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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby benji on Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:37 pm

Awesome. AWESOME.

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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby J@3 on Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:44 pm

I'm not sure why he has a child in his stomach on his poster.
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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby [Q] on Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:45 pm

so I went to the Orange County voting site and it reminded me that in 2008 I drove back to my old apartment in Newport Beach to vote. Since it's obviously too late to change anything now, I guess I have to drive back there to vote again. I really gotta get this changed.
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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby Oznogrd on Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:20 am

benji, yesterday i spoke to a friend who didnt intend to vote. After I showed him a video or two of alvin greene...he went to vote today for the sole purpose of voting for him.

Your powers are astounding :lol:
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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby cyanide on Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:10 am

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I think I posted this many years back, but I used to run a Penny Hardaway website and one of Shawn Bradley's foster daughters emailed me telling me that her dad (Shawn) didn't like the video of Penny dunking over him yadda yadda yadda I ended up getting an autographed card and photo of him shooting a free throw. Given our similar ages, she is probably the tallish one on the left corner.
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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby [Q] on Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:53 am

she must have gotten tired of emailing all those tmac fansites

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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby rise on Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:59 am

The thing is... Who can't dunk on Shawn Bradley?
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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby Oznogrd on Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:44 am

my 3 votes (me, grandma, and my buddy) for alvin were far from enough as Demint ran away with it.

But at least the Witch lost.

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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby benji on Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:56 pm

http://twitter.com/greeneforsenate/status/29528578296
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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby Lamrock on Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:12 pm

:lol: Love that guy.
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Postby J@3 on Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:12 pm

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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby benji on Wed Nov 03, 2010 2:48 pm

Looking like California said no to marijuana. But they're saying yes to a simple majority for budget and yes to 2/3rds for taxes so, lol, not sure how that's going to work.

Chris Dudley's currently in the lead, but only by a few votes.

Looks like I'll be one or two off for the Senate, House is actually going to go more for Fear than I projected and I was saying it would more so than everyone else, and Governors seems like it'll be right unless Dudley, Foley and Brady pull it off. Was right on Chafee, way wrong on Tancredo, and Cutler was the second guy apparently.

Snyder won, and Obama is still President. So got those right.

With 94% in, Greene got 28% of the vote. What county are you guys in illini? He almost got 70% in Allendale County. He almost got out-polled by the Green candidate in Lexington County. I also missed this tweet earlier:
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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby benji on Wed Nov 03, 2010 9:02 pm

I thought I'd make a post about what this election "means" for those who were wondering, since I'm seeing a lot of insane stuff everywhere. (The people asking "should I be afraid for me and my family?" are the best. Honest. If you think politics matters maybe you should say, pay attention and get educated instead of popping in every other year when the nutjob (I chose MSNBC this year, as I did last year, and as I did FOX in 2006 and 2008 (which was really disappointing btw damn FOX LIBRULS, MSNBC though...), NBC was 2004, you need the depression, the anger, the justifications for why you aren't wrong but the winners are, etc.) on the TeeVee talks about it?)

Short version: Nothing.

Long version: Well, still nothing but there are some complexities to it.

First, let's note that anyone who can understand things was not shocked by this. Look at my OP prediction, that was basically the same one I had since April or May. Arguing with the numbers was irrational like always, it's why I declared Obama the President the instant he beat Hillary. (I think I did so in the thread here if anyone wants proof.) The questions were on which specific races went the way they did, and the Rethuglican surge in the House we saw late that I hedged against turned out to be accurate while almost everyone else ignored it. (There was a wave in the GOP-friendly media about 70 some seats this weekend, it turned out to more correct than the DEM-friendly media's 45-55 seats. I like TV's Andy Levy had figured it would be like 60-65.) Also, Snyder in Michigan, everyone else was being silly when I was telling them if he won the GOP primary he'd win in a landslide. He led in polls the entire time, the media saw a "tightening race" and he won by the biggest landslide in like forever. This stuff not rocket science bros.

Second, the Senate required a perfect storm, again the question was which went which way, but it was always a 6-8 GOP gain. There was literally zero chance they could win the Senate, unless there was some kind of insane wave which I was somewhat hoping for just so things would not be boring, plus all the bitter tears. (The best part of an election where there are no winners!)

