Breaking News: WMDs found in Iraq

[mercyless41]

Well you're an idiot mercyless and yes I do believe we are out there for good. We do have troops fighting in Africa, as well.

yes. u r rigth. im an idiot for trying to argue with people so ignorant and stubborn. i dont know whos worst, a patriot or a religious fan... perhaps both together.

[Riot]

Well you're an idiot mercyless and yes I do believe we are out there for good. We do have troops fighting in Africa, as well.

yes. u r rigth. im an idiot for trying to argue with people so ignorant and stubborn. i dont know whos worst, a patriot or a religious fan... perhaps both together.

I think the main problem is I can't understand a fucking word you are typing.

Can you tell me what we profit from invading Afghanistan? Last time I checked, they don't have much oil.

[mercyless41]

America dont went to Afghanistan. United Nations went there. there was no "invasion" there.

[Riot]

America dont went to Afghanistan. United Nations went there. there was no "invasion" there.

Are you kidding me? We kicked out the Taliban and we are installing a democratic government in Afghanistan. We are helping rebuild Afghanistan into a stable country again.

[mercyless41]

i meant America dont went there without the international agreement. America went there with the support of the UN and the (little) military help of several countries.

if u know somethin something bout economy ull know a nice way to earn money with enterprises is destruct a country or completely remove the government to recontruct it. actual capitalism is not interested in conquerin lands, is interested in takin the best slice of currency and resources on a country. the new government in Afghanistan is now a prowestern democracy. they will gladly agree to allow american enterprises to reconstruct the country. factories, water supplies, power plants, etc. all under american enterprises hands coz america toke the most important military work. armies are just tools of real world rulers: rich people.

[Jing]

Dude can you at least spell properly so we can actually understand what you are trying to argue? Also use like commas, proper periods and stuff.

[mercyless41]

Ok. Now I will take less time for my other occupations to "spell" properly for You, sweetheart. Happy now.

[Jing]

Ok. Now I will take less time for my other occupations to "spell" properly for You, sweetheart. Happy now.

lol you've already spent more than worth your time getting your ass beat down by riot. why not.

[mercyless41]

Actually Riot's arguments about the international behaviour of his governement can't even beat his own ass.

[Dro]

Mercyless is correct in saying that the US is in Iraq because of self-interest (not completely, but it's undeniably part of the war). But c'mon man, this has been the case for hundreds of years. Mercyless, you can't fault the US government for going into Iraq instead of concentrating their manpower in Africa. It's the way its always been, and that's not something that's going to change.

Riot, it's ignorant thinking that we're in Iraq just for "good".

And Mercyless, English isn't my first language either, but that's no excuse for not adding a "g" at the end of words ending in "ing" or not using periods. Your points would land better if you took the extra 30 seconds to proofread.

[Silas]

With some readthroughs I understand what you're saying Mercyless. It is a good point you bring up,

Why arent we helping the millions of people in Africa. Why didnt we step in with the genocide in Rwanda? Because, what is the US going to do in Africa once they've ousted the wrong doers? Nothing, no resources that they're interested in, or at least that are worth the trouble.

[mercyless41]

Mercyless is correct in saying that the US is in Iraq because of self-interest (not completely, but it's undeniably part of the war). But c'mon man, this has been the case for hundreds of years. Mercyless, you can't fault the US government for going into Iraq instead of concentrating their manpower in Africa. It's the way its always been, and that's not something that's going to change.

Riot, it's ignorant thinking that we're in Iraq just for "good".

And Mercyless, English isn't my first language either, but that's no excuse for not adding a "g" at the end of words ending in "ing" or not using periods. Your points would land better if you took the extra 30 seconds to proofread.

Maybe You're right but my time still counts more for me than for anyone .

Of course the way it is is the way always been before. There's only a few wars in history with partially reasonable arguments. Most wars have only economical or strategical interests. This happens mainly because there are people in this world like Riot. He blindly follows what his leaders say like the one and only truth, and leaders manipulate information to hide their own purposes. A brainless soldier is as dangerous as a terrorist and that's what american army is becoming. It happened in WW2 with german soldiers, and before with holy wars in the middle ages. People killing each other simply because the guys running the show says You're the good boy and the other is the bad one.

