can have a chuckle over it and then see it for what it really is instead of acting all hurt.

keep going..ur just making me laugh..whata fool!! newayz..its my cyberface punkass..like it or not i told u all that i am a starter but i will improve frm time. u talk bout cyberfaces..ya those guyz make lots of them and they r good but when they step into jerseyz..they cant do shit..i say no match for jowe or travis..no wonder i dont see any jerseyz?? wonder why punk..

by em on Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:55 am

i also got something to show u..

Posted: Jan 30 2003, 01:00 PM

QUOTE (joaqz3rd @ Jan 30 2003, 09:39 AM)
yep.. totally awesome patch
btw, any new addon trav?? whats ur next addon? hehe sorry coz im d*mn excited lolz!

lol, not really an add-on but I'm currently working on the Houston Rockets complete set. It's hard cuz of all those lines on the jerseys and lots of work has to be put into these jerseys. Coming up I have some pretty hard stuff to do, Rockets and Pacers, oh man..anyway, I'll release them when I'm done (whenever that may be, lol). Later.

Travis

this was on his board earlier..my point is he is busy?? i dont see how u can mistake me for him??

-eric m.

by **Tony** on Fri Jan 31, 2003 9:55 am

''travis lee'' wrote:ya those guyz make lots of them and they r good but when they step into jerseyz..they cant do shit..i say no match for jowe or travis..no wonder i dont see any jerseyz?? wonder why punk..

Didn't Tony make loads of jerseys for Live 2001? I also think I saw he included practice jerseys in all of his 2003 patches...

big_stud, chill for once... its just a game, and please type in proper English for Christ's sakes...

by em on Fri Jan 31, 2003 10:05 am

menso wrote:
''travis lee'' wrote:ya those guyz make lots of them and they r good but when they step into jerseyz..they cant do shit..i say no match for jowe or travis..no wonder i dont see any jerseyz?? wonder why punk..

Didn't Tony make loads of jerseys for Live 2001? I also think I saw he included practice jerseys in all of his 2003 patches...

big_stud, chill for once... its just a game, and please type in proper English for Christ's sakes...

2001 is over dude..its 2003 and he hasnt made 1 single team jersey..no not practice jersey but "team jersey" the hell does anyone need practice jerseys newayz? isnt this nba live 2003? shouldnt it be bout playing a 5 on 5 gm and not playing with practice jerseys?..but ya its just a gm..i had a problem with what ben said and u guyz go way over just that..

by **benji** on Fri Jan 31, 2003 11:08 am

You two are out of line...Stud and Dan...

stud wrote:i had a problem with what ben said and u guyz go way over just that..

You're the one that dug up TWO old threads just to attack me personally. Then you're miffed when a friend who can actually post freely on this forum challenges your slanderous comments.

stud wrote:absolutely. we have the nlsc and then nbalive.org but everywhere i go i see things like "nbalive.org - the definitive nba live resource" now thats a bunch of bull..everyone knws that nlsc is the #1 place and not nbalive.org and ben already claiming they are the best out there..

Well, we needed a slogan for the ad banner, and that was decided upon based on work we have been doing behind the scenes and do to the fact that advertisements are meant to sell and something like that would. It's common marketing sense.

stud wrote:just because nbalive.org is somewhat "similar" to nlsc just the fact that nbalive.org has these "elite" patchers dont mean u guys should be tops on the net.

And that's why I'm pushing to add features and more content. Duh.

stud wrote: i see the competitive environment going on here but let ur patches do the talking and not start a "war" from what i heard..

The only people spouting this "war" crap are the people who have absolutely no knowledge of anything that's going on. The only "fighting" was between Alex, Tony and Andrew and that died out because of lack of interest on either parties parts, I only got involved because I was confused by the actions taken by them and wanted to not cause any further problems. Then there's the supposed "insider" (who Andrew refuses to tell, yet I have a very good idea of who) who is just trying to start something where there is nothing.

stud wrote:whats the point of "starting a war?" what war? war about what? war for the site with the "best nba live resources?" no point, no point at at...

