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America to start nuclear war?

Postby Riot on Sun Oct 02, 2005 3:37 pm


Mired in interminable conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Bush administration is moving toward initiating two more wars, one with Iran and one with North Korea. With no US troops available, the Bush administration is revamping US war doctrine to allow for "preventative nuclear attack." In short, the Bush administration is planning to make the US the first country in history to initiate war with nuclear weapons. The Pentagon document, "Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations," calls for the use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear adversaries in order "to ensure success of US and multinational operations."

In the case of Iran and North Korea, the Bush administration is using diplomacy not for diplomatic purposes of reaching agreements, but in order to set the two countries up for nuclear attack. In the case of Iran, the Bush administration's plan is now obvious. The Bush administration is leveling false charges against Iran, just as it did against Iraq, of conspiring to make nuclear weapons. These charges are known to be false by the Bush administration and by the entire world.

For the past two years the International Atomic Energy Agency has had unfettered access to inspect Iran for any sign of a nuclear weapons program. The head of the IAEA has announced that there is no sign of a weapons program. The Bush administration nevertheless insists that Iran is making weapons, but can produce no evidence. As in the case of Iraq, the Bush administration substitutes allegations for facts.

Gordon Prather, an expert on the subject, has reported the straight facts in fine detail. Readers can become familiar with them by consulting his archive at Antiwar.com.

By bullying the 35 members of the IAEA, the Bush administration last week managed to get 22 votes that could lead to the referral of Iran to the UN Security Council. The Bush administration will now lobby for the referral. Once it has the referral, even if the Security Council does not act on it, the Bush administration can use it as an excuse to attack Iran. The Bush administration knows that few Americans have any knowledge of international law and procedures and will simply believe whatever President Bush says. The highly concentrated US media is a proven walkover for the warmongering Bush administration.

As Dr. Prather has shown, Iran has gone beyond compliance to propose that new additional safeguards be established to monitor its nuclear energy program. The bad intentions are on the part of the Bush administration.

The Bush administration's plan is to create Iranian intransigence in place of cooperation by forcing the Iranian government to stand up to the bullying by reducing its cooperation. The goal of the Bush administration is to attack Iran, not to create cooperative relationships.

Needless to say, Iranians are angry at the Bush administration's manipulation of the IAEA members. Last Wednesday protesters in Tehran attacked the British embassy, which serves as a proxy for the non-existent US embassy, and legislation was introduced that, if it passes, will scale back Iran's cooperation with the IAEA. Iran has also threatened to cut off oil deliveries to some of the countries that caved in to US pressure, thereby permitting the US to increase tensions and escalate the conflict.

The Bush administration is betting that it can demonize Iran the way it did Iraq. As both Congress and the American public have failed to hold Bush accountable for deceiving them about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, the administration assumes that its tactics will work a second time.

However, a nuclear attack on Iran would leave the Bush administration isolated. The US would instantly become a pariah nation, loathed and hated everywhere else.

Moreover, it would leave our battered troops in Iraq in a perilous situation. The only reason our army in Iraq has not been destroyed is that the Shi'ites, who comprise the vast majority of the population, have not taken up arms against us, expecting the US to turn over Iraq to them. As the Iraqi Shi'ites are allied with the Iranians, who also are Shi'ite, the US cannot attack Iran without destroying its position in Iraq.

The Bush administration, filled with hubris and delusion, is too stupid to know this.

The American people need to ask themselves why of all the countries in the world, only the US and Israel believe that it is imperative to attack Iran. If Iran is such a threat to the world, why isn't Russia, for example, concerned and ready to invade?

Americans need to ask themselves the same question about North Korea. Why is the US, half a world away, so concerned about North Korea? If North Korea is such a threat, would not China, sitting on its border, know it? Wouldn't Japan know it? South Korea? Wouldn't some other country besides the US see the problem and take action? According to the Voice of America (August 11, 2005), "Senior South Korean officials on Thursday defended what they say is North Korea's 'natural right' to pursue civilian nuclear power. The move may cause friction with the United States, which has expressed firm opposition to the North having any nuclear facilities whatsoever."

If the US doesn't want other countries to develop nuclear weapons, the US must stop bombing, invading and threatening invasions and nuclear attacks. How does President Bush serve the cause of peace by making countries paranoid by declaring them to be our enemies.

For there to be peace, the US must drop its belligerent role. The proper function of diplomacy is to build trust by drawing countries into economic and cultural relationships, not to isolate them for attack. It is past time for the US to give up its quarter century feud with Iran. US interference in Iranian internal affairs was the source of the feud. We need to acknowledge it and get over it.

The Korean war ended a half century ago. Isn't it time the US acknowledged the war's end and signed a treaty with North Korea? The Korean war was essentially a war between the US and China. It was Chinese troops that prevented American victory. Yet we are getting on with China, a much greater potential threat to the US than North Korea or Iran could ever be.

By creating instability in the Middle East, the US undermines Israel's security. As a few thousand Iraqi insurgents have proven, American armies are not going to be able to sit over the oil in the Middle East. If we can't produce enough valuable goods or maintain a strong currency, we won't have access to the oil. There is no possibility whatsoever of the US pushing around powers like China, India, or Russia.