Third, how does this matter? Well, it makes the point of why nothing will happen. Many GOPers campaigned on repealing the PPACA monstrosity but there was never any chance of this happening as well, Obama still has the veto. The fact I left on MSNBC coverage of the election most of the night, and whenever they talked about this I paid attention yet nobody ever said it was moot because well OBAMA IS STILL THE FUCKING PRESIDENT. Talk about "intentional lack of knowledge" that white Canadian idiots like. There's basically nothing that the GOP House will be doing, and even had they won the Senate nothing would have happened, Obama is going to veto all of it. If the GOP holds ground in the House and Obama holds ground, nothing is going to happen even if the Senate works anything out. This is actually what happened last term even with the Dem majorities. The House was more willing to enact a Progressive agenda, but the Senate, as is it's role, wanted slightly less stupid ideas. While the Senate passed stupid health insurance and financial bills, they wouldn't bite on the House's even stupider cap and trade, health insurance and financial bills. If anything gets out of the Senate, it's going to be the same except the House is not going to just pass the Senate bills to get SOMETHING. Some exceptions? Of course, but little of import will be changing.

Fourth, what about a shutdown? Depends. The House should be playing a long con here, they have 2012 to target but differently from what Gingrich did in 1995. It's not about targeting Obama this time if the GOP is smart, like Gingrich went after Clinton. There is a serious chance the GOP can let Obama be re-elected, and pick up another 6-8 Senate seats and even more House seats. This isn't even considering that if Obama's numbers keep falling, Hillary enters the picture as a primary challenge in which case then you can start thinking about major successes. Then you hold on 2014 (a bad GOP class) and you have a chance in 2016 to not just re-elect tonights gains plus but run someone like Marco Rubio as your "change" candidate. And the long con depends on...

Fifth, the Tea Party? Yes, of course it does. The Tea Party might be the best part of this entire election, and even if you hate them you should consider it so. Why? They've demonstrated the ability to legitimately challenge the GOP elites without party support. Paul, Miller, Lee, Rubio, O'Donnell, Snyder, Angle, Toomey, Haley, even Tancredo, all challenged the GOP establishment against heavy odds and lesser cash and WON, and half of them have gone on to win in the general. We won't even talk about gobs of House races, and lower State races where this happened. Democrats obsessed over Lamont taking the nomination from Lieberman but then bailed when he lost and they showed none of that impetus this year even in his Governor's race. No matter what you think of these candidates (many of them have obvious issues), or someone like Alvin Greene, we should applaud the Tea Party for not just backing candidates they were fully behind that took out legacies like Bennet or Murkowski but vaporized candidates who had full party backing and entire machines behind them like Grayson, Crist, Cox and so on. Taking down the Bush/Rove/Frist/Hastert structure was worth it alone.

Sixth, the Tea Party in the caucus? Wonderful. If they maintain an independent streak, buck the party was Paul and Rubio have both said they will, or if they reach across the aisle on common points as Snyder and Haley have claimed they will, then what is the problem? Too many commentators approach things as a zero sum game, WHO IS THE WINNER? When that's not why we should be electing people. If there is enough of a "Tea Party" segment to deny Boehner the Speaker? Awesome, even if it's Cantor. We all agree Congress sucks, why not want shocks to the system? (This never fails to amuse me, but I am easy, that people hate all of it but will keep electing the same people because it might get worse even though we think it's horrible!) There's also an added bonus, the Tea Party has already informed the GOP of its early capability. The GOP faces a threat in that if they don't capitulate enough they will face more challenges, more issues, and I don't see why the ire will not be directed as much at the GOP as the rest, since they are for now their representatives. The Left will hold together, especially while Obama exists, so there is no chance of picking off the Tea Party, not to mention they want to not just raise taxes but spend trillions more which are anathemas to the Tea Party so the GOP was the obvious target. Had the GOP won the Senate, this might have made things seem like it was "done" whereas now there's two obvious targets. The Senate and Obama.

Seventh, California gets what it deserves. At least Michigan is going to try something new for a change. (Even though it's going to fail. At least it's new!)

Oh, and Shawn Bradley lost. :(
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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby Oznogrd on Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:56 pm

We're in spartanburg county benji...trust me, demint probly won in a landslide. I think i only saw 2 people who weren't old and white voting..and most of them weren't voting for alvin greene.
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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby puttincomputers on Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:10 am

ya.
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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby [Q] on Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:58 am

benji wrote:I thought I'd make a post about what this election "means" for those who were wondering, since I'm seeing a lot of insane stuff everywhere. (The people asking "should I be afraid for me and my family?" are the best. Honest. If you think politics matters maybe you should say, pay attention and get educated instead of popping in every other year when the nutjob (I chose MSNBC this year, as I did last year, and as I did FOX in 2006 and 2008 (which was really disappointing btw damn FOX LIBRULS, MSNBC though...), NBC was 2004, you need the depression, the anger, the justifications for why you aren't wrong but the winners are, etc.) on the TeeVee talks about it?)

Short version: Nothing.

Long version: Well, still nothing but there are some complexities to it.