What's the point of taking the comments of an angry man and applying them to an entire group? That's stereotyping which is commonly considered bad.

stud wrote:exactly andrew. if the nlsc is so bad, why be a part of it? why announce ur patches here? i mean dont nbalive.org have their own forum??

I've already addressed this five or six times. There are people who do not visit both sites, thus, the reason to provide them with such information. Anyway, no patches have been announced in quite sometimes because of the facists that run GameSpy.

stud wrote:they all want the nlsc to go down

Who does?

stud wrote:nbalive.org will NEVER take over because they are nothing more than a bunch of losers that have nothing else to do than to criticize people for anything and everything

So we're losers because we're outspoken and honest in opinions. And we do nothing because of that, despite making patches, being silly and so on and so forth. :roll:

You're not spreading slander or anything...

stud wrote:they dislike the site design yes, i support free speech and what not but like u said u took offense and i agree that u as being the webmaster of this site that u had to do what u had to defend urself from all their critism..

Two posts. Two. You make it sound like we (as in every member of nbalive.org, when infact only three people commented on the design at all, Tony, Alex and myself, who just stated that Pistons colors would be better than Knicks colors) were attacking Andrew constantly. Again trying to start something, you are.

stud wrote:is it wrong to block people or ignore replying to an email? there is no law or wrong doing to people blocking people or not replying to the emails if they dont want to or dont feel like replying to it..people block people all the time. people delete emails and never reply to some all the time. stop crying about it and trying to start a war..

Again, with this mindless "war" talk, jeez, you sound like the news. Is it wrong? No, but if Andrew wants to get some understanding out of this and would like to actually work with me then he wouldn't be blocking me and ignoring e-mails would he? (if he does infact participate in this) Infact, in this instant, who's the one looking like they're trying to start something? Andrew (like I said, if he does infact participate in this) and more importantly you[b].

Andrew wrote:At any rate, I'm locking this thread for the same reason I've deleted some other ones around the forum. These old issues keep getting resurrected and flame wars are started or rekindled.

Again, you're ignoring the problem rather than attempting to solve it. The problem here was big_stud (and James...) and you're commending him for attacking and [b]demeaning other members of the forum. That last part should sound familiar.

Jae wrote:Don't mess with Big Stud! Heh, that name backwards is Duts Gib... sounds like a Bee Gee. But anyway, wouldn't be the first time someone's argument never made sense... I'm out like a black jewish pakistani named Jamal

Refreshing...to say the least...to have a nice ol' Jae post.

stud wrote:uh..they started it??

Um, no, we didn't. All I (not nbalive.org) did was post my opinion on someone's patch, you're the one who decided to start a "jihad" against me and my associates.

stud wrote:all i got to say is why did he have to criticize in such a way? couldnt he have done it in a respectful manner? explain..

It was comparatively respectful. I could've attacked the guy personally for his opinions.

Denys wrote:You always say that most of the posters on this forum are idiot, and as much as that is somewhat true, expressing sarcasm towards others over and over does not make the forum any better.

Most? Try all...including myself before anyone decides to get pissy.

Denys wrote:Ben, i agree that you have the right to your opinion, but you could do it in a different way. If you would have said something like "Wow guys, take it easy... its just a patch." then people might not being annoyed by the sarcasm you were displaying.

I'm not going to fault myself or change just because someone can't handle a wee bit of sarcasm or harsh criticism.

stud wrote:sarcasm my ass. so when i start making bad comments on someone's patch..thats sarcasm as well?

It was sarcasm. Followed by honest criticism. If you make "bad" comments (whatever those are...) on someone's patch, they're "bad" comments. If you do it sarcastically, that's sarcasm. Simple.

stud wrote:if it aint the best odom patch..at least it looks like him and not this crap...

Translated with added sarcasm: I'm not insulting this patch because of a personal issue or anything. I'm not insulting this patch in more areas than the original thread because of a personal issue or anything.

stud wrote:but again i did say i was a starter dumb***

Why curse and insult someone?

denys wrote:If you look at a dictionary, sarcasm is NOT A GOOD THING!

Neither are drugs, cars or pieces of paper. Yet millions, if not billions use them everyday.

