The truth about 9/11

[thaKEAF]

I was bored last night and saw this documentary called "Loose Change" posted up on a site so I decided to check it out. After just a couple of minutes it really made what happened that day seem really really strange. I've always believed that terrorists alone were behind what happened but if you watch this you'll really be shocked and think different. It's not some conspiracy theory or anything, everything that is talked about is backed up REALLY good. For anyone who thinks they know what happened on that day, you gotta check this out.

Here are parts 1 and 2 of the documentary, I've only watched part 1 so far..

PART 1

http://rapidshare.de/files/3385038/Loos ... 1.zip.html

PART 2

http://rapidshare.de/files/3385987/Loos ... 2.zip.html

[Wormy10]

I tried to downoad it, I waited 43 seconds for the download ticket and I click the link to download it and it doesnt do a thing, it takes me to a screen that has nothing to do with the download, it has a search bar for me to upload something

[Jackal]

Mines downloading...

Ah shit, now I've got to wait an hour before part two? What a load of shit.

[thaKEAF]

I tried to downoad it, I waited 43 seconds for the download ticket and I click the link to download it and it doesnt do a thing, it takes me to a screen that has nothing to do with the download, it has a search bar for me to upload something

Had you downloading something from rapidshare before that?

Just got done watching the second part which I think is better than the first and I'm convinced that the world was lied to about 9/11. If you haven't checked it out yet you gotta check it out, it's crazy.

[Riot]

It is a conspiracy theory and there are no facts. The fact is not only did Al-Queda take credit for it but we have phone calls from people on the airliners talking to their loved ones about the plane being hijacked by middle eastern men.

[Matt]

what's the jist of this?

[cyanide]

Yeah, I'd like a summary of what it's about before having to watch it. It sounds interesting. The title is, Loose Change right?

[thaKEAF]

Yeah that's the name of it.

It basically is a guy who has done alot of research on mostly everything related to 9/11. On one part he slows down when one of the planes hit the WTC and you see that the building explodes BEFORE the plane actually hits. He then talks about how a plane couldn't have hit the Pentagon because there was only a small circle on the side with no sign of the wings or anything. Another thing is that people said they heard it fly RIGHT above their car but he shows what would happen if a plane was that low, it shows a plane fly over a car and the car flies off the road. He also asks why we never see the plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon and why their was no sign of the plane that crashed in the field. Another thing is that he believes explosives were inside the World Trade Center and he shows why he believes that. He gives many quotes from people who were there and also from news people who said they heard numerous explosions from the inside of the building. He slows down the video of the towers collapsing and you see many small explosions from different parts of the tower. He then shows news anchors talking on that day about how the towers fell like they were supposed to be part of a demolition, and we get a quote of a witness who says he saw many flashes and explosions near the garage of the tower. He then cuts to a documentary from the NY Police Department on 9/11 where we see a couple of firemen talking. They talk about how they didn't expect the lobby to be in the condition it was in, they say it was pretty much destroyed and bodies were everywhere. If the planes hit all the way at the top why was the lobby in the condition that it was? He also states that only three buildings have ever collapsed in history because of fire, and those are the Twin Towers and the smaller world trade center building. How could someone get bombs in the WTC? Weeks before 9/11 different parts of the WTC were shut off for "re-wiring" and all security cameras were off. And on the day of 9/11, the camera on top of the WTC that was used for news pictures was off for some reason. Back to the Pentagon, there were some army vets in the area that said they knew what a missle sounded like and that's what they heard. And the plane that crashed in that field, many people said they saw an army type plane flying low in the area before and after the crash. He also talks about how the towers couldn't have collapsed because of fire because the material it was made out of would only melt at a certain temperature which was not the temperature of the WTC. Many people also said the planes didn't have windows and didn't look like a commercial flight. I'm not Anti-Bush or one of those "THE GOVERMENT IS AFTER US!1" guys but this docmentary really made me think and I suggest you all check it out.

[afgshady]

when i try to open it wit winrar it says it needs a pasword wuts is the password

[Jackal_]

Yeah that's the name of it.

It basically is a guy who has done alot of research on mostly everything related to 9/11. On one part he slows down when one of the planes hit the WTC and you see that the building explodes BEFORE the plane actually hits. He then talks about how a plane couldn't have hit the Pentagon because there was only a small circle on the side with no sign of the wings or anything. Another thing is that people said they heard it fly RIGHT above their car but he shows what would happen if a plane was that low, it shows a plane fly over a car and the car flies off the road. He also asks why we never see the plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon and why their was no sign of the plane that crashed in the field. Another thing is that he believes explosives were inside the World Trade Center and he shows why he believes that. He gives many quotes from people who were there and also from news people who said they heard numerous explosions from the inside of the building. He slows down the video of the towers collapsing and you see many small explosions from different parts of the tower. He then shows news anchors talking on that day about how the towers fell like they were supposed to be part of a demolition, and we get a quote of a witness who says he saw many flashes and explosions near the garage of the tower. He then cuts to a documentary from the NY Police Department on 9/11 where we see a couple of firemen talking. They talk about how they didn't expect the lobby to be in the condition it was in, they say it was pretty much destroyed and bodies were everywhere. If the planes hit all the way at the top why was the lobby in the condition that it was? He also states that only three buildings have ever collapsed in history because of fire, and those are the Twin Towers and the smaller world trade center building. How could someone get bombs in the WTC? Weeks before 9/11 different parts of the WTC were shut off for "re-wiring" and all security cameras were off. And on the day of 9/11, the camera on top of the WTC that was used for news pictures was off for some reason. Back to the Pentagon, there were some army vets in the area that said they knew what a missle sounded like and that's what they heard. And the plane that crashed in that field, many people said they saw an army type plane flying low in the area before and after the crash. He also talks about how the towers couldn't have collapsed because of fire because the material it was made out of would only melt at a certain temperature which was not the temperature of the WTC. Many people also said the planes didn't have windows and didn't look like a commercial flight. I'm not Anti-Bush or one of those "THE GOVERMENT IS AFTER US!1" guys but this docmentary really made me think and I suggest you all check it out.

