As an Australian, I'm ashamed.

[Drex]

Wow...first time I've seen that...Amazing

It's good. The last thing you could do is to argue forever in a gaming forum when people in your country are having a bad time.

[cyanide]

Yup, you heard me. RIOT GIVES UP! Fuck.

I can symphathize with you. You shouldn't have been watching The Daily Show this week.

In case you were wondering, Jon Stewart pwned Bush's ass, and Riot enjoys watching the show

[Riot]

I haven't watched the Daily Show in a long time. And I haven't watched the O'Reilly Factor for a long time, either. Sometimes I'll flip on Fox News to get some updates on the Hurricane but other than that I've been too busy and too drained to give a shit about what Bill O'Reilly or Jon Stewart has to say.

[Strike Freedom]

IMO..
US is the most powerful nation at the moment, and it wants to rule over the other big nations, that's why UN was established.

However, US is wasting their resources, having their troops everywhere. Whereas,
the other big nations are saving up resources and building up their nations.
They'll get bigger and stronger, eventually one day, US won't be able to handle too many countries at once. Then US will end up protecting themselves.

[Riot]

What countries are saving up their resources? China? The country that doesn't have any resources to support it's population?

It isn't your opinion, it's a fact. America is the most powerful nation right now and it has been since World War II. The UN is hopeless and I've lost all faith in the UN. They don't enforce their policies and they are so broke even if they wanted to they couldn't. Most of the stuff they do is funded by America.

[Carmo]

As an Austalian, I am not ashamed

[Matt]

In Africa and South America we have troops down there giving out water, rebuilding schools, towns, ect. Stopping drug wars and basically being the police down there.

stopping drug wars? don't think so. No way that anyone is gonna stop the drug wars in Colombia between rogue forces. I wonder if the USA would of gotten involved if not for the fact that the cocaine ends up in the states.

There has to be some country that is willing to step up to the plate and say this is what we need to do to make this place a better place. America is in the place to do that and they do it. America is all about the people. We always do something that feel is in the best intrest of the people. Not just Americans but the world.

if America wants to help, then they should give more help to Africa. That place is in a crisis. Whatever is being done in Africa isn't making it a better place. Perhaps if they had oil....

[Bang]

Does the truth hurt? I mean, I'm not trying to sound like some snobby asshole bragging about the US, but if you honestly don't think America is doing anything to help the rest of the world, you're lying to yourself.

If you don't think America is benefitting from having soldiers everywhere...then you're lying to yourself.

As for South Korea, the fact remains Korea has a mandatory army service. So most of those soldiers do not want to be there in the first place. As I was saying, it is a necessity, but still US sometimes abuses what help they give to others. Look, no matter what the country, it is run by politicians, so it is only natural that they abuse and exploit what they can. I seriously don't believe any politician is good hearted enough to truly do good.

[iG®]

Speaking of which, one and last question for Riot.

Why do you think US invated Iraq?

[Riot]

America invaded Iraq for a ton of different reasons. Iraq was in violation of at least 12 UN policies and sancations and the UN even recgonized that. Iraq had/has WMDs, Saddam was a threat to the region, Saddam and his regime didn't have a policy against terrorists and Saddam was just target #1 of a list of many targets.

Don't bring up the no WMD's thing, because there were more than 20 countries who had the same intelligence America and the UK had about WMD's (including China, Russia, France and Australia) and a few middle eastern leaders told the US that Saddam has chemical weapons and he WILL use them on our troops.

We invaded Iraq as a branch off the war on terror. We don't like governments that don't have a strict policy against terrorists. If you are aren't an enemy of terrorists then you are an enemy of us. It's been that way since 9/11.

Did we go to Iraq soley for oil? No. But I would be lying if I said oil didn't play a role in it. But you have to understand, that oil will not all be going to America. America is there to secure the oil fields so the terrorists can't attack that to send the world into a depression. The world is very oil-dependent and if the terrorists wanted to send shock waves throughout the whole global economy they could easily bomb those. But America is making sure they are secure and that it will be distrubted fairly, not just to Iraqi's and America but to the Asian countries (Japan and China) and other countries that are demanding oil more than they did years back.

And finally, liberating a country. The people wanted out of Saddam's opression and America did it. I think that's noble and honorable of us, but many don't think so.

That's why we went to war and those are the reasons why I'd fight in this war to the death.

[iG®]

That's all nice and sweet, but why America did it? Wasn't the UN institution who's responsable for keeping peace all over the world? And oil story doesn't drink water for me.

[Riot]

Why did America do it? BECAUSE THE UN WASN'T DOING SHIT ABOUT IT!!!!! You guys rely too much on the UN. They have all these policies and all these sancations and they are too poor and too stupid to do anything about the people who violate them.

Iraq was doing ILLEGAL things and America stepped up. Do you really think the UN would do anything? Once again, I've lost all faith in the United Nations.

[Bang]

Yes, and Iraq was seriously the most threatening? What about Saudi Arabia? What about North Korea? Actually North Korea was the most threatening, and that was clear. Yet the US didn't step up, it tried to delay talks over and over again. Could it be because...North Korea doesn't have many resources?

[Riot]

Or could it be that China doesn't want us to do anything to North Korea without going through them?

China insists that they will take care of North Korea and America is doing things to North Korea. We cut off supplies to North Korea and we are telling them to disarm. They are already considering disarming.

[J@3]

I'm sure Iraq were plotting a huge attack on the US any day. Good thing they bombed the shit out of the place before they got a chance!

If you do not detect the sarcasm, please ban yourself.

[Bang]

Or could it be that China doesn't want us to do anything to North Korea without going through them?