Dan wrote:Relax Travis be glad I didn't start about the birthdate of your girlfriend being in your nickname...
and thanks for ignoring all my points and getting straight to the most important point, your sucky cyberface.

Like I said at the start Dan. While you may be being honorable (honourable) in your actions, they are becoming personal attacks and there's no true need for that.

stud wrote:keep going..ur just making me laugh..whata fool!! newayz..its my cyberface punkass..like it or not i told u all that i am a starter but i will improve frm time. u talk bout cyberfaces..ya those guyz make lots of them and they r good but when they step into jerseyz..they cant do shit..i say no match for jowe or travis..no wonder i dont see any jerseyz?? wonder why punk..

The sad thing is...you aren't going to get any punishment for anything you're doing. Tony and Alex used to make jerseys but have had no motivation to do 2003 ones as of yet.

by em on Fri Jan 31, 2003 11:17 am

Ben wrote:You two are out of line...Stud and Dan...
stud wrote:i had a problem with what ben said and u guyz go way over just that..

You're the one that dug up TWO old threads just to attack me personally. Then you're miffed when a friend who can actually post freely on this forum challenges your slanderous comments.
stud wrote:absolutely. we have the nlsc and then nbalive.org but everywhere i go i see things like "nbalive.org - the definitive nba live resource" now thats a bunch of bull..everyone knws that nlsc is the #1 place and not nbalive.org and ben already claiming they are the best out there..

Well, we needed a slogan for the ad banner, and that was decided upon based on work we have been doing behind the scenes and do to the fact that advertisements are meant to sell and something like that would. It's common marketing sense.
stud wrote:just because nbalive.org is somewhat "similar" to nlsc just the fact that nbalive.org has these "elite" patchers dont mean u guys should be tops on the net.

And that's why I'm pushing to add features and more content. Duh.
stud wrote: i see the competitive environment going on here but let ur patches do the talking and not start a "war" from what i heard..

The only people spouting this "war" crap are the people who have absolutely no knowledge of anything that's going on. The only "fighting" was between Alex, Tony and Andrew and that died out because of lack of interest on either parties parts, I only got involved because I was confused by the actions taken by them and wanted to not cause any further problems. Then there's the supposed "insider" (who Andrew refuses to tell, yet I have a very good idea of who) who is just trying to start something where there is nothing.
stud wrote:whats the point of "starting a war?" what war? war about what? war for the site with the "best nba live resources?" no point, no point at at...

What's the point of taking the comments of an angry man and applying them to an entire group? That's stereotyping which is commonly considered bad.
stud wrote:exactly andrew. if the nlsc is so bad, why be a part of it? why announce ur patches here? i mean dont nbalive.org have their own forum??

I've already addressed this five or six times. There are people who do not visit both sites, thus, the reason to provide them with such information. Anyway, no patches have been announced in quite sometimes because of the facists that run GameSpy.
stud wrote:they all want the nlsc to go down

Who does?
stud wrote:nbalive.org will NEVER take over because they are nothing more than a bunch of losers that have nothing else to do than to criticize people for anything and everything

So we're losers because we're outspoken and honest in opinions. And we do nothing because of that, despite making patches, being silly and so on and so forth. You're not spreading slander or anything...
stud wrote:they dislike the site design yes, i support free speech and what not but like u said u took offense and i agree that u as being the webmaster of this site that u had to do what u had to defend urself from all their critism..

Two posts. Two. You make it sound like we (as in every member of nbalive.org, when infact only three people commented on the design at all, Tony, Alex and myself, who just stated that Pistons colors would be better than Knicks colors) were attacking Andrew constantly. Again trying to start something, you are.
stud wrote:is it wrong to block people or ignore replying to an email? there is no law or wrong doing to people blocking people or not replying to the emails if they dont want to or dont feel like replying to it..people block people all the time. people delete emails and never reply to some all the time. stop crying about it and trying to start a war..