I'm not saying US government is doing anything bad than other western governments did. England and Spain supported US government in the invasion thinking they would get some slice too. Other european countries are responsible for selling weapons to "hot" countries and contributing to the rest of the world poor situation, because there's no rich if there's no poor. I'm just saying US government crossed the line like any other democratic government did before. And US government is going further and further instead of going backwards. I think it's an embarrasing situation not one to feel proud like Riot seems to feel. I don't have anything against people who like their countries but nationalism and patriotism are just things for people who don't think properly. Think we live all in the same world. Country limits only obey to the interests of the rulers of the countries not to people's ones.

[Silas]

There is a big difference between patriotism and nationalism.

Patriotism:

Love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it

Nationalism:

The doctrine that your national culture and interests are superior to any other

Dictionary.com

[Big-D]

Young man? Your 17 arent you, you little prick? How can you say were so righteous when we treat our dogs better than people in other countries and the homeless in our own. Just turn a blind eye and sing yankee doodle dandy. Just because you love something dosnt make it the best or righteous.

So people get upset when we don't give terrorists 3 meals a day and 7 fresh virgins a week? Who gives a flying fuck? These are the same guys who are beheading our soldiers and innocent civilians and putting them on the internet. The same guys who are making pipebombs and other IEDs and placing them in busy markets and on the side of highways.

It amazes me how people get outraged over the littlest things when Americans do something wrong but when the terrorists do something it doesn't get any publicity. You know those two soldiers who were kidnapped in Iraq? They were treated A LOT worse than anything we've done. In fact, their testicles were cut off, their hearts were cut out of their bodies and their penis' were cut off and stuffed into their own mouths. I don't hear anything being mentioned about getting those guys brought to justice. But if one guy says that a few soldiers might be sleep depriving a suspected terrorist then there is a world uproar.

You know what? I don't give a fuck. Most of you guys don't even realize that POWs being held by Americans are treated better sometimes than our own fucking troops. We are losing a lot of guys over there so I don't care how they get information out of these guys as long as they get out of them, quite honestly. Even though the "torture" that these guys are going under is in fact not even close to torture. Those two U.S. Troops were tortured and murdered, cold-blooded. Yeah...we're treating them so bad.

I never said the POWs werent mistreated. How about when the soldiers carried an innocent old man in the street and shot him in cold blood and dressed him up as an al-queda member.Im just trying to say the none of us are right. We do a lot of crazy shit to people in prison camps too. People like you in the army are the reason why innocent people get killed because you cant control your anger. I talked with someone who used to go to my school and is now in iraq and he told me how the soldiers would kill children, and innocent civilians without warning just because the crossed the DMZ's that werent even clearly marked. We patrol the streets and anyone in our way is killed regardless.

[Riot]

Well, if your friend is witnessing this I hope he is reporting it because I know 3 people who have been in Iraq and everything you say has been the opposite. Not only that, but I've read books of soldiers in Iraq and nothing like that has surfaced. They don't go on patrol and "kill whoever is in their way". That is stupid and wrong and you know it.

Our troops are told not to shoot unless being shot at or if you see someone with an illegal weapon (AK-47s are legal). There are obviously going to be accidents where innocent lives are killed because it's A. urban warfare and B. the enemy is a coward and they hardly ever stand up and face our troops man to man. They usually resort to IEDs (which kill more innocent lives than anything) and then run away.

You know what is funny about the War in Iraq? America gets insulted and bashed because they are in it for their own personal gain, or so you say. However, you forget to mention the countries (Russia and France namely) that were against the War in Iraq because they were getting illegal personal gain from Saddam himself. They didn't want America to oust him because they were profiting from Saddam illegally.

Saddam and his regime NEEDED to be out ousted. The United Nations should have come in and done it themselves, or atleast helped us, but they refused to. How can you fault America for withholding the standards and sanctions placed on by the United Nations? How can you have sanctions and laws if you aren't going to enforce them? America did the United Nations and Iraq a favor. The reason why we are installing pro-west democratic governments is mostly because of terrorism in the middle east. And so far it is working, believe it or not. Many terrorist cells are leaving the Middle East because the American influence has taken away their safehouses. Iraq no longer is a safehouse for terrorists thanks to the Americans and the now anti-terrorism government. The same thing can be said for Afghanistan now that the Taliban has been ousted. It makes the region and the world a much safer place. It is extremely important that we keep those two countries democratic and strong so they can be a beacon for hopefully what the Middle East will be someday. You kill a tree by killing it's roots, terrorism is no different.

[Big-D]

Well, if your friend is witnessing this I hope he is reporting it because I know 3 people who have been in Iraq and everything you say has been the opposite. Not only that, but I've read books of soldiers in Iraq and nothing like that has surfaced. They don't go on patrol and "kill whoever is in their way". That is stupid and wrong and you know it.

