A bunch of nonsense involving Muslims and Terror

[Riot]

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Nasrallah declared: "Defending the prophet should continue all over the world. Let Condoleezza Rice and Bush and all the tyrants shut up. We are an Islamic nation that cannot tolerate, be silent or be lax when they insult our prophet and sanctities."

"We will uphold the messenger of God not only by our voices but also by our blood," he told the crowds, estimated by organizers at about 700,000. Police officers had no final estimates but put the figure at even higher.

This is insane. You have no idea how angry I am right now. Whenever these kind of stories come out, and there are a lot of them, I just lose it. I'm beaming red right now. There is smoke coming out of my ears. WHO THE HELL DO THEY THINK THEY ARE?

Where do I begin? First thing is first, they are upset at America for forcing our Western culture on them (which we aren't). However, here they are trying to force their Muslim culture on the whole world. I honestly do not give a flying fuck about Muhammed and I'd draw a picture and send it to every Muslim in the world if I had the time. I think President Bush hit the nail on the head. We have freedom of the press and we have freedom of speach, even though we should be thoughtful when we use it we still can't censor everything that will offend someone. Maybe someone on here who is Muslim or knows a lot about Islam can tell me why the hell Muslims care so much about what Western (or European) people have to say about their religion? Who cares if we depict Muhammed. Sure, they can be offended but preaching for blood? Over a fucking comic? Give me a break.

That carries me into my next point. They are using freedom of the press (Iranian newspaper is holding a comic contest about depicting the Halocaust) and freedom of speach to try to get censorship of the press around the world. Does that make sense? Do you guys see the contradiction in most of these points that the extremists are making? It's unbelievable.

I know these people don't speak on behalf of all the Muslims, I know there is a great majority who don't want violence. But I just get so angry when I hear these extremists PREACH for blood over the stupidest things. These guys are animals and they should be SLAUGHTERED like animals. It seems like all they want to do is fight, fight, fight. It seems like they are born to fight and they are addicted to it. I know what I'm writing right now is a contradiction because I'm upset at them wanting blood and here I am wanting blood for them wanting blood. I'm writing this post in blind anger right now and it will eventually go away. I'm just struggling to comprend the Muslim extremist mind and their thought process. If they want blood they will have blood. However, on behalf of America and our allies, we will make sure that blood is their own.



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[J@3]

No one in the entire World actually has freedom. I do like the contradiction there, "these guys are animals so we should slaughter them"... because that would be the human thing to do, right?

[Riot]

Like I said, I know what I'm saying is a contradiction by it is a mere reaction, or effect per say, of the Muslim extremist ways.

[Mazzocchi]

I drew Allah AND Muhammad in my notebook today in school.
What are the Muslims gonna do?

that's what I thought.

[dada]

I have been having issues over these comics also with some friends of mine for the last week or so. I had no initial problem wiht the first publication of the comics way back when, but it was the reprint that kind of bothered me. At that point it turned into provocation. Right now it is not even about the comics, but it is more about the assault on the dignity of their religion and people. Funny enough I was watching a Friedman article about the muslim's hatred of America and this one young lady commented about how Muslim/Middle East/Terrorism are words which are always connected. These comics are basically another instance of feeding the public this notion through mass media. I heard someone once say humiliation is very underrated when it comes to international relations. We cannot really sit here in the comfort of our homes and try to relate with the emotions these people are feeling. I would be angry myself if when the U.s. is bombed and 300 people die the whole world mourns, but when the U.S. bombs countless villages killing thousands of lives in search of one person everybody brushes it off when they hear it on the news. What makes U.S. blood more important than theirs (thats a whole other issue)?

I am not one to support violence or I am not trying to justify their actions because this said violence is against their religion I believe. We cannot expect a theocratic society to just change into a democratic one overnight or even a couple years. We can say "Oh the women are opressed etc" but when you really look into it, many of the educated women there really dont share that view.
edit: We also need to look at the statistics on spousal abuse in America.

PS. I gotta run so there might be errors in this post since I didnt read it over.

[Riot]

They can be pissed all they want at it but they shouldn't shed blood over it. Plus, they aren't just upset at the bomb that was on Mohammed's head in the comic. They are upset that was depicted, period. It's stupid.