Again, with this mindless "war" talk, jeez, you sound like the news. Is it wrong? No, but if Andrew wants to get some understanding out of this and would like to actually work with me then he wouldn't be blocking me and ignoring e-mails would he? (if he does infact participate in this) Infact, in this instant, who's the one looking like they're trying to start something? Andrew (like I said, if he does infact participate in this) and more importantly you[b].
Andrew wrote:At any rate, I'm locking this thread for the same reason I've deleted some other ones around the forum. These old issues keep getting resurrected and flame wars are started or rekindled.

Again, you're ignoring the problem rather than attempting to solve it. The problem here was big_stud (and James...) and you're commending him for attacking and [b]demeaning other members of the forum. That last part should sound familiar.
Jae wrote:Don't mess with Big Stud! Heh, that name backwards is Duts Gib... sounds like a Bee Gee. But anyway, wouldn't be the first time someone's argument never made sense... I'm out like a black jewish pakistani named Jamal

Refreshing...to say the least...to have a nice ol' Jae post.
stud wrote:uh..they started it??

Um, no, we didn't. All I (not nbalive.org) did was post my opinion on someone's patch, you're the one who decided to start a "jihad" against me and my associates.
stud wrote:all i got to say is why did he have to criticize in such a way? couldnt he have done it in a respectful manner? explain..

It was comparatively respectful. I could've attacked the guy personally for his opinions.
Denys wrote:You always say that most of the posters on this forum are idiot, and as much as that is somewhat true, expressing sarcasm towards others over and over does not make the forum any better.

Most? Try all...including myself before anyone decides to get pissy.
Denys wrote:Ben, i agree that you have the right to your opinion, but you could do it in a different way. If you would have said something like "Wow guys, take it easy... its just a patch." then people might not being annoyed by the sarcasm you were displaying.

I'm not going to fault myself or change just because someone can't handle a wee bit of sarcasm or harsh criticism.
stud wrote:sarcasm my ass. so when i start making bad comments on someone's patch..thats sarcasm as well?

It was sarcasm. Followed by honest criticism. If you make "bad" comments (whatever those are...) on someone's patch, they're "bad" comments. If you do it sarcastically, that's sarcasm. Simple.
stud wrote:if it aint the best odom patch..at least it looks like him and not this crap...

Translated with added sarcasm: I'm not insulting this patch because of a personal issue or anything. I'm not insulting this patch in more areas than the original thread because of a personal issue or anything.
stud wrote:but again i did say i was a starter dumb***

Why curse and insult someone?
denys wrote:If you look at a dictionary, sarcasm is NOT A GOOD THING!

Neither are drugs, cars or pieces of paper. Yet millions, if not billions use them everyday.
Dan wrote:Relax Travis be glad I didn't start about the birthdate of your girlfriend being in your nickname...
and thanks for ignoring all my points and getting straight to the most important point, your sucky cyberface.

Like I said at the start Dan. While you may be being honorable (honourable) in your actions, they are becoming personal attacks and there's no true need for that.
stud wrote:keep going..ur just making me laugh..whata fool!! newayz..its my cyberface punkass..like it or not i told u all that i am a starter but i will improve frm time. u talk bout cyberfaces..ya those guyz make lots of them and they r good but when they step into jerseyz..they cant do shit..i say no match for jowe or travis..no wonder i dont see any jerseyz?? wonder why punk..

The sad thing is...you aren't going to get any punishment for anything you're doing. Tony and Alex used to make jerseys but have had no motivation to do 2003 ones as of yet.

aight well put. i went a bit over the line so i apologize. ill keep quiet now, anyhow..thx for the time ben. im ending this.

by **Rens** on Fri Jan 31, 2003 9:59 pm

Ben wrote:
Dan wrote:Relax Travis be glad I didn't start about the birthdate of your girlfriend being in your nickname...
and thanks for ignoring all my points and getting straight to the most important point, your sucky cyberface.

Like I said at the start Dan. While you may be being honorable (honourable) in your actions, they are becoming personal attacks and there's no true need for that.

True, I was thinking one of these swipes compared to a ton from the other side wouldn't matter that much, but still it's one too many...

Good reply Ben I hope someone will actually do something with this (and the entire thread).

by **Dert** on Fri Jan 31, 2003 11:26 pm

If you go to dictionary.com you will find this definiton of sarcasm:

"1-A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
2-A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule."

