Should Augusta National Be Required To Admit Women?

[:digerati:]

Simple question. Should the private golf club Augusta National be required to have women members in the club?

Feminazis have their obvious opinion of course. Yes, and if they don't they should be shut down by the government or forced to have have a female member (they would be prefer one of a "minority")

They are also strongly advocating boycotts and throwing around warnings and threats at all sorts of people and companies...CBS...Coca-Cola...IBM...

So, I ask all you smart opinionated people. Should Augusta National be REQUIRED to have female members? Not ethically. But should they be FORCED to have female members?

[Rens]

They shouldn't. They are a private club right? So they have the right to refuse members on their own grounds IMO. Just like members can be refused from this message board on any ground. Those silly women want to take away the one pleasure men have without being disturbed by women (golf ofcourse!!)

[BIG GREEN]

that's nuts...if it's a private club i think they should be able to do as they please.That's like me forcing my way into your home claiming i have a right to be there...when it's ur own house.

[TheBob]

Yohance, what if I had a private club that didn't allow black people? Wouldn't that be discrimination? It's the same thing...

[DR. P]

Man Bob, it must be a birthday coming up, because I agree with you. It seems like a catch-22. Of course you'd want your own private club, with your own members, but yet if you were the excluded party you'd want access as well.

Best,

P

[Brave Sir Rubin]

people should stay away from places in which they are not wanted.....if women do get to go into that country club, how do you think they'll be treated by the male members?

Yohance, what if I had a private club that didn't allow black people? Wouldn't that be discrimination? It's the same thing...

it isn't exactly the same thing...one is a sexism while the other is a racism issue...

meanwhie...what do women look for in a golf country club?

the club owner has all the right to kick anybody out, on any grounds...

but since this is AMERICA, and since polit-corectness is the most important thing...some money hungry chicks will sue the country club, and due to the great american democracy...win...

[:digerati:]

Yohance, what if I had a private club that didn't allow black people? Wouldn't that be discrimination? It's the same thing...

Discrimination shouldn't be illegal. That's a private club. You can keep out anyone you want. If you don't want people with chest hair, you can do that. That's why it's private.

people should stay away from places in which they are not wanted.....if women do get to go into that country club, how do you think they'll be treated by the male members?

That's not the situation though. They aren't necessarily not wanted, since they are allowed as guests. However, Augusta National is invitation only and they simply haven't seen any women golfers they wish to invite. I don't think the male members would treat them poorly or anything like that. It's like that treehouse back when in the day with the sign that said "No Girls Allowed". Only this is a golf club, with a big tournament, that allows women as guests, but hasn't invited one as a member.

it isn't exactly the same thing...one is a sexism while the other is a racism issue...

They're still discrimination, which isn't to say either one is bad.

but since this is AMERICA, and since polit-corectness is the most important thing...some money hungry chicks will sue the country club, and due to the great american democracy...win...

That's where it's a lie, it's not a democracy, never has been. But that's against the point.

So let's see if I understand this correctly...
Yohance, Dan and Pavel are against Augusta being forced by an outside force (i.e. the government) to get some female members.
Bob and P are for the government to force Augusta to round up some females.

[:digerati:]

Let's think about Thug's idea for a bit.

Let's say the government goes, finds someone of a different race/gender/etc. and forces you to let them into your house. It's the same idea.

[BIG GREEN]

Yea that's my point.If the private club didn't want me because i'm black..what right have i to say..let me in?It's their club...their house..their business.I should know to keep away or make my own club that excludes people who are not black.

If it was a public club...then we'd have an issue

[Wall St. Peon]

Augusta's fine. It's a private club. Private means they can do as they like as long as they aren't breaking any constitutional rights given to all people. That being said, it's not a constitutional right to be able to go golfing at a certain golf course.

I know you're all going to say it's discrimination, but think about this: aren't there all-women college and schools out there that don't allow men? Yeah, there are. Are there all-male colleges and schools that don't allow women? Yeah, there are. Why are they allowed? Because they're private, and people pay a lot of money for their kids to have an education there. What about stag clubs? Or Fraternities? Or Sororities? You may say that they're equal, so it doesn't matter...but aren't there just as many golf courses as nice as Augusta that let women golf? I'm sure there are.

*shrug* I think this will be one of those "agree to disagree" topics...

[Rens]

aren't there all-women college and schools out there that don't allow men? Yeah, there are.

I'd love to be allowed there

Are there all-male colleges and schools that don't allow women? Yeah, there are. Why are they allowed? Because they're private, and people pay a lot of money for their kids to have an education there.

In Brittain this is a pretty common system, don't hear anyone complain about that...

[:digerati:]

Women are allowed to golf. They are allowed in the club as a guest like any non-member, regardless of race, gender, etc. The feminazis are complaining about the fact that there are no female members. When it's invitation only. It's not like people apply for the club.

Just for clarification, since Shane said I should post it, not just tell him on MSN.