And the difference between 9/11 and those bombings is 9/11 was intentional and was aimed at having the most innocent lives killed as possible. The bombing raids are meant to capture and kill bad guys to limit innocent lives lost. But there are always two sides to the story so I guess we continue to fight.

[Dro]

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Riot, I understand that you understand that it's the extremists who are protesting wildly and calling for blood. That said, you did make an unneccessary comment. You don't care about Muhammad? Fine. But over 1 Billion people in the world do. Bush said that we should be thoughtful of others when we use our freedom of speech. That not only goes for the protestors, but it also goes for you, and that T-Shirt isn't very thoughtful (though I take no offense to it).

Now here's what I don't understand; why are Muslims the only people taking offense to the comics? Muhammad was a messenger of God, and correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Christians and Jews believe that as well? If someone made a comic negatively portraying Jesus, Moses, Noah, etc. I would take just as much offense to it as I would to Muhammad's.

And on a side note...this news is taking the public's eye off Iraq. I bet Mr. President is jumping for joy right now

[dada]

They can be pissed all they want at it but they shouldn't shed blood over it. Plus, they aren't just upset at the bomb that was on Mohammed's head in the comic. They are upset that was depicted, period. It's stupid.

I believe its more about the bomb on the head rather than the depiction. Mohammed has been depicted numerous times and many years before in their culture even though it is forbidden, but it is the manner (negative) and time in which it is presented that caused the outrage.

edit: in this link you can also see Islamic depictions of mohammed as well as the comics. http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/

And the difference between 9/11 and those bombings is 9/11 was intentional and was aimed at having the most innocent lives killed as possible. The bombing raids are meant to capture and kill bad guys to limit innocent lives lost.

So bombing an entire village to kill one guy who was not even there is a means for limiting the amount of lives lost? Seems more to me that maybe its to limit the amount of american soldiers who may die, but I dont believe the lives of those people were taken into account when they decided to go with that action. Again, when these people die its just labelled as casualties of war (or w/e term) and we forget about them tomorrow. Its rather reckless in my opinion.

And on a side note...this news is taking the public's eye off Iraq. I bet Mr. President is jumping for joy right now

But he is also being criticized for the comments he made about Iran and how the actions of the administration at present regarding the issue is so similar to the pre-Iraq period. Some people feel another war is looming. I sure hope not.

[Dro]

But he is also being criticized for the comments he made about Iran and how the actions of the administration at present regarding the issue is so similar to the pre-Iraq period. Some people feel another war is looming. I sure hope not.[/quote]

I hope not as well. All my family lives in Iran, most of them being in Tehran.

[Axel]

There's an election year looming closer each day. I only hope it reaches us before another war.

[Riot]

I believe its more about the bomb on the head rather than the depiction. Mohammed has been depicted numerous times and many years before in their culture even though it is forbidden, but it is the manner (negative) and time in which it is presented that caused the outrage.

edit: in this link you can also see Islamic depictions of mohammed as well as the comics. http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/

Whatever, I'm not an expert on Islam and I never said I was. Thanks for correcting me, though. I appreciate it.

So bombing an entire village to kill one guy who was not even there is a means for limiting the amount of lives lost? Seems more to me that maybe its to limit the amount of american soldiers who may die, but I dont believe the lives of those people were taken into account when they decided to go with that action. Again, when these people die its just labelled as casualties of war (or w/e term) and we forget about them tomorrow. Its rather reckless in my opinion.

Well first off, we get intelligence saying that a terrorist leader is meeting with terrorist suspects in this village. Most of the time, that village knows they are there and they aren't turning them in. In fact, they are protecting and hiding them. Like President Bush says, we will not distinguish between terrorists and those who hide them. If you aren't against terrorists you are with them, that is our mind set. I'm not saying everyone who died was protecting them and what not because that would be false.

I know you won't believe me but I'm upset that those lives had to be lost. I'm an angry man and I want to fight because of the extremists. I don't want innocent lives to die, period. It doesn't matter if they are American, Iraqi, Canadian, Dutch, French, Iranian, etc. I don't care. I want to see those who deserve to die, to die, and I want those who deserve to live, to live. Bottom line. It's a dog eat dog world out there. If you don't kill them they will kill you. That's the 21st century for you.