I never said sarcasm was a good thing, it IS a good thing when you can recognise it though, that means you can have a chuckle over it and then see it for what it really is instead of acting all hurt.

By definiton, the DO know what it means and ARE acting the normal way towards it. YOU and some others may have a chuckle over it, but the person who is the end of the butt will never and you should expect them to be offended.

I'm not going to fault myself or change just because someone can't handle a wee bit of sarcasm or harsh criticism.

That's fine, but you know sarcasm is bad. So you know that by keeping this up in the way you are, you are helping to drawing away "the good posters" and "good post".

by **Rens** on Sat Feb 01, 2003 12:08 am

Dert wrote:So you know that by keeping this up in the way you are, you are helping to drawing away "the good posters" and "good post".

You have to realise that had already happened quite a while ago (back in the days before phpBB.. I don't remember you from there but you might've been there, posting or lurking).

by **Dert** on Sat Feb 01, 2003 1:46 am

Yeah. I was there, posting... And I realize that it was back in the days of the black board that "the good posters" were retiring, but I also know that back in those days, as Jae said " sarcasm was the name of the game". And I know Ben was there with HIS sarcasm too.

by **Rens** on Sat Feb 01, 2003 2:55 am

Alright all said and done about sarcasm. Let's see if this thread will actually lead to something useful (which it can)

by **JHova** on Sat Feb 01, 2003 4:49 am

Relax Travis be glad I didn't start about the birthdate of your girlfriend being in your nickname...

Go Rens!

And I know this may be a bit late... but seriously... Duts Gib, is it really necessary to quote the entire post... like the quotes of other quotes of other quotes, then the replies...

by em on Sat Feb 01, 2003 5:03 am

i see u guyz keep going on when im stopping already..andrew if u read this, i think u should delete this whole thread and if people dont stop bringing this subject up. i think u should start banning or deleting names because they r calling me travis who i am not. they gotz no proof when he (travis) hasnt said a word for months or even has post on here since the last time..they bring up travis' name because he didnt get along wit them so when i dont like people that criticize others they say i am him as well..u need to do something bout this..

-eric m.

by **Rens** on Sat Feb 01, 2003 5:35 am

big_stud12585 wrote:i see u guyz keep going on when im stopping already..andrew if u read this, i think u should delete this whole thread and if people dont stop bringing this subject up.

So, instead of actually doing something with it, stuff needs to be covered up again and pretend it didn't happen?

big_stud12585 wrote:i think u should start banning or deleting names because they r calling me travis who i am not.

What a reason to delete someone. I've seen worse reasons, I didn't agree with those either.. read the rules if there's anything about calling someone a non-offensive name which isn't theirs.

big_stud12585 wrote:they gotz no proof when he (travis) hasnt said a word for months or even has post on here since the last time..they bring up travis' name because he didnt get along wit them so when i dont like people that criticize others they say i am him as well..u need to do something bout this..

I thought you didn't even know travis is? How come suddenly you think you know something about the history between Travis and others?

by em on Sat Feb 01, 2003 5:56 am

Dan Gadzuric wrote:So, instead of actually doing something with it, stuff needs to be covered up again and pretend it didn't happen?

i didnt say u need to cover it up and pretend it never happen..i just say whatever happen was useless and it had nothing to do with live or patching anymore because u brought up "sarcasm". so if it was just sarcasm i apologize to ben. i did apologize to him above if u did not see it..

big_stud12585 wrote:aight well put. i went a bit over the line so i apologize. ill keep quiet now, anyhow..thx for the time ben. im ending this.

Dan Gadzuric wrote:What a reason to delete someone. I've seen worse reasons, I didn't agree with those either.. read the rules if there's anything about calling someone a non-offensive name which isn't theirs.

all i say is it should end. i am not travis so i shouldnt be put under his problems wit everyone here..i see its not fair to say he did sumthing that he did not do.

Dan Gadzuric wrote:I thought you didn't even know travis is? How come suddenly you think you know something about the history between Travis and others?

when did i say i dont knw him? i knw him since the nlsc has the old board and i knw him now because i use his patches?

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