China insists that they will take care of North Korea and America is doing things to North Korea. We cut off supplies to North Korea and we are telling them to disarm. They are already considering disarming.

Yes I'm sure Kim Jong Il would just go "Sure, I'll disarm." The US had hardly anything to do with them disarming. The US refused to have talks for the longest time, and in this absence of US in the talks more progress has been made. When they agreed to resume talks, North Korea got mad at something the US said and delayed the talks. The US is doing shit when compared to how much effort they put into Iraq. Even though when North Korea is developing missiles that might even reach America. Do you really think resources has nothing to do? I don't get how you think America is a saint when all throughout it's history it's been nothing more than a greedy nation united under money.

[Riot]

North Korea's nukes can't reach America, they aren't even tested. We don't even know if it will work.

Why aren't we doing anything about North Korea? Because we're fighting battles in the middle east right now and China is trying to deal with North Korea. We cut off our supplies and aid to North Korea and they got pissed at us but now they are realizing it wasn't a good move not to get aid and supplies.

America gets bashed for everything and anything. They get bashed for helping Iraq because it's "none of our buisness" and then they get bashed for not helping Africa or North Korea or something. North Korea? I'm not scared of North Korea. I'm scared shitless of terrorists plotting against America though.

[FendeR`]

If you don't think America is benefitting from having soldiers everywhere...then you're lying to yourself.

I don't recall where I said that, look it up for me though. I want to see. Why would we do something that doesn't benefit us at all? That'd be a rare situation for any country.

I don't get how you think America is a saint when all throughout it's history it's been nothing more than a greedy nation united under money.

I know you directed that at Riot, but I know that he has his problems with the US. Just because he supports the war in Iraq doesn't mean he thinks America is completely saintly. And saying that America is just a greedy nation united under money is idiotic.

[Riot]

Every country is greedy because every country is run by humans. Humans are a greedy race. You give some people the power that America has and we get greedy. However, I still think America has more good in it than any other countries in the world.

I support the War in Iraq, I support the War on Terror and I'd support a War in Iran. Does that mean I think America is godly in everything? Nope. But I think there some things worth fighting for.

[Bang]

Every country is greedy because every country is run by humans. Humans are a greedy race. You give some people the power that America has and we get greedy. However, I still think America has more good in it than any other countries in the world.

I support the War in Iraq, I support the War on Terror and I'd support a War in Iran. Does that mean I think America is godly in everything? Nope. But I think there some things worth fighting for.

That's what bothers me. You think Americans are superior when they have high crime rates, has so much racism that it is embedded in their laws, making it virtually impossible to eliminate, exploits other countries, blabbers about making every country a free market but puts a whole lot of tariffs, and thinks they are better than others. The more power a country has, the more greed it has. Why the hell would America be more good any how? America is not a race, it's not really a culture, and it definitely isn't it's laws. Every state has drastically different laws anyhow. I'm not saying America is the devil or anything, but they aren't "nice" either. No hegemon has ever been benevolent, and America is no exception.

[Riot]

Every state has drastically different laws? Not really. Of course, somethings are different but if something is illegal in Minnesota I can bet you $100 that it will most likely be illegal in any of the other stuff.

America is good because we have good people who believe in freedom. We feel like it is our duty to spread freedom to the whole world because everyone deserves freedom. That's what Americans believe in and that's what Americans do.

Are we superior? Hell yes. Do I care if you think we aren't? Hell no. Here is a solution: Don't live here and don't visit here.

[Bang]

Every state has drastically different laws? Not really. Of course, somethings are different but if something is illegal in Minnesota I can bet you $100 that it will most likely be illegal in any of the other stuff.

Those are the most basic laws. I bet most of those illegal things are illegal in almost every country. However, there are tons and tons of separate state laws, ranging from the ridiculous like Chicago's rarely known law that you can't look straight at a woman or something, to something basic such as taxes.

America is good because we have good people who believe in freedom. We feel like it is our duty to spread freedom to the whole world because everyone deserves freedom. That's what Americans believe in and that's what Americans do.

If you're rich and white, sure. And if America has such a long history of restricting freedom to minorities when is it really the point that which the minorities got their freedom? Do you really think after the civil rights movement POOF! FREEDOM! Do you really think that happened? The fact remains freedom is a luxury for a few. Plus America has a lot more censorship than Europe or Brazil. Not to mention the Patriot Act restricts a lot of freedoms.

Are we superior? Hell yes. Do I care if you think we aren't? Hell no. Here is a solution: Don't live here and don't visit here.

I need money, and America is where the money is at right now. For that I need to stay here.

[Riot]

Alright, America has had a long history of slavery and racism. That's a fact and everyone knows it. But strides have been made and America is one of the most diverse nations in the world and Bush's administration is the most diverse one in American history.

We still have a long way to go but for the most part everyone is treated equally. Everyone has the same rights now. The Patriot Act isn't anything to be upset about. It gives the government the ability to tap your phone lines amongst other things. If you have nothing to hide why does it matter? I haven't noticed a different in my freedoms since the Patriot Act was made so it doesn't matter to me.

And about the state laws, that's how the country was founded. You don't want to give the federal government all the power. You want the states to represent the people and so one body doesn't have all the power.

I've tried to end this for quite a few posts. I'm not going to change my views and you aren't going to change yours. You hate America and I love America. We aren't going to budge so it's best if we just stop.

[J@3]

Plus America has a lot more censorship than Europe or Brazil.

That's a good point actually, the USA is one of the most censored places I've heard of. I mean the Janet Jackson thing, how on Earth did that cause such an outrage

[Riot]

Yeah, we are so concerned about not showing sex on TV but everything has violence and that's ok.