Asia relief donations... is it too much?

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Asia relief donations... is it too much?

Postby J@3 on Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:42 pm

World leaders have fallen into step with the remarkable outpouring of generosity from ordinary people as a huge increase in US Government relief pushed the global government fund for tsunami aid to $2.6billion.

A day after President George Bush increased the US pledge to $US350million ($448 million) the Japanese Prime Minister, Junichiro Koizumi, announced his country would contribute up to $US500million. Aid from the Australian Government totals $60million, while individual and corporate donations have passed $64million to four agencies in seven days, making it the country's greatest relief effort.

That figure already exceeds all emergency fundraising last year and is expected to double as other organisations tally the money they have collected and more donations flow through.

The secretary-general of the United Nations, Kofi Annan, said the world had responded generously to the largest disaster the UN had faced.

"In seven days we've got more money in response to the tsunami crisis than we did for all the humanitarian appeals we issued in 2004," he told US television.

"International compassion has never, ever been like this," said Jan Egeland, the UN's emergency relief co-ordinator, who is helping lead what looks to be the largest such effort in history.

Graham Tupper, the chief executive of the umbrella aid organisation the Australian Council of International Development, said Australian donors had been among the most generous in the world. "This is eclipsing anything we've seen before by a long way."

Agencies urged the public to give money rather than help in kind, with donations of food and clothing too expensive to transport and the region already inundated with health volunteers.

The Red Cross has received $30million in Australian donations and deployed 800 people in earthquake and tsunami relief around the Indian Ocean rim.

"We've had over a hundred years experience in disaster management, but we've never seen anything of this magnitude across so many countries," said Dale Cleaver, acting general secretary of the Australian Red Cross.

Australian money has helped victims in Thailand, Sri Lanka and India. Two hospitals in Aceh have received Red Cross medical supplies, and the first cargo plane from Oxfam arrived in the province yesterday, aiming to provide water supply systems for 60,000 survivors in refugee camps by tomorrow. Oxfam had received $7.6million in donations.

A team of experts from CARE Australia is due to arrive in Aceh today to direct early relief efforts.

A spokesman, Grant Thomas, said it was receiving about 160 telephone calls an hour and a similar number of internet donations, totalling $11.5million since Boxing Day.

The head of World Vision Australia, Tim Costello, who returned from Sri Lanka yesterday, said it would take a generation to rebuild affected nations.

"I saw things I wish I had never seen and I certainly wish no humans should ever, ever have suffered," he told radio 2GB.

The agency received $15.5million, including $72,000 from the Sydney Cricket Ground, yesterday.

The fundraising effort will be helped by tsunami relief cricket matches featuring an Asian eleven versus the rest of the world, the first in Melbourne next Monday.

The Governor-General, Michael Jeffery, will meet the nation's main non-government aid agencies tomorrow to be briefed on the tsunami disaster.

It was important to ensure specialist agencies were fully supported, he said.


Since this was written, I'm pretty sure Australia alone has donated $1 billion to Indonesia... which from what I know, is something we can't actually afford to do withing cutting some major costs elsewhere. Also, right now on TV they're running a television show on EVERY commercial station to try and get people to donate more money... I think it's gone over $4 million at this point. What I want to know, is do they need THIS much money? I read an article at TIMEasia that said the cost of damage in Thailand may reach $1 billion... it seems asthough the rest of the World is going to end up paying for everything and then some. Does anyone know how strong the economies are in the countries affected?

I'm not saying I think we've already donated enough, but I'm just curious to see what others think about it.
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Postby Tuomas on Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:06 pm

well it is a catastrophe and all, and people feel the urge to help, but is it really our job to pay for it? It's like everybody feels guilty about it. Tens of thousands of people die starving and in aids every year and it isn't recognized... well of course I see the difference but to me it feels like all the western democracies are taking some sort of blame of the catastrophe and is seems even worse if they don't give money to help
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Postby J@3 on Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:39 pm

This is what shocked me the most...

"In seven days we've got more money in response to the tsunami crisis than we did for all the humanitarian appeals we issued in 2004," he told US television.


