Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill

[benji]

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[shadowgrin]

actually not so. this is a temporary cap that is meant to come off after while so they can siphon off oil. Also this cap will tell weather or not there is oil leaking from that particular oil reserve somewhere else.

It's not to siphon oil, it's to see if the cap will be able to hold so they can plug the leak via the two relief wells. They had the relief wells and were always going to have that as the permanent solution, they just needed to find some method by which to stop the leak long enough so they could do it.

The cap is designed to prevent oil from spilling into the Gulf, either by keeping it bottled up in the well, or by capturing it and piping it to ships on the surface. It is not yet clear which way the cap will be used if it passes the pressure test.

If it holds up, the cap is not temporary. The cap will always remain there. The cap is capable of being opened and closed like a faucet.
The relief wells are the permanent solution (if all goes well). Oil could be siphoned off the main well until the relief wells are finished. Then the main well will be closed once the relief wells have pumped materials to the main well to close off the reservoir permanently.

Here's a video from BP about the cap.
And here's another visual aid for you.

[benji]

Stop posting things like that or he'll be required to figure out that doing things that stop oil pouring out of the first well is different from managing the oil that has already escaped into the Gulf.

And then he'll have to start figuring out if his myths about the coming lightning based fire and alligator disaster are real.

You want THAT CHAOS at your feet?!?

[shadowgrin]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100716/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill

President Barack Obama cautioned the public "not to get too far ahead of ourselves," warning of the danger of new leaks "that could be even more catastrophic."

Terrorist.

[benji]

At least his claims of ever lurking apocalypse are founded in science unlike his predecessor!

[puttincomputers]

An administration official familiar with the spill oversight, however, told The Associated Press that a seep and possible methane were found near the busted oil well. The official spoke on condition of anonymity Sunday because an announcement about the next steps had not been made yet.

http://www.aolnews.com/gulf-oil-spill/a ... l/19558862
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_spill

[benji]

OH NO THE OIL SPILL IS MISSING

For 86 days, oil spewed into the Gulf of Mexico from BP's damaged well, dumping some 200 million gallons of crude into sensitive ecosystems. BP and the federal government have amassed an army to clean the oil up, but there's one problem -- they're having trouble finding it.

At its peak last month, the oil slick was the size of Kansas, but it has been rapidly shrinking, now down to the size of New Hampshire.

Today, ABC News surveyed a marsh area and found none, and even on a flight out to the rig site Sunday with the Coast Guard, there was no oil to be seen.
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Even the federal government admits that locating the oil has become a problem.

"It is becoming a very elusive bunch of oil for us to find," said National Incident Cmdr. Thad Allen.
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The numbers don't lie: two weeks ago, skimmers picked up about 25,000 barrels of oily water. Last Thursday, they gathered just 200 barrels.
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"[It's] mother nature doing her job," said Ed Overton, a professor of environmental studies at Louisiana State University.

[puttincomputers]

looks like rush limbaugh was right!

[shadowgrin]

How dare Nature do its job! Nature should give the hardworking Americans the job that is rightfully theirs!

[Paul23]

That is a lie. Corporate propaganda from a corporate media. Until every BP employee is in jail for purposely trying to destroy the planet then things will never be healed properly. If we do not seize control of these corporations and put them out of business our lives will never be safe from their efforts to enslave or murder us.

[shadowgrin]

How sure are we that you're not a corporate lackey that's out to deceive us by giving us false information and reverse psychology?

[koberulz]

That is a lie. Corporate propaganda from a corporate media. Until every BP employee is in jail for purposely trying to destroy the planet then things will never be healed properly. If we do not seize control of these corporations and put them out of business our lives will never be safe from their efforts to enslave or murder us.

Nobody intentionally did anything, you can't jail every employee of a company for the mistakes of a handful, the planet will or won't recover regardless of what happens to BP employees, and it's a private company that, as such, should not be under control of the government. Dead people can't spend money, so murdering people is rather the opposite of what corporations want to be doing, and the lack of faith in BP caused by this disaster can hardly be said to have been their goal were they doing this intentionally anyway.