First, let's note that anyone who can understand things was not shocked by this. Look at my OP prediction, that was basically the same one I had since April or May. Arguing with the numbers was irrational like always, it's why I declared Obama the President the instant he beat Hillary. (I think I did so in the thread here if anyone wants proof.) The questions were on which specific races went the way they did, and the Rethuglican surge in the House we saw late that I hedged against turned out to be accurate while almost everyone else ignored it. (There was a wave in the GOP-friendly media about 70 some seats this weekend, it turned out to more correct than the DEM-friendly media's 45-55 seats. I like TV's Andy Levy had figured it would be like 60-65.) Also, Snyder in Michigan, everyone else was being silly when I was telling them if he won the GOP primary he'd win in a landslide. He led in polls the entire time, the media saw a "tightening race" and he won by the biggest landslide in like forever. This stuff not rocket science bros.

Second, the Senate required a perfect storm, again the question was which went which way, but it was always a 6-8 GOP gain. There was literally zero chance they could win the Senate, unless there was some kind of insane wave which I was somewhat hoping for just so things would not be boring, plus all the bitter tears. (The best part of an election where there are no winners!)

Third, how does this matter? Well, it makes the point of why nothing will happen. Many GOPers campaigned on repealing the PPACA monstrosity but there was never any chance of this happening as well, Obama still has the veto. The fact I left on MSNBC coverage of the election most of the night, and whenever they talked about this I paid attention yet nobody ever said it was moot because well OBAMA IS STILL THE FUCKING PRESIDENT. Talk about "intentional lack of knowledge" that white Canadian idiots like. There's basically nothing that the GOP House will be doing, and even had they won the Senate nothing would have happened, Obama is going to veto all of it. If the GOP holds ground in the House and Obama holds ground, nothing is going to happen even if the Senate works anything out. This is actually what happened last term even with the Dem majorities. The House was more willing to enact a Progressive agenda, but the Senate, as is it's role, wanted slightly less stupid ideas. While the Senate passed stupid health insurance and financial bills, they wouldn't bite on the House's even stupider cap and trade, health insurance and financial bills. If anything gets out of the Senate, it's going to be the same except the House is not going to just pass the Senate bills to get SOMETHING. Some exceptions? Of course, but little of import will be changing.

Fourth, what about a shutdown? Depends. The House should be playing a long con here, they have 2012 to target but differently from what Gingrich did in 1995. It's not about targeting Obama this time if the GOP is smart, like Gingrich went after Clinton. There is a serious chance the GOP can let Obama be re-elected, and pick up another 6-8 Senate seats and even more House seats. This isn't even considering that if Obama's numbers keep falling, Hillary enters the picture as a primary challenge in which case then you can start thinking about major successes. Then you hold on 2014 (a bad GOP class) and you have a chance in 2016 to not just re-elect tonights gains plus but run someone like Marco Rubio as your "change" candidate. And the long con depends on...

Fifth, the Tea Party? Yes, of course it does. The Tea Party might be the best part of this entire election, and even if you hate them you should consider it so. Why? They've demonstrated the ability to legitimately challenge the GOP elites without party support. Paul, Miller, Lee, Rubio, O'Donnell, Snyder, Angle, Toomey, Haley, even Tancredo, all challenged the GOP establishment against heavy odds and lesser cash and WON, and half of them have gone on to win in the general. We won't even talk about gobs of House races, and lower State races where this happened. Democrats obsessed over Lamont taking the nomination from Lieberman but then bailed when he lost and they showed none of that impetus this year even in his Governor's race. No matter what you think of these candidates (many of them have obvious issues), or someone like Alvin Greene, we should applaud the Tea Party for not just backing candidates they were fully behind that took out legacies like Bennet or Murkowski but vaporized candidates who had full party backing and entire machines behind them like Grayson, Crist, Cox and so on. Taking down the Bush/Rove/Frist/Hastert structure was worth it alone.

Sixth, the Tea Party in the caucus? Wonderful. If they maintain an independent streak, buck the party was Paul and Rubio have both said they will, or if they reach across the aisle on common points as Snyder and Haley have claimed they will, then what is the problem? Too many commentators approach things as a zero sum game, WHO IS THE WINNER? When that's not why we should be electing people. If there is enough of a "Tea Party" segment to deny Boehner the Speaker? Awesome, even if it's Cantor. We all agree Congress sucks, why not want shocks to the system? (This never fails to amuse me, but I am easy, that people hate all of it but will keep electing the same people because it might get worse even though we think it's horrible!) There's also an added bonus, the Tea Party has already informed the GOP of its early capability. The GOP faces a threat in that if they don't capitulate enough they will face more challenges, more issues, and I don't see why the ire will not be directed as much at the GOP as the rest, since they are for now their representatives. The Left will hold together, especially while Obama exists, so there is no chance of picking off the Tea Party, not to mention they want to not just raise taxes but spend trillions more which are anathemas to the Tea Party so the GOP was the obvious target. Had the GOP won the Senate, this might have made things seem like it was "done" whereas now there's two obvious targets. The Senate and Obama.

