BIBLICAL debates 2005

[Jona]

Greetings Sir Bullsfan!! And welcome to the forums!!
Nice to have some profound poster for this kind of subject.
(You'll get used to the lesbian topics...)

Yo COOLmac!! Did God create Satan???

[cyanide]

Yo COOLmac!! Did God create Satan???

Well, he did say something like, Satan was originally an angel and turned egocentric and was cast to hell as lord of the underworld. I don't think this was mentioned in Genesis. Heck, when was Satan mentioned? In Job? The New Testament. Too bad the Bible isn't in chronological order, but left up to some people to determine the canon.

Another question CoolMAC: Can God make mistakes? If he's perfect, he would have never turned angry, vengeful, and jealous, and throw a tantrum by flooding the world, then stating that he regrets creating mankind, and that he even regretted flooding the earth and vowed he would not do it again. This behavior is very, very human.

[bullsfan009]

Another question CoolMAC: Can God make mistakes? If he's perfect, he would have never turned angry, vengeful, and jealous, and throw a tantrum by flooding the world, then stating that he regrets creating mankind, and that he even regretted flooding the earth and vowed he would not do it again. This behavior is very, very human.[/quote]


You never know if it was all planned by God. And, anger is not necessary bad. When was god vengeful or jealous? He was only disappointed, and angry. No one ever did anything to God to make Him get revenge.

Another question that always stumps me is, "Can God create a rock that He can't lift?" I mean, can God put limitations on himself, if the whole thing about God is that He has none?

[LankyMan]

Another question that always stumps me is, "Can God create a rock that He can't lift?" I mean, can God put limitations on himself, if the whole thing about God is that He has none?

Yes indeed, and also, "Can god nuke a burrito so terribly hot that he himself is unfit to eat it?" I seriously think so, if evidence exists to prove something like that ex. raising people from the dead (definitely proven in the Bible), so yes, I definitely think god can.

[J@3]

Um... I think you missed the gay discussion by a few threads.

[COOLmac©]

GOD has limitations

thats a fact .


HE CANT LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TITUS1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;


all because HE is the GOD of righteousness not a GOD of evil.
satan was best describe through out the bible. like i said before IT IS LIKE A GIANT JIGSAW PUZZLE for people who dont want to open their hearts and soul to GOD it will be a brick wall for the truth. but for those who are willing to let GOD be part of them then everything that was written will be put into its place.

[The GOAT]

Is there a reason you write God in all caps?

[COOLmac©]

respect

[The GOAT]

Oh I see. I just captalize it. But whatever

[COOLmac©]

Greetings Sir Bullsfan!! And welcome to the forums!!
Nice to have some profound poster for this kind of subject.
(You'll get used to the lesbian topics...)

Yo COOLmac!! Did God create Satan???

answer is no. GOD created an angel. satan transform that to himself.Just like man. when he was born he has nothing no clothes no beer. a perfect cute specimen of goodness and llikeness of GOD.when he grew up he has all this vices and dirty chicks and dumb ass swearing and anything that GOD's law cannot tolerate. if only we can be child like all our lives but hell no. you got the point of this SIR jona?

[Jona]

Do you think that if your parents were not religious, you would be??

[COOLmac©]

im not religious. my parents dont even dare make a sign of the cross. just that what i have experience in life made me realized that there is no hell on earth like what others percieve it to be. i even have my heart melt when i saw 2 birds chirping on a tree once(then laugh my heart out after they mate in that branch and fell to the ground)

all in all i just felt happy to know GOD and to learn the secrets in the bible. more happier than a few yaers bacl when i was some ass punk rocker who only thinks chicks are objects and vices are cool. i felt semi-complete now. i do sin occasionally but i think those sins were not as grave as to what i have done before. like i said time will come to any of us when we will feel the void in our life can only be filled with God's goodness.


i suggest you start reading the bible.you might not understand it at first or even find ridiculous things in there but the more you open your heart the more light will come in.

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verse of the day:
Proverbs 22 : 24-25

Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go: Lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul.

angry man+angry man=angry poeple
angry people+angry man=angry mob
angry mob+angry mob=war

[J@3]

GOD has limitations

thats a fact .

The existance of God himself isn't a fact. So no, it isn't.

[COOLmac©]

GOD has limitations

thats a fact .

The existance of God himself isn't a fact. So no, it isn't.

oh yeah. its just a theory for others...........but can they prove that GOD doesnt exist?

[bullsfan009]

Yes indeed, and also, "Can god nuke a burrito so terribly hot that he himself is unfit to eat it?" I seriously think so, if evidence exists to prove something like that ex. raising people from the dead (definitely proven in the Bible), so yes, I definitely think god can.

LOL, never heard that one before.

Do you think that if your parents were not religious, you would be??

This is a really good, and hard question. My parents taught me about God, but I have taken it to my own level in personalizing it. Even if you are taught about God, doesn't mean you'll believe, and even if you aren't taught about God, doesn't mean you won't believe. There are millions of people in both boats.

For me, I think that I eventually down the line would have believed. (if I was never introduced as a kid)


Another question to throw out- how do you think God judges someone who never even hears about God or thinks about it their entire lives- like a native on an almost-deserted island in the middle of nowhere, or an infant or child that dies before they are old enough to even know what a belief is?

[cyanide]

im not religious. my parents dont even dare make a sign of the cross. just that what i have experience in life made me realized that there is no hell on earth like what others percieve it to be. i even have my heart melt when i saw 2 birds chirping on a tree once(then laugh my heart out after they mate in that branch and fell to the ground)

all in all i just felt happy to know GOD and to learn the secrets in the bible. more happier than a few yaers bacl when i was some ass punk rocker who only thinks chicks are objects and vices are cool. i felt semi-complete now. i do sin occasionally but i think those sins were not as grave as to what i have done before. like i said time will come to any of us when we will feel the void in our life can only be filled with God's goodness.

