Matthew, BigKaboom2 and friends:An NLSC Love Story

And if anyone agrees with him in the slightest form, they are a "Matthew dickrider."

So yeah, I guess it balances things out.

Oh wait wait, I don't remember who it was, just know it was a douchebag that actually went as far as saying we discuss it on MSN.

Damn I love this place, I mean...I've got 10000+ posts, by now I have a huge dick. Let me go make some polls taking potshots at forum members. Yeah, I'm cool now.

I guess you choose to ignore the overall point to harp on the minutiae once again. The point being - when pressured to give a legitimate opinion you decide to bail out and say we aren't worthy of it, then you tell us our opinions are wrong without explaining they're wrong. Both of these things are extremely disruptive to any attempt at discussion.

You're the one who conveniently ignores posts. You had a chance to address your specific claims that I answered but instead its all "oh we aren't worthy of your opinion Matthew"...

And I only said Benji wasn't worthy of mine (because he doesn't offer one himself, not because I think I'm superior to him).

Duh, you're the goon squad farmer! Everybody who disagrees with Matthew is part of your goon squad!

I never included you in his goon squad You're even a loser on the internet. How does that make you feel? Actually I better not ask.

Oh wait wait, I don't remember who it was, just know it was a douchebag that actually went as far as saying we discuss it on MSN.

People still use MSN to talk to forum members? Cool!

You're the one who conveniently ignores posts.

I didn't accuse you of ignoring posts, only of trying to dissect the irrelevant minutiae of a post instead of addressing the overall point of it.

And I only said Benji wasn't worthy of mine (because he doesn't offer one himself, not because I think I'm superior to him).

So someone has to post their opinion before you'll acknowledge their request that you post your opinion? You didn't offer an opinion, so why would you be worthy of his? I don't understand these rules at all.

I never included you in his goon squad You're even a loser on the internet. How does that make you feel? Actually I better not ask.

Damn! I don't know whether I should feel slighted or take that as a compliment

You're the one who conveniently ignores posts.

I didn't accuse you of ignoring posts, only of trying to dissect the irrelevant minutiae of a post instead of addressing the overall point of it.

How did I dissect the irrelevant in the above post? I went through everything you said and answered each point.

So someone has to post their opinion before you'll acknowledge their request that you post your opinion? You didn't offer an opinion, so why would you be worthy of his? I don't understand these rules at all.

No. I just refused to give him my opinion when he demanded for it and he never posts his opinions and just responds to others. And I acknowledged his request by refusing it. Simple.

How did I dissect the irrelevant in the above post? I went through everything you said and answered each point.

The main thing I was trying to show in that post is that insulting me over and over is not a valid argument and is in fact ad hominem in nature. Examining the nature of each insult did not make it any less apparent as a long list of insults.

No. I just refused to give him my opinion when he demanded for it and he never posts his opinions and just responds to others. And I acknowledged his request by refusing it. Simple.

What do you mean he never posts opinions? He does it rather often, but no one seems to accept per-minute stats as legitimate and thus they get ignored in favor of media memes and baseless predictions of unpredictable events. And if they don't get ignored, somebody whips out the "stats don't tell the whole story - you have to watch the games" argument which is so logically flawed I don't even know where to begin. I'll take a reasoned and well-supported opinion over most of the trash in NBA Talk any day...

If he's the one who never posts his opinion and just responds to others, how would you describe your contributions to the forum?

From what I read, I cant stand Matthew.

The main thing I was trying to show in that post is that insulting me over and over is not a valid argument and is in fact ad hominem in nature. Examining the nature of each insult did not make it any less apparent as a long list of insults.

Simply saying I insult you over and over again is not proof or evidence of me doing so.

What do you mean he never posts opinions? He does it rather often, but no one seems to accept per-minute stats as legitimate and thus they get ignored in favor of media memes and baseless predictions of unpredictable events. And if they don't get ignored, somebody whips out the "stats don't tell the whole story - you have to watch the games" argument which is so logically flawed I don't even know where to begin. I'll take a reasoned and well-supported opinion over most of the trash in NBA Talk any day...