I think that's a bit disappointing really. Just because the humanitarian appeals wouldn't have been for things as immediate or as serious as the tsunami doesn't mean it wasn't as important for the people involved.
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Postby Arcane on Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:55 pm

hasn't john howard given $5 billion over the next 5 years.
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Postby J@3 on Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:09 pm

God I hope not :shock: I heard it was a one off $1 billion donation to Indonesia.
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Postby Jowe on Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:44 pm

Yay Go Howard, give them all our money!!!
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Postby cklitsie on Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:56 pm

The Dutch television show for Asia has collected € 112 million, that's freaking much for such a small country IMO.
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Postby Jackal on Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:50 am

Asia's quite a big continent, but Euro's 112 Million for the places that were hit is indeed alot of dough.
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Postby Arcane on Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:00 am

australia's a piss weak small country population wise and we've just sent ourselves bankrupt to help.
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Postby Matt on Sun Jan 09, 2005 3:23 am

meh, Australia's been in debt since 1971, i'm not too worried about this, besides it's not like we are gonna lose our houses or loved ones because of our donations
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Postby cyanide on Sun Jan 09, 2005 3:55 am

I read in my local newspaper that the UN says there is too much money being given out for a short term crisis. Certainly, the tsunami crisis is given a lot of money, but it really is disturbing as Jae quoted, " 'In seven days we've got more money in response to the tsunami crisis than we did for all the humanitarian appeals we issued in 2004,' he told US television." Really, there should be more attention given out to other crisises, but why the heck did this tsunami coverage suddenly get so big? I can think of two reasons: media and politics. Media for of course, covering the crisis and making it a big thing, and politics as a race of, "Who gets to donate the most money and be the hero of the world?"
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Postby Matt on Sun Jan 09, 2005 3:59 am

well, the donations are also a result of the severity of the disaster, especially the enormous death toll.
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Postby cyanide on Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:18 am

Yes, but there's also other places with enormous death tolls that are not being noticed by the media, so the media does make a huge difference, regardless of the severity of the disaster.
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Postby Matthew on Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:37 am

Jowe wrote:Yay Go Howard, give them all our money!!!
We are number one!!! :|

Just a question, do you work? If you dont, what are you complaining about?

I have no problem with our money going there. What happened there was an absolutely disastour, and just look at the death toll to realise how bad it was. What i find funny is people here bitch about the "reugees" when we wont accept them for not comming through the due process, and say we're a heartless nation etc. then when we help out in a situation like this, people complain about the money...
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Postby Jackal on Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:26 am

*gulp* Holland has it's fair share of people seeking refuge, no one complains. It is getting a wee bit out of hand though. :|
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Postby Jowe on Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:31 am

But a billion dollars from a small country like us? :?

Its a 1 in a 100 year natural disaster. The people who are dead are dead.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for donations, but its way too much. (from overall donations from other countries too.)

All this money could have stopped the poverty in africa years ago. :|
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Postby Matthew on Sun Jan 09, 2005 11:16 am

One billion dollars would not have stopped the poverty in africa. The people who are dead are dead, but this money is to help stop the disease that is begining to spread over there, it took some time to put the bodies in those mass graves... its a bad situation there at the moment, and i'm glad we're helping though.
But a billion dollars from a small country like us?

Thats the beauty of a strong economy, we can afford this.
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Postby iKe7in on Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:17 pm

If survivors from this are driving around in Porsches when this is all done, then I'll say it was too much. Until then, every billion counts.
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Postby cyanide on Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:41 pm

Since every country is on the donation bandwagon, I wonder how much Bill Gates donated :)
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Postby Arcane on Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:56 pm

i think bill gates may donate alot, him and his father were helping bill clinton in the fight against aids in africa i think from memory bill gates and his father donated $1.5 billion not sure if that was US$ or AUS$.
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Postby J@3 on Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:14 pm

Bill Gates donated $3 million or something.

Thats the beauty of a strong economy, we can afford this.


Aren't we in debt though?
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Postby Arcane on Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:17 pm

i'm sure it was more than $3 million

and aus has what a $7billion debt or did howard reduce that slightly.
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Postby J@3 on Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:21 pm

There's a link to the Bill Gates thing in a thread in NBA Talk, it was $3 million US.

http://www.forbes.com/2004/12/30/1230autofacescan05.html
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Postby cyanide on Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:31 pm

Wow, that was quick.. thanks ][]]ragon, Jae (Y)
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Postby Arcane on Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:35 pm

ahh $3mill to the tidal wave relief fund. Thought you were saying he only donated $3 mill to the fight against aids/hiv in africa.
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