Bush's hubris makes him unrealistic. He greatly overestimates America's power. Congress and the American people must find a way to supply the judgment that is missing in the executive branch.

There would be no terrorism if the US would stop interfering in the internal affairs of Middle Eastern countries and if Israel stopped stealing the West Bank from the Palestinians. The Bush administration knows this, and that is why the administration spreads the propagandistic lie that "they" (Muslims) hate us and our way of life. This lie is the excuse for American aggression.


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Even though Roberts is a knucklehead, it's an interesting read. Honestly, Roberts really doesn't know what he's talking about. Bush won't start a nuclear war unless he is forced to.

HOWEVER, I would personally support a War in Iran but not a War with North Korea. I just don't think nuclear weapons is the way to go, unless it's bunker buster nuke aimed at specific sites in Iran.

Honestly, I don't think North Korea is that big of a threat to us, or atleast as big of a problem as Iran is.
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Postby cyanide on Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:26 am

If the US doesn't want other countries to develop nuclear weapons, the US must stop bombing, invading and threatening invasions and nuclear attacks. How does President Bush serve the cause of peace by making countries paranoid by declaring them to be our enemies.

For there to be peace, the US must drop its belligerent role. The proper function of diplomacy is to build trust by drawing countries into economic and cultural relationships, not to isolate them for attack. It is past time for the US to give up its quarter century feud with Iran. US interference in Iranian internal affairs was the source of the feud. We need to acknowledge it and get over it.


Interesting, although not entirely realistic.

I'm not one to favor a war, let alone a nuclear war, but things would get ugly if a war did start between Iran and America.

I expect Legend to say something on this matter :mrgreen:
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Postby Riot on Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:38 am

If countries are upset about America having nuclear weapons and capabilites (we need nuclear power plants and nuclear energy as a country) then they can bring it up with the United Nations. They are the group that creates the sancations and the policies. It just so happens that America is the country that backs those policies and sancations up with force.

Does Iran and North Korea really think they should have a nuclear program? Like I said, I'm more worried about Iran than I am North Korea because the situation in Iran could become very serious, very fast. Isreal is basically threatening America saying if America doesn't do anything they will. It's becomming a nuclear stand-off, to a point.

However, we do have troops in Iran right now doing special forces missions and assinating key political leaders in Iran. The country doesn't have to be rebuilt like Iraq, it just needs a new government. That government is corrupt from top to bottom and the people deserve better. Iran is a very smart nation and they deserve to have a smart government that is for the people.

As for North Korea, I think they are bluffing. Jong really doesn't have the balls to press that little red button. He loves American movies too much to start a war with us. :lol:

Seriously though, I think America needs to take some kind of action against Iran (more than it's doing right now) and make a statement. I'm not saying start a nuclear war because that could have some very deadly effects on the world, but getting that government out of power. They need a government that is actually going to give money, supplies, ect to it's people. A government that is, gasp, actually for it's people. They need a government that is going to have a strong stand against terrorism. They need a government where they follow and play by the rules in the best interest of their people, not their egos.
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Postby Rip32 on Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:45 am

As for North Korea, I think they are bluffing. Jong really doesn't have the balls to press that little red button. He loves American movies too much to start a war with us. :lol:


No offense to Korean people but Jong can go blow himself up. Hes all talk i would hope. He also says he could win the Masters golf tourney in AMerica.

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Postby Riot on Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:52 am

North Korea in general can blow themselves. Jong doesn't have the balls to press the button or to invade South Korea.
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Postby Riot on Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:25 am

I just read an article where Isreal has told America the either America will end Iran's nuclear program or Isreal will. Dipomacy and referring them to the U.N. council won't do anything, Isreal has said. They want military force whether it be by America or themselves.

Like I said in an earlier post, this is turning into one big stand-off.
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Postby Jackal_ on Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:38 am

Riot, you just love the accusations dont you?

Jong indeed has the balls to blow your ass up. Trust me.. fuck.. another stupid thread on war by riot.. dude make some happy threads once in a while.. fuck.
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Postby Riot on Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:41 am

Jong has the balls to "blow America up"? Really? If that's the case, why doesn't he have the balls to invade South Korea? Perhaps because he is afraid of America's reaction?

North Korea hasn't tested their nuclear weapons. They don't know if can really hit the West Coast. However, America does know ours can get to North Korea and flatten them. North Korea and Jong would be in a lose-lose situation. If they try to nuke us, America will show no mercy and he'll be flatten in 30 minutes.

Another stupid thread by me? Gosh. I just posted an article and my opinion on the article and the situation. There is literally a nuclear stand-off going on right now and I thought it was big enough news to post about it. Holy fuck.
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Postby Jackal_ on Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:46 am

Another stupid thread by me? Gosh. I just posted an article and my opinion on the article and the situation. There is literally a nuclear stand-off going on right now and I thought it was big enough news to post about it. Holy fuck.


I think you watch too much Nancy Grace and CNN.