I'm referring to the all defensive teams thread and the predictions thread where he flat out refused to post any of his own opinions and tried to shut down anyone who posted theirs.

If he's the one who never posts his opinion and just responds to others, how would you describe your contributions to the forum?

It's not my responsibility to describe my contributions to this site. I have too much respect for this place to rave on about everything I've done for it.

From what I read, I cant stand Matthew.

This I'll lose sleep over.

Simply saying I insult you over and over again is not proof or evidence of me doing so.

Right, that's why I listed all the recent insults I could find.

I'm referring to the all defensive teams thread and the predictions thread where he flat out refused to post any of his own opinions and tried to shut down anyone who posted theirs.

This is simply not true. Not only is arguing logically against someone not the equivalent of "shutting them down," but he clearly did post his opinion on the matter.

How would you like to have them selected?

By the players.

I don't think there's any legitimate evidence that he "never posts his opinions" and thus that's a poor justification for not offering yours.

It's not my responsibility to describe my contributions to this site. I have too much respect for this place to rave on about everything I've done for it.

It's not your responsibility to ever post, answer a question, reply to a thread, send a PM, or anything related to the NLSC. You're obviously doing it voluntarily like we all are, and I was hoping you would voluntarily differentiate what you accuse benji of doing and what you yourself engage in.

But you didn't list any insults. You said "oh you keep insulting me, blah blah blah"

This is simply not true. Not only is arguing logically against someone not the equivalent of "shutting them down," but he clearly did post his opinion on the matter.

He posted his opinion in the prediction thread? Really! I would of sworn when someone asked him for who he is predicts he said he's got nobody.

I don't think there's any legitimate evidence that he "never posts his opinions" and thus that's a poor justification for not offering yours.

"Pretend that I [think Farmer is a better defender then KG]." Thats not offering his opinion of his own stats (which he later conceeded his stats were flawed because he would admit that he thought KG was a better defender then Farmer despite what his own formula would have you believe. But that's not what I'm referring to; I'm talking about his attitude towards the predictions thread.

And I really have no idea why you're taking issue with what I said about him. You are not Ben. Can Ben not defend himself. Are you his hero? If so, thats so sweet but get a grip? Ben doesn't like you, he's using you. All he does is try to play mind games on an internet forum to make himself look like he i some kind of genius. Thats why I took issue with his attitude to demanding answers opinions from people when he refused to offer his own. He isn't a philosopher and this is not a test. Maybe one day you'll figure this out for yourself. Or maybe you'll turn into the next Dmitri. It's upto you.

Fine. Since I'm in the mood for a delicious semantics argument.

But you didn't list any insults.

So, thick, delusional, brainwashed, goon, aren't to be taken as insults? Oh, wait, they aren't insults if true right?

He posted his opinion in the prediction thread? Really! I would of sworn when someone asked him for who he is predicts he said he's got nobody.

So the only valid "opinion" in a playoff series thread is a prediction? My definition of "opinion" seems to be much more broad than yours.

Can Ben not defend himself

What do I have to defend myself from? Or is this the same as my "dirty work"?

I'll only "defend" my arguments, none of this has anything to do with my arguments (just me, who you have some insane desire to go after endlessly), or just provides greater support for them. Personal attacks are just boring and "mind games," not anything worth bothering to defend against.

"Pretend that I [think Farmer is a better defender then KG]." Thats not offering his opinion of his own stats (which he later conceeded his stats were flawed because he would admit that he thought KG was a better defender then Farmer despite what his own formula would have you believe.

I don't think KG is a better defender than Farmar. And, as you continue to ignore, I did not present just one set of data. I never conceded my stats are flawed because they aren't. Infact, I made it a point to retract any implied concession because of the realization they weren't and that they returned consistent results.

If you actually want to talk about the All-Defense stuff, instead of just insult me, that's fine. Post it in the All-Defense thread where there is plenty of outstanding discussion chains.

And I really have no idea why you're taking issue with what I said about him.

What is with this obsessive desire to make arguments into personal one-on-one battles? And if anyone agrees and decides to post on it, that's apparently a "goon squad"? It is outside the bounds of the forum rules for multiple people to engage in discussion over topics on which multiple people agree?