[Paul23]

How naive of you that you would think BP would not do this on purpose since they face no ramifications for their actions as they have bought and paid for our government. That is why we need have the government take over these industries in the name of the people to ensure that these corporations cannot corrupt our government or harm the people.

A private company is one that is not accountable to the people. And that is why BP was able to murder lots of people who don't buy BP products while overcharging the rest of us for gasoline and raking in the profits over their corpses. It is a corrupt system. Instead the government should assure that everyone has what they need while making sure nobody acquires more than what everyone agrees upon. Right now, BP executives are stealing billions from the American people while destroying our planet, murdering millions and overcharging us at the pump. The government needs to take action, seize these companies and end this terrorism.

[koberulz]

How naive of you that you would think BP would not do this on purpose since they face no ramifications for their actions as they have bought and paid for our government.

You're hilarious. Seen BP's stock prices lately? They're losing tons of money as a direct result of this. Why would they want to do that?

That is why we need have the government take over these industries in the name of the people to ensure that these corporations cannot corrupt our government or harm the people.

Because the government's never hurt anyone, right? The government, in fact, is the only institution legally allowed to hurt people, so I'm not sure what you think you're fixing.

A private company is one that is not accountable to the people.

A private company is far more accountable to the people, who can purchase their good elsewhere and bankrupt the company in question (should enough of them be sufficiently upset to do so), whilst a government that controls everything can do whatever it likes and the people have no alternative but to like it.

And that is why BP was able to murder lots of people who don't buy BP products

Instead of doing things to convince them to spend money on BP instead? Righteo. Who are these people, exactly?

Instead the government should assure that everyone has what they need while making sure nobody acquires more than what everyone agrees upon.

So the government should prevent people from having things other people don't want them to have? Seriously?

Right now, BP executives are stealing billions from the American people

Why would the government not do this? With no free market, and only one government-run company to supply gas, you'd be naïve to think they wouldn't make it as expensive as they could.

[shadowgrin]

How naive of you that you would think BP would not do this on purpose since they face no ramifications for their actions as they have bought and paid for our government. That is why we need have the government take over these industries in the name of the people to ensure that these corporations cannot corrupt our government or harm the people.

A private company is one that is not accountable to the people. And that is why BP was able to murder lots of people who don't buy BP products while overcharging the rest of us for gasoline and raking in the profits over their corpses. It is a corrupt system. Instead the government should assure that everyone has what they need while making sure nobody acquires more than what everyone agrees upon. Right now, BP executives are stealing billions from the American people while destroying our planet, murdering millions and overcharging us at the pump. The government needs to take action, seize these companies and end this terrorism.

Make up your fucking mind. You just said that BP has the government in their pockets while saying that the people must depend on the government to protect them against BP? I repeat, make up your fucking mind.

[puttincomputers]

How naive of you that you would think BP would not do this on purpose since they face no ramifications for their actions as they have bought and paid for our government. That is why we need have the government take over these industries in the name of the people to ensure that these corporations cannot corrupt our government or harm the people.

A private company is one that is not accountable to the people. And that is why BP was able to murder lots of people who don't buy BP products while overcharging the rest of us for gasoline and raking in the profits over their corpses. It is a corrupt system. Instead the government should assure that everyone has what they need while making sure nobody acquires more than what everyone agrees upon. Right now, BP executives are stealing billions from the American people while destroying our planet, murdering millions and overcharging us at the pump. The government needs to take action, seize these companies and end this terrorism.

if you want to know about an organization purposefully dumping oil into the water you need to look no further than saddam hussein! oops. back in desert storm he dumped what was until our gulf spill the largest spill on record. dont believe me? look it up!

[Wall St. Peon]

Wow, this Paul guy is a douche. With the neo-con "homosexuality is evil/sin/marriage is man + woman & for procreation only" blather directly contradicting a moronic socialist view of the world...