It's actually pretty interesting stuff, one thing I noticed on September 11 was when the planes hit the WTC Cnn quickly showed "Live" footage of some countries in the middle east celebrating and burning american flags..while I was watching the footage I noticed it was daytime there when in actuallity it should of been night time there. This was also brought up by a civil group out of Washington and CNN never showed the footage again. I wrote a paper last year about this and the majority of my class agreed with me on it..

[Riot]

The reason why there are no wings in the pentagon is because they exploded and basically were blown into pieces because of the intensity of the fire.

You think it really wasn't airliners? Then what happened to all those flights that got hijacked and never landed? Were those just "set ups"? What about all the familes that had loved ones on the airlines who called them telling them their plane got hijacked? Is that false too?

Have you seen the 9/11 commission report? I suggest to check it out. It's a freaking novel. They studied it a lot more than that one guy did. I also suggest watching Inside 9/11 from the National Geographic channel. It gives you great insight on what happened leading up to 9/11 and on the day of 9/11.

[thaKEAF]

I forgot that it had a password, my bad..

The password is "loose".

[thaKEAF]

The reason why there are no wings in the pentagon is because they exploded and basically were blown into pieces because of the intensity of the fire.

I'm not sure what I believe but if a ENTIRE plane ran into the pentagon, why was there just a small hole which a plane couldn't have fit through? There's no wings or anything on the outside and there's no way they could have got on the inside. They also said that the plane slid on the ground and slammed into the Pentagon, but there's no marks on the ground or anything.

I haven't checked out the commision report, got a link to it?

[Riot]

It's a book (actually it's a freaking novel).

And the plane could have fit through that hole. Easily.

Edit: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/

[Riot]

[thaKEAF]

If the plane would've got in there it would've had to leave some stuff on the outside, but it didn't.

Another thing is how they said all of the black boxes except for one were destroyed in the World Trade Center, but somehow one of the terrorists passport survives and the FBI finds it in the street.

[thaKEAF]

Thanks for the link, Riot.

[Riot]

Think for a minute. A jetliner is going over 400mph and it smacks right into a brick building. The plane practically self-destructed. The flames were so intense firefighters couldn't get the blaze out for ove 20 hours.

I don't know how they found a passport, I wouldn't put it as impossible. But what are you trying to say? Those airplanes weren't hijacked? If you think no, tell me where those airplanes and hundreds of people went. And what did we see hit the WTC and crash in the field in Penn?

I saw that video over and over again and people who actually think the government planned it is beyond conspiracy. Does it bring up some interesting questions? Yes. But does is have enough facts to back up all the facts that the 9/11 commission report brings up? No.

[Colin]

The people that end up believing these things are the ones who have never seen any information about the subject before. The same thing happened when one of my friend's saw a 'rock and roll is spreading the devil and hatred' kind of film that talked about Pagan religion. The guy brought up a few decent points, but he also ignores things that prove he is wrong.

[Jackal_]

But does is have enough facts to back up all the facts that the 9/11 commission report brings up? No.

You seem to forget that the "9/11 Commission" consists of Americans.. nice way to cover up their own mess.. but again that could just be a conspiracy

[cyanide]

On one part he slows down when one of the planes hit the WTC and you see that the building explodes BEFORE the plane actually hits

This one I actually want to check out in slo motion. What I don't get is, why would they want to make it explode before the plane hit? The plane could've exploded on its own. All those "mini" explosives could be flammable shit, and the infrastructure of the building could be damaged, causing the collapse. I heard about the Pentagon conspiracy too, but that's something I'll look into. I think I'll check the videos out, but really, I'm not convinced.

[thaKEAF]

I'm not 100% convinced either cause like Riot said, how did the 100s of people just vanish? But I do believe that we haven't been told the 100% truth on what happened.

[Riot]

If you read the 9/11 commission report you'll see what happened.

The 9/11 commission report is completely un-biased. In fact, they point out all these things that America could have done to prevent the attacks. All the warning signs and tips the FBI got before the event actually happened. The American people wanted to know what happened and the commission was put together and they interviewed all these people and did all this research.

Of course, I haven't read the whole thing. Not even close. But I read some of it and I watched Inside 9/11 parts one and two on National Geographic. It was basically the comission report via video.

[Jackal_]

I declare JIHAD on Riot!

[Riot]

Bring it, scum breath.