Or maybe you'll turn into the next Dmitri.

I wish he would turn into a technical god, even if he leaves due to being successful in real life. At least that would be doing something "productive after work" instead of sabotaging motherboards...

Ben doesn't like you

That sounds dangerously close to an opinion.

That was the response about me you were worthy of, don't expect another. If you would actually like to discuss topics that aren't forum members, I'd be more than glad to.

Sooooo........Kobe won MVP, well done Mr. Bryant!

He posted his opinion in the prediction thread? Really! I would of sworn when someone asked him for who he is predicts he said he's got nobody.

Predictions are not respectable opinions, they're simply pointless shots in the dark, especially when people don't even explain why they actually made the prediction. If people do explain why, and the reasoning is in some way faulty, I don't see why someone has to post their own inane prediction in order to question someone about their reasoning.

"Pretend that I [think Farmer is a better defender then KG]." Thats not offering his opinion of his own stats (which he later conceeded his stats were flawed because he would admit that he thought KG was a better defender then Farmer despite what his own formula would have you believe. But that's not what I'm referring to; I'm talking about his attitude towards the predictions thread.

It was noted many, many times that those stats were not an attempt to determine the absolute greatest defensive players in the league for this season, and nowhere did benji claim that Farmar was a better defender than Garnett. You were conducting a straw man argument the entire time.

And I really have no idea why you're taking issue with what I said about him. You are not Ben. Can Ben not defend himself. Are you his hero? If so, thats so sweet but get a grip? Ben doesn't like you, he's using you. All he does is try to play mind games on an internet forum to make himself look like he i some kind of genius. Thats why I took issue with his attitude to demanding answers opinions from people when he refused to offer his own. He isn't a philosopher and this is not a test. Maybe one day you'll figure this out for yourself. Or maybe you'll turn into the next Dmitri. It's upto you.

I don't believe things because people tell me to believe them; I believe them because they're logically sensible to me. I'm not Ben, Ben can defend himself, but when I see people posting BS I sometimes decide to call them out on it. If you could explain more about these "mind games" I would be quite interested, as it sounds like a thoroughly enjoyable tale. I also would like to know what the nefarious ultimate goal is that he's "using me" to achieve.

I feel almost honored to be implicated in a conspiracy theory - I never in my wildest dreams imagined it would happen this early in my life.

So, thick, delusional, brainwashed, goon, aren't to be taken as insults? Oh, wait, they aren't insults if true right?

They shouldn't be. If you think they are offensive, especially if they are the truth, maybe that person should do something to address that problem rather then get offended.

So the only valid "opinion" in a playoff series thread is a prediction? My definition of "opinion" seems to be much more broad than yours.

I don't care if you feel your definition of opinion is more broad then mine. I stand by what I said. You were questioning peoples opinions without offering one yourself.

What do I have to defend myself from?

I question what you say. If you do it to others, I'll do it to you.

I'll only "defend" my arguments, none of this has anything to do with my arguments (just me, who you have some insane desire to go after endlessly), or just provides greater support for them. Personal attacks are just boring and "mind games," not anything worth bothering to defend against.

Right. So when I go after you its insane. You go after anybody who doesn't back up their opinions. Does that not make you more insane? Of course not! Because you're Ben Bailey...

I don't think KG is a better defender than Farmar. And, as you continue to ignore, I did not present just one set of data. I never conceded my stats are flawed because they aren't. Infact, I made it a point to retract any implied concession because of the realization they weren't and that they returned consistent results.

But yet you got butthurt because I pointed out the holes in those stats. ZOMG INSANE MAFFEW

What is with this obsessive desire to make arguments into personal one-on-one battles? And if anyone agrees and decides to post on it, that's apparently a "goon squad"? It is outside the bounds of the forum rules for multiple people to engage in discussion over topics on which multiple people agree?

I called Lamrock and BigKaboom a part of your goon squad because it's obvious you are directing them like puppets. I never called Illoni and that German poster a part of their goon squad even though they agreed with you.