BP didn't do this on purpose...nor did any of the other companies involved.

[shadowgrin]

How much did the corporate evil that is BP pay you Shane to spread lies?

[Paul23]

Of course, immediately tar some as a "socialist" when they want something that makes sense and that the American people support. Allowing companies to do what they want has failed, the free market was discredited five years ago, we need control by the elected bodies of the people. This is the only way we can survive on this planet.

The fact that you all believe BP did not do this on purpose shows how ignorant you are, why wouldn't they do this? They have no reason not to. Bush eliminated all the regulations and allowed them to avoid any damages.

And yes, koberules, a government run oil industry would work for the people. This is basic economics. If they had no profit motive they would make sure that all people use it properly in a way that does not harm the planet. The fact that you think the people would not make sure a government entity acts as we wish it to is the absurdity of your position. Government only acts how the people want it to, and that is why these corporations should be controlled by the people, not corrupt CEOs. With government control we'd have solar and water powered cars that got 500 miles to the gallon but the corporations refuse to allow this technology to exist.

If you did a poll on "let corporations steal from and murder who they want" and "make them work for the people" I think the results would be overwhelming no matter how much you here would hate it. Let alone how you'd spin it as "anti-corporation" is there nothing you people won't shill for?

You people need to study externalities before you try to play in the big boys pool with your simplistic views of economics.

[benji]

If you have a newsletter, I would like to offer up myself as a future subscriber.

[shadowgrin]

Of course, immediately tar some as a "socialist" when they want something that makes sense and that the American people support. Allowing companies to do what they want has failed, the free market was discredited five years ago, we need control by the elected bodies of the people. This is the only way we can survive on this planet.

The fact that you all believe BP did not do this on purpose shows how ignorant you are, why wouldn't they do this? They have no reason not to. Bush eliminated all the regulations and allowed them to avoid any damages.

Make up your fucking mind. You just said that BP has the government in their pockets while saying that the people must depend on the government to protect them against BP? I repeat, make up your fucking mind.

Oh and...

PAUL23, FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME.

[Paul23]

Typical, curse and yell instead of addressing the facts presented. Maybe you should go back to teabagging in the streets instead of trying to debate people with actual degrees.

[shadowgrin]

So you have a degree. Yet you still fail to address my recent question.

Maybe you should go back to sucking cock in continuing the recruitment for your anti-corporate agenda.

[koberulz]

Of course, immediately tar some as a "socialist" when they want something that makes sense and that the American people support.

What you're suggesting is socialism. Why not call you a socialist?

Allowing companies to do what they want has failed, the free market was discredited five years ago

When? How? What about the complete discrediting of socialism?

why wouldn't they do this? They have no reason not to.

They're losing money. The regulations and shit are irrelevant; consumers are going elsewhere. Thus, they're losing out on profits they would otherwise be making. Why would they voluntarily throw away potential billions of dollars just to kill 11 of their own employees and a handful of pelicans? Do you really think they're evil just to be evil, or do you think there's actually some sort of plan here? The world is not a work of fiction, the bad guys don't do bad guy things just because they're bad guys.

And yes, koberules, a government run oil industry would work for the people.

This is the most hilariously false statement I've ever read.

If they had no profit motive

Big if. Since the government does have a profit motive, however, it's irrelevant.

Government only acts how the people want it to

No they don't. And if you give them more power, they'll have even less incentive to do what you want. Or I want. Or anyone else except the president wants. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

With government control we'd have solar and water powered cars that got 500 miles to the gallon but the corporations refuse to allow this technology to exist.

The only reason we don't have alternative energy sources now is the government subsidies on gas that prevent research into alternative energy sources being cost-effective. If the government got the fuck out of the way, companies would see the money invested in such energy sources as being worthwhile, but since government subsidies make gas artificially cheap to produce, they don't.

[puttincomputers]

pual the majority of americans disagree with you. oh btw ask the russian folks how they like the government controlling the oil.