Nice testimonial It's good that you have been enlightened and percieve things as "sin" and what is "right." If it works for you and makes others happy, then that's good, but I still think it's important to keep a critical mind. For example, I don't use the Bible to explain things in my life, because I don't read it literally. I read it metaphorically, so I can see the underlying "universal truths," morals, etc that come out of it. It's full of wisdom and such, but I would not allow something to dictate my life with rules given from the Church, rules from the Bible when I feel some of it to be repressive and questionable. Does it matter if I have to believe that Adam and Eve are the first people in the world? No. It doesn't affect how anybody lives. It's not like I'm going to hell for not believing in Adam and Eve.

[bullsfan009]

Cyanide wrote:

Nice testimonial It's good that you have been enlightened and percieve things as "sin" and what is "right." If it works for you and makes others happy, then that's good, but I still think it's important to keep a critical mind. For example, I don't use the Bible to explain things in my life, because I don't read it literally. I read it metaphorically, so I can see the underlying "universal truths," morals, etc that come out of it. It's full of wisdom and such, but I would not allow something to dictate my life with rules given from the Church, rules from the Bible when I feel some of it to be repressive and questionable. Does it matter if I have to believe that Adam and Eve are the first people in the world? No. It doesn't affect how anybody lives. It's not like I'm going to hell for not believing in Adam and Eve.

I agree

[Matt]

Another question CoolMAC: Can God make mistakes? If he's perfect, he would have never turned angry, vengeful, and jealous, and throw a tantrum by flooding the world, then stating that he regrets creating mankind, and that he even regretted flooding the earth and vowed he would not do it again. This behavior is very, very human.

[/quote]

when did God state he regreted making mankind? also where are you getting this "angry, vengeful, and jealous, and throw a tantrum by flooding the world" from? Is that your interpretation. The reason the Earth was flooded was because of all the bad that was going on at the time and a punishment was necessary. Hey, if God did in fact regret creating man kind then he could reverse time.

People also forget the Adam & Eve were pretty much perfect but became human when Eve sinned.

Another question that always stumps me is, "Can God create a rock that He can't lift?" I mean, can God put limitations on himself, if the whole thing about God is that He has none?

well, I'm not sure how to answer this question, but God created Physics so he can make the world weightless if he wanted to.

[Jona]

GOD has limitations

thats a fact .

The existance of God himself isn't a fact. So no, it isn't.

oh yeah. its just a theory for others...........but can they prove that GOD doesnt exist?

Of course not, that's the reason I'm agnostic.

[Andreas Dahl]

also where are you getting this "angry, vengeful, and jealous, and throw a tantrum by flooding the world" from?

I believe it's called the old testament...
And as far as the flooding goes, I think he was referring to the flood with Noah's ark and all of that (which in my oppinion could never have happend).

People also forget the Adam & Eve were pretty much perfect but became human when Eve sinned.

Eve did perform a sort of a sin, but there were no consequences until Adam ate from the 'apple'. And I believe that it says that the guilt was on both of them, not just Eve. It also says that God told Adam that if he would eat of the forbidden fruit then he would be killed. But when Adam did eat of the fruit, he wasn't killed (well not at first anyway).

[cyanide]

when did God state he regreted making mankind? also where are you getting this "angry, vengeful, and jealous, and throw a tantrum by flooding the world" from? Is that your interpretation. The reason the Earth was flooded was because of all the bad that was going on at the time and a punishment was necessary. Hey, if God did in fact regret creating man kind then he could reverse time.

Andreas is right; I got it from Genesis 6: And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

The thing was, God originally created man in his image, and his "project" failed when man turned corrupt, and decided to wipe out the earth completely except for Noah and his family. It's interesting how in this version, it says, "repenteth" rather than "regret." Anyway, it's a pretty harsh punishment considering how easy we're getting off these days. If corruption started with Adam and Eve, then there will always be corruption. If God had to wipe the earth and start over again, was God even aware that the cycle will continue? And as for reversing time, God didn't do just that. If he reversed time, then the flood wouldn't happen and God would go right back to Adam and Eve and take away that tree of wisdom.

[Matt]

it's all too confusing....i think we all lack the necessary religious education to be taking part in serious discussions.

[Andreas Dahl]

Well that none of us are educated on a high level in any religion shouldn't stop us from debating... It's the whole point really.

Do you think that if your parents were not religious, you would be??

My parents are not very religious, but they are christians. And I wasn't raised with religion at all, but even if I were, I don't think I would be religious these days, although in the start, sure.
They even gave me the option of being baptized (that is in my oppinion the best thing a parent can do, religious or not), which I didn't want to (since it pretty much just is a confirmation of a faith which I am not a part of), even though the rest of my family was...

[Jona]

I think the best thing a parent can do in terms of religion, is to let their children (in an appropriate age) decide their own faith.

[bullsfan009]

I think the best thing a parent can do in terms of religion, is to let their children (in an appropriate age) decide their own faith.

That's tough for me. If I were a parent, I would want my kid to believe in what I believed to be true, especially because it can better their lives (not to mention afterlives ).

I guess you're supposed to have faith that your kid will come to believe like you do one day, but I'd rather be teaching it to them from the start. I'll be open and tolerant for them to believe differently from me (not give out whoopings for them not believing in God), but definitely telling that this is what I believe, and why.

It's your child- you want what's best for them, you know? And if you truly believe in your faith, then it's only natural to want to share it with them. You just gotta have tolerance, that's gotta be the hardest thing as a parent, because most kids will rebel sooner or later, 'cause they want their independence. (Believe me, I know )

You just gotta see it from the other side, if you know what I mean...