I wish he would turn into a technical god, even if he leaves due to being successful in real life. At least that would be doing something "productive after work" instead of sabotaging motherboards...

Aw pity he couldn't run a message board successfully.

That was the response about me you were worthy of, don't expect another.

Damnit! What will I do now? haha. SPURS IN 3 OHOHOHO

Predictions are not respectable opinions, they're simply pointless shots in the dark, especially when people don't even explain why they actually made the prediction. If people do explain why, and the reasoning is in some way faulty, I don't see why someone has to post their own inane prediction in order to question someone about their reasoning.

As I said before, you whinged and whined about me questioning Ben's stats saying "well I dont see you offering an alternative", but when it comes to Ben's criticism of other people's predictions, thats fair game to you even though Ben refused to offer his own prediction.

If you can't see the double standard then I'm sorry, you are thick.

I feel almost honored to be implicated in a conspiracy theory - I never in my wildest dreams imagined it would happen this early in my life.

Who mentioned conspiracy?

So, thick, delusional, brainwashed, goon, aren't to be taken as insults? Oh, wait, they aren't insults if true right?

They shouldn't be. If you think they are offensive, especially if they are the truth, maybe that person should do something to address that problem rather then get offended.

Holy cow. What constitutes an insult to you? I think you define a lot of words much differently than I do.

Right. So when I go after you its insane. You go after anybody who doesn't back up their opinions. Does that not make you more insane? Of course not! Because you're Ben Bailey...

Do you think ranting about people is a sufficient way of addressing their arguments? It doesn't seem like you differentiate between criticizing individuals and criticizing their opinions.

Predictions are not respectable opinions, they're simply pointless shots in the dark, especially when people don't even explain why they actually made the prediction. If people do explain why, and the reasoning is in some way faulty, I don't see why someone has to post their own inane prediction in order to question someone about their reasoning.

As I said before, you whinged and whined about me questioning Ben's stats saying "well I dont see you offering an alternative", but when it comes to Ben's criticism of other people's predictions, thats fair game to you even though Ben refused to offer his own prediction.

If you can't see the double standard then I'm sorry, you are thick.

Did you read the post you're responding to here? You didn't even address it; you simply reposted what I responded to as if it's a new argument. I explained exactly why it isn't a "double standard".

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So, thick, delusional, brainwashed, goon, aren't to be taken as insults? Oh, wait, they aren't insults if true right?

They shouldn't be.

Holy cow. What constitutes an insult to you? I think you define a lot of words much differently than I do.

Oh I love it when you quote half of my response. Lets see if I can do something similar...

So, thick, delusional, brainwashed, goon, aren't to be taken as insults? Oh, wait, they aren't insults if true right?

They shouldn't be.

Holy cow. I think I insult you much more then you do.

Alright, I edited my post to fix that discrepancy.

Congratulations?

I figured you would actually respond to the post if I fixed your complaint about my posting style.

So? I didn't ask why you needed a whole new post to announce your edit.

...I never explained why I needed a whole new post to announce my edit, nor did I accuse you of asking why I needed a whole new post to announce my edit. What does that even mean?

I figured if you were going to make fun of my posting style instead of responding to my post, then I would just edit the post and you would have no more reasons to avoid responding to it, other than declaring I'm not worth the effort to respond to.

Without reading your post (if it's anything like your previous 5 or 6 in this thread it's useless) I'll say this once because you clearly can't understand it any other way:

I. Do. Not. Care.

Alright, that's all I was looking for you to admit.

I suspected you weren't reading the posts and I was correct - it's rather difficult to have a discussion with someone who doesn't listen to anything you say, so that explains quite a few things.

Nobody is going to read 2 or 3 of your posts explaining why you edited a post of yours.

That doesn't bother me in the slightest - as I said I was just hoping you'd reply to the post I edited, but I guess it's not going to happen since you've admitted that you don't really read posts anyway.

This is just another example of what I pointed out long ago - you're not interested in actual discussion of anything, instead choosing to focus on discrepancies in people's posts that are ancillary to the main point of them, or just going straight for tried-and-true insults.

To be clear, each time you reply with "You're an idiot," it perfectly fits this assessment that I've offered several times.