You have no voice in this matter, I have no voice in this matter. Just sit back and watch your retard for a president fuck everything up. I can sit here and try and convince you or give you 100 reasons to why you're wrong. But tell me dude, is it really worth it? Whether I'm a 100% right or not.. what you and I say about this matter wont mean shit. None of us will be right or wrong until it's over. And by the way it looks it will be soon. Maybe one of us wont survive to talk about it

Think about that a few times Riot, Uncle Sam Wants You! Fuck no he doesn't.. Uncle Sam just doesnt want to look like a pussy. Read that over a couple times.. it might click in.
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Postby Riot on Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:52 am

:roll: What's the point in talking about basketball? You can't change the way they play or what the GM does. What's the point in talking about anything you can't control? Maybe this should be a "Your life Forum" because it's the only thing you can control.

Retard of a president? Yeah, alright. Are you bitter over living in a communist country?

America won't "fuck it up". America will fix it, with or without anyone's help.
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Postby Jackal_ on Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:04 am

Riot wrote::roll: What's the point in talking about basketball? You can't change the way they play or what the GM does. What's the point in talking about anything you can't control? Maybe this should be a "Your life Forum" because it's the only thing you can control.

Retard of a president? Yeah, alright. Are you bitter over living in a communist country?

America won't "fuck it up". America will fix it, with or without anyone's help.


Patriotic.. :lol:

I live in Canada kid, not exactly a Communist Country. You're so brainwashed it's hilarious.
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Postby Riot on Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:07 am

Yeah, you think that. :wink:
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Postby FendeR` on Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:21 am

I swear, in makes me want to gouge my eyes with a crayon when I hear someone say "brainwashed".
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Postby Rip32 on Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:32 am

Legend wrote:Riot, you just love the accusations dont you?

Jong indeed has the balls to blow your ass up. Trust me.. fuck.. another stupid thread on war by riot.. dude make some happy threads once in a while.. fuck.


Legend you fuckin live in Canada, if he blows up the US, canadas going down too.

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Postby Jackal_ on Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:33 am

FendeR` wrote:I swear, in makes me want to gouge my eyes with a crayon when I hear someone say "brainwashed".


lmao why?
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Postby Jackal_ on Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:48 am

Rip32 wrote:
Legend wrote:Riot, you just love the accusations dont you?

Jong indeed has the balls to blow your ass up. Trust me.. fuck.. another stupid thread on war by riot.. dude make some happy threads once in a while.. fuck.


Legend you fuckin live in Canada, if he blows up the US, canadas going down too.

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um no.. we're not the number 1 hated country in the world ;)

Care to emphasize on your post Rip?
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Postby cyanide on Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:49 am

Riot wrote:Retard of a president? Yeah, alright. Are you bitter over living in a communist country?


:lol: It's not even close to Communist. Have you ever been to Canada? I think I gave you three separate posts on why it's not Communist in the past, and yet, you still think it's Communist.

You brainwashed fool. Sorry FendeR'


Rip32 wrote:Legend you fuckin live in Canada, if he blows up the US, canadas going down too.



:eh: What?
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Postby Riot on Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:51 am

The communist comment was suppose to be kind of a humerous/sarcastic comment.

If Jong did nuke America and "blow us up" it might not physically effect Canada but without America there would be no Canada. Without American's economy Canada would be nothing.
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Postby cyanide on Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:53 am

Not really. We have the natural resources to be a powerful country, anyway. Without Canada's natural resources, America would be nothing ;)
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Postby Riot on Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:55 am

Way more than half of Canada's population live near the American border. Why? Because many of them hold American jobs, go to Amercia to go shopping, to to America to get surgeries, ect.

And yes, I have been to Canada on a fishing trip through the boundary waters.
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Postby Jackal_ on Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:56 am

cyanide wrote:Not really. We have the natural resources to be a powerful country, anyway. Without Canada's natural resources, America would be nothing ;)


:lol: Word

Wait they might be able to substitute burger grease for oil..
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Postby cyanide on Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:00 am

Riot wrote:Way more than half of Canada's population live near the American border. Why? Because many of them hold American jobs, go to Amercia to go shopping, to to America to get surgeries, ect.

And yes, I have been to Canada on a fishing trip through the boundary waters.


Other than the fact it's colder up north, and the fact Toronto was a big population about a couple hundred years ago, it probably was just a coincidence, and has nothing to do with the fact most Canadian cities are near the border. Oh wait, Toronto's the only city near the border :lol:

Did you see polar bears and penguins on your fishing trip?

Edit: Ok, so Vancouver and Montreal are close to the border, but it has nothing to do with dependency on the American border.
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Postby Riot on Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:02 am

Sadly, I didn't see much wildlife on my fishing trip. Not even fish. :x
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Postby Cable on Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:03 am

Riot, did you pass by my igloo too?

Seriously, I think Canada would be okay without America. We would definately lose something by not having you there, but it's not like we wouldn't be able to support ourselves.
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Postby Jackal_ on Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:04 am

Riot wrote:Sadly, I didn't see much wildlife on my fishing trip. Not even fish. :x


The fish fucked off as soon as they heard your skank ass is coming.. :lol:
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