But he is also being criticized for the comments he made about Iran and how the actions of the administration at present regarding the issue is so similar to the pre-Iraq period. Some people feel another war is looming. I sure hope not.

The democrats are completely pathetic. They are desperate and they are throwing cheap, dirty insults at President Bush every time a microphone is thrown in their face. At Martin Luther King Jr.'s wife's funeral President Jimmy Carter and some Rev dude talked about WMD's and wire tapping. What the hell? The funeral is no place for a political opinion. Too many people think just because you are given a microphone means you can express your opinion on politics, that goes for President Jimmy Carter all the way to Kayne West.

The wire-tapping? Perfectly fine and my understanding is it is perfectly legal.

The WMD's? Saddam had them and if we didn't take him out he would have again.

No matter what President Bush does he will get bashed for by democrats. President Bush could walk on water, stop a tsnaumi from destroying and killing millions and create a cure for AIDs and people would bash him for how much money he wasted and how he needs to spend more time in the White House.

[Riot]

There's an election year looming closer each day. I only hope it reaches us before another war.

Oh, you can bet that there will be more "wars" in the Middle East. Countries like Syria and Iran are in our scopes and we're already conducting military operations in there. Of course, none of it would be an invasion the size of Iraq but we need to take out quite a few "key" guys in Iran and Syria. My main concern right now is Iran and I'm not too happy with them myself.

1. They said they want to "wipe Israel off the map."
2. They want to create a nuclear program.
3. They won't stop their nuclear program, instead they increase funding.
4. They threaten America if we refer them to the U.N. Security Council.

There are more examples but those are the four I'm concerned about. Something tells me that they aren't going to use their nuclear capabilities for power.

[J@3]

The WMD's? Saddam had them and if we didn't take him out he would have again.

Can you give some links or something to prove that, for my own curiosity.

[Matthew]

Another war? Yeah, it's better to just stand there with your hands behind your back and cop terror attack after terror attack in your own country.

As for muslims, I couldn't care less about them; they are generally sub human filth. This whole "underdog" and "us against the world" mentallity died when the slaves were free'd. Speaking of which...

Lets compare the ways the africian americans took to gain acceptance, and compare that to what muslims are doing around the world. Did Martin Luther King go and blow up busses full of everyday civillians? No of course not. What he (and alot of blacks) was prove to the rest of america and the world they are the same by exhibiting inteligence and maturity, something the majority of muslims wouln't understand.

Now, don't get me wrong, there were the black panthers, and there are some really smart muslims out there. But where's the maturity? A cartoon was drawn, whoopdefucking do. I wonder how they would react had september 11, bali, the russian school seige etc had happened to them? Yet despite these much bigger attrocities, did you see everyday christians and "Westerners" rioting on all muslim's? No.

And thats a comparison of much more different scales. I could understand rioting in retaliation for september 11 and the russian school seige. I cant understand the rioting over a cartoon. You often see comics making fun of George Bush, depicting him as the devil and so fourth, but do you see rioting? Ok, I know President Bush isnt the religous savior that Mohammed is to Muslims, but how about this: Jesus Christ superstar? That was a play made up portraying jesus as a weed smoking homosexual, did you see christians rioting against the nation who made that? No of course not.

Thats why muslims (generally speaking) are not accepted and no sympathy is shown. The level of ignorance on their part is second to none. They expect people to feel sorry for them when dictators are overthrown like they have a free pass to kill as many civillians as possible. They expect countries who have nothing to do with them to follow the belief's of islam. Lets look at Denmark though. They (terrorists) murdered a film maker over there in the name of islam, and they honestly expect people to respect such a religon?

I know not all muslims are terrorists, but if you don't denounce such acts, in my opinion, you support it. Theres no way you can sit on the fence.

As for this thread, you have to love it how everything is turned into an evil conspiracy by President George Bush, like he is to blame for terrorists being blood hungry motherfuckers who target civillians and their muslim leaders who don't do enough to renounce what they do "in the name of islam".

But what people also fail to recognise is terrorist factions in the muslim world began during the clinton administration, not during the bush. So why is it whenever there is an outbreak of violence its George Bush's fault for "invading Iraq"?