[TheBob]

Man Bob, it must be a birthday coming up, because I agree with you

Yes!!! Finally...

people should stay away from places in which they are not wanted.....

If people had this attitude segregation in school systems and on buses etc would still exist in the US.

Bob and P are for the government to force Augusta to round up some females

I don't think they should "just round up some females" for the sake of it but I think they should admit some.

If the private club didn't want me because i'm black..what right have i to say..let me in?It's their club...their house..their business.I should know to keep away or make my own club that excludes people who are not black.

This attitude really surprises me, especially comming from someone who is black. Granted I'm not black and have no idea what racism feels like. However, it seems to me that you could only have this atittude in a society where there isn't that much racism compared to the past. If this were 100 years ago there's no way you'd have that attitude. Just think about it for a minute, it wasn't long ago that white people ran america and that people of african descent had practically no rights. It's because of opinions like yours that it took so long for the US to change their laws and now you're saying that the laws are stupid basically.

Private means they can do as they like as long as they aren't breaking any constitutional rights given to all people. That being said, it's not a constitutional right to be able to go golfing at a certain golf course.

Thats right Shane. However, I believe it is against the law to descriminate based upon sex among other things.

[:digerati:]

I don't think they should "just round up some females" for the sake of it but I think they should admit some.

You think they should required by the government to invite some female.

This attitude really surprises me, especially comming from someone who is black. Granted I'm not black and have no idea what racism feels like. However, it seems to me that you could only have this atittude in a society where there isn't that much racism compared to the past. If this were 100 years ago there's no way you'd have that attitude. Just think about it for a minute, it wasn't long ago that white people ran america and that people of african descent had practically no rights. It's because of opinions like yours that it took so long for the US to change their laws and now you're saying that the laws are stupid basically.

OMG. That is so stupidly "liberal". What you're saying is, you're suprised that Yohance likes freedom and basic consitutional rights just because he's black? Then you're condeming him for liking freedom to have private clubs, etc. These are completely different things, public and private. I'm appalled at what you said about Yohance. Jeez, I can't even reply to anymore to that Bob, it's laden with mistruths and filters of events.

Thats right Shane. However, I believe it is against the law to descriminate based upon sex among other things.

For PUBLIC organizations. This is a private club, they are allowed to restrict and allow anyone they wish.

[TheBob]

Ok Ben so what you're saying is that everyone should just be completely free to descriminate as much as they want in private institutions? Well guess what? Housing is private, what if you were mexican or something and everyone where you lived refused to allow mexicans to buy or rent houses there? I know what you're saying but you can't just allow everyone to descriminate, the whole country will become crazier than it is now. I don't want to turn this into a race issue but from your comments Ben I'll assume you're white and that you havn't suffered any racial or sexist descrimination.

[:digerati:]

Yes, I'm a white male, and I've faced plenty of racial and gender-based discrimination.

Yes, people should be free to descriminate in private institutions. It's called freedom, Bob.

Your housing example is foolish. You can't exclude someone from the neighborhood like that. Housing is a business selling to people and thus is public. If you live in a private residence area, then yes, they can exclude, Mexicans, Lefties, what-ever. But there are very very few of those still around these days.

I know what you're saying Bob, but you can't just forbid opinions.

By that white comment, are you trying to say I'm racist? Because you're the one being racist in this thread.

[TheBob]

I don't mean that you should forbid opinions. I also don't mean that you're racist and you know that's not what I meant. Finally racist is deffined as: The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. Have I said that at any point? Btw P. you can get back in this discussion if you want...

[Dert]

Augusta National should NOT be required to invite female in their PRIVATE club. It is simple. The Gouvernment should not be allowed to have any influence in the private commerce; Not in gold clubs, not in cigarette companies.

meanwhie...what do women look for in a golf country club?

Guys with big fat wallets, because they sure as hell can't golf!

This reminds me very much of the situation in Ontario. One of those women group were pissed off because guys are allowed to walk around without shirts. So they demanded that they be allowed to, which is really pointless because what type of idiot would be against female nudity? So they are allowed to walk around half naked, but guess what... I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY TOP LESS WOMEN ANYWHERE! I went to the beach on a REALLY hot day.... nothing! I went downtown... NOTHING!

They just want to prove a point. I dunno what it is, and I don't really think they do either.[/quote]

[Brave Sir Rubin]

I went to the beach on a REALLY hot day.... nothing! I went downtown... NOTHING!

you horny bastard!

nahh....j/k...

i see your point...true...even if women get to go to that club...they won't...

[Tyus Edney's Agent]

I believe that Augusta national golf club does nto have to admit a female member if they don't want to, however i would like them to admit a female member. My opinion is that it's their club and since membership is invite only than can include or exclude anyone they want. it's just that simple

[DR. P]

Just thought I'd add this link that relates directly to this topic:

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/story?id=1469083

Seems Americans are about equally torn between whether Tiger should play or not as a result of this issue. I guess the amount of weight given to the poll rests on how much you value them.

Best,

P