I dont know where you get your info but that is what happens. I dont mean going on patrol litterally.Its an analogy. I dont event want to argue because its so pointless and stupid. Dont bother to reply because im never going to read your stupid shit again.

[Riot]

Well, if your friend is witnessing this I hope he is reporting it because I know 3 people who have been in Iraq and everything you say has been the opposite. Not only that, but I've read books of soldiers in Iraq and nothing like that has surfaced. They don't go on patrol and "kill whoever is in their way". That is stupid and wrong and you know it.

I dont know where you get your info but that is what happens. I dont mean going on patrol litterally.Its an analogy. I dont event want to argue because its so pointless and stupid. Dont bother to reply because im never going to read your stupid shit again.

I don't even know what you are saying anymore. They weren't literally on patrol? It's an analogy? What the fuck are you even talking about? Lay off the bong before you post on here, gunit.

[Silas]

America did the United Nations and Iraq a favor.

If we did the world a favor why does the world still hate us and why does only a small portion of the world support us?

[BIG GREEN]

*sigh*:?...when is this forum going to stop pulling it's hairs out debating with Riot. When will people learn that no one wins in a debate about politics and religion?

[Matthew]

America did the United Nations and Iraq a favor.

If we did the world a favor why does the world still hate us and why does only a small portion of the world support us?

Jealousy? I think alot of the world hates america becuase it's a doer, if somthing needs to be done they will do it. But you're against a war on terror becuase the rest of the world doesnt approve of it? Tell that to the 60+ other nations contributing to afganistan and iraq.

Your way of thinking is similar to this: You see your mother getting assualted in the street, numourous neighbours are wtahcing and dont do anything, and you start to think "hey maybe i shouldnt do anything in retaliation becuase the other people might hate me".

Somtimes you have to be a man and actually stand up for what you believe in, and not worry about what bitchy little people (like europeans) think.

[Dro]

Your way of thinking is similar to this: You see your mother getting assualted in the street, numourous neighbours are wtahcing and dont do anything, and you start to think "hey maybe i shouldnt do anything in retaliation becuase the other people might hate me".

Somtimes you have to be a man and actually stand up for what you believe in, and not worry about what bitchy little people (like europeans) think.

Huh? Iraq is our mother?

It would be more like seeing a drunken bum being beat up on the streets.

[Silas]

No it would be more like someone telling you that there is a man in a crowd of people that might have a gun so we should go over and kill some of the people in the crowd to stop the man from killing the entire crowd because he might have a gun. So we do that, then it turns out he has no gun...

[Matthew]

Your way of thinking is similar to this: You see your mother getting assualted in the street, numourous neighbours are wtahcing and dont do anything, and you start to think "hey maybe i shouldnt do anything in retaliation becuase the other people might hate me".

Somtimes you have to be a man and actually stand up for what you believe in, and not worry about what bitchy little people (like europeans) think.

Huh? Iraq is our mother?

It would be more like seeing a drunken bum being beat up on the streets.

No, Iraq is not our mother. I'm saying with america's involvement, they were hit by terrorism in 2001, and their country is their motherland. Even though the war is not on their soil, they are actualyl defending themselves in this war.

No it would be more like someone telling you that there is a man in a crowd of people that might have a gun so we should go over and kill some of the people in the crowd to stop the man from killing the entire crowd because he might have a gun. So we do that, then it turns out he has no gun...

You are wrong on a few points here. One, terrorism does exist, so the "gun" exists and has been "fired", so to speak. and two, there have been WMD's found in iraq, so the "no gun" idea doesnt hold any merit.

But I have a question for you two, how would you have fought the war on terror? If you dont offer an alternative I dont think you can critisise. Remember, only god can create a flower, but any idiot can pull it apart.

[Silas]

The gun I was reffering to was not terrorism, but the WMD's that were supposed to be in Iraq that we havent found yet. The WMD's we've found are not the WMD's we went in there looking for. We went in looking for shotguns and bazookas and we found firecrackers and potatoe guns. The stuff we found doesnt merit going to war.

So we thought he had the "gun" but it turns out he didnt...

I also think you're considering the complete war on terror with the Iraq war, they are two totally different things. While Saddam is a terrible person and can be considered a terrorist in his own right, he's not the one that ordered the 9/11 attacks.

[Matthew]

After 9/11, and the sacle of those attacks becuase of a knife, could the world risk not going and getting saddam, especially after he has had ties with osama?

But you still havent put forward a proposal as to what you would do yourself had you been in power...