[Matthew]

The WMD's? Saddam had them and if we didn't take him out he would have again.

Can you give some links or something to prove that, for my own curiosity.

Jae, even if there is no evidence of them, can you run the risk of them having such weapons?

[Riot]

The WMD's? Saddam had them and if we didn't take him out he would have again.

Can you give some links or something to prove that, for my own curiosity.

http://www.spidersmill.com/gwvrl/iraqi_wmd.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1437528/posts

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=47443

I can't find any links about him in the 1990's really, but he ADMITTED to having Weapons of Mass Destruction. He admitted he had chemical weapons and he used them on his own people. He then would not let U.N. Weapon Inspectors into Iraq for abour four years or so and then when he does let them in he cannot account for all the weapons he said he had. Interesting?

[Matthew]

Riot, people will only believe what they are led to believe. If they are led to think George Bush is the be all and end all to the worlds problems, thats what they believe.

It's scary how dependant 95% of the world is on the media. "SHCAPELLE CORBY IS INNOCENT DICKHEADS!!!!" lol.

[Riot]

But what people also fail to recognise is terrorist factions in the muslim world began during the clinton administration, not during the bush. So why is it whenever there is an outbreak of violence its George Bush's fault for "invading Iraq"?

You are right, President Clinton had a ton of warnings and intelligence about extremists and terrorists cells outside, and inside, America. In fact, there were quite a few terrorist attacks on American civilians and President Clinton vowed revenge, yet he never did it. He never backed up his word. President Bush took over in an AWFUL period and is forced to clean up the mess President Clinton left, and I'm not talking about the stain on the rug. Bashing President Bush for fighting terrorism is as low as it goes.

[Matthew]

Agreed up until a point. I don't think its completely fair to blame it all on Bill Clinton either. When are we going to start to put the majority of the blame on terrorists?

[Riot]

http://www.nysun.com/article/27110

A new article (2/7/06) about tapes of Saddam are being reviewed and studied and he might be talking about WMD's. This could be a breakthrough, it's amazing how this is getting so little attention, eh?

[Riot]

Agreed up until a point. I don't think its completely fair to blame it all on Bill Clinton either. When are we going to start to put the majority of the blame on terrorists?

Well, of course I put all the blame on the terrorists. I'm saying President Clinton had a lot of chances to stop and fight them but he didn't. In fact, he had about 4-5 chances to capture Osama Bin Laden but he called them all off. And when Clinton left office he knew about the 9/11 plot.

[dada]

Well, I agree that it may seem whatever happens Bush is to blame, and it is kind of unreasonable because the decisions he makes isnt only from his judgement. I am neither a Republican or a Democrat, I did not grow up here so its hard for me to associate with any group. I grew up in Jamaica where we deal with JLP, PNP and so forth. I would love to associate with Democrats but everytime I gain some interest they do or say something stupid to make me wonder if they have lost their minds. Republicans on the other hand seem to always have something wedged between their butt-cheeks. Right now I believe it wouldnt make a difference who was in power because things would probably go down the same way. All I can do is comment on the issues in front of me and go from there.
edit:Of course the actions of terrorists are unacceptable, but the American retaliation with this careless attitude of 'they hit us first so its a free for all' isnt really responsible on their part (I mean, I dont believe raping their women is a necessary military action) .

[Matthew]

http://www.nysun.com/article/27110

A new article (2/7/06) about tapes of Saddam are being reviewed and studied and he might be talking about WMD's. This could be a breakthrough, it's amazing how this is getting so little attention, eh?

It gets no attention becuase it makes nearly all the media outlets who criticised the war look incredibly stupid and wrong.

Whats even more disturbing, is that people will see that, and not believe it. Yet they will follow what some anti George Bush or anti american comentator says on their local news channel.

[cyanide]

I can't believe this has blown out of proportion. It's a cartoon expressed in the right of freedom of speech, but it just so happens to conflict with religion. Two fundamental rights clash and then it's all over the media? Just beautiful, create more attention, create more conflict.

[Amphatoast]

this is bad... first the jews get hatred, now the muslims r getting it... difference is muslims ain't afraid to commit suicide..

all this over a cartoon..incredible..