Seventh, California gets what it deserves. At least Michigan is going to try something new for a change. (Even though it's going to fail. At least it's new!)

Oh, and Shawn Bradley lost. :(

i think i just read through an episode of the daily show. :lol:
yahoo says dudley's race is close and he is in a slight lead but i guess they're still waiting on that.
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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby benji on Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:13 am

Oregon only votes by mail, so they have to wait for the ballots to arrive before they can count them. Dudley is probably going to lose though.
Oznogrd wrote:We're in spartanburg county benji...trust me, demint probly won in a landslide. I think i only saw 2 people who weren't old and white voting..and most of them weren't voting for alvin greene.

70-22-8. Voted 5 points ahead for Haley too.
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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby benji on Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:39 am

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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby cyanide on Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:29 am

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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby puttincomputers on Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:40 pm



um, have you not heard about glenn beck? his rally, he says we need to stop the craziness in washington, had more people than this terrible comedy show.
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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby Lamrock on Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:12 pm

Kitzhaber just beat Dudley. (Y)
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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby Oznogrd on Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:15 pm

new custom title inspired by the brilliance of the Alvin Greene links benji just posted.

Just beating out "run for what?"
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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby benji on Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:49 pm

Looking at South Carolina's demographics, 29% of the population is black. 90% of that is 26%. So it's theoretically possible that the only people who voted for Greene were blacks, the select non-blacks who voted straight ticket Democrat, and then the handful of people who vote for the best candidate available.

Allendale County is 71% black, and Greene got 70% of the vote. Lexington County is 13% black, and Greene got 13% of the vote. Dillon County is 45% black, went 47% for Greene. Hampton County is 55% black, 55% for Greene. Jasper County is 53% black, and 53% for Greene.

I note those last three counties for a particular reason. Those three South Carolina counties are historically famous for having voted 100% for fervent racist, segregationist and worst American in history Woodow Wilson in 1912 and 1916. The last time a candidate got every single vote for three or more counties of a state, something that died off with Jim Crow.

EDIT: Won't make a new post this time, since nobody will read it anyway.

I was thinking a bit, reflecting back to things noted in the earlier post, the oft mentioned "the Tea Party is just mostly Republicans!" Which I always felt was an odd attempt to smear by association. It's also another show of how historically ignorant people are.

Let us assume that the Tea Party is the largest current political protest movement. (In America, let's not talk about the idiots in France, for example.) I think this is a valid claim, but people could disagree, but let's work from the idea I'm right regarding the claim. The last large protest movement was the anti-war movement from 2003-2006. Like Freedom Works, Tea Party Express and other groups, the anti-war protests of that period were organized and run by A.N.S.W.E.R. and Workers World Party. I actually don't see a problem with this. Were the Marxist groups hoping to co-opt the anti-war movement which had large sympathetic demographics? Yes, same as the GOP and LP affiliated and other groups that have been running Tea Party events. Including yes, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck and FOX News. This is what happens. Does nobody remember Cindy Sheehan? Who went from media sensation to media pariah the instant she dared challenge the Democratic establishment as she had Bush?

I think it was stupid for members of the right or Republicans to attempt to claim anti-war sentiment was Marxist fakery, similarly of why I consider making accusations towards the Tea Party is insidious. People can be anti-war but completely wrong without having to also be Marxists. Similarly people can decry the economic/tax/spending/debt state and Obama's policies in general without being racist or Republican plants. Consider that anti-war movements started WHILE the Democrats were supporting Iraq, and that the Tea Parties began WHILE Bush was pushing through TARP. The Stimulus and PPACA were just piling on.

But that's not the historical parallel I'm thinking of. I can actually think of tons, such as abolition in the 1840s. Now you're probably saying "blargh rarg teabaggers blah blah" but I'm making a descriptive analogy, not a content analogy. I could talk about the revolutions of the 1960s and 1970s which led to McGovern/Carter and Reagan within the two parties due to resistence movements very similar to the Tea Party, but let's stick to 1840 because it was the last death of a party while working in Perot which was the last time a non-party person could have won.

Perot is the modern roots of the Tea Party, if we take them at their word, which I see no reason not to, in that Perot won his plurality based on deficits, debts, spending, etc. And like then it's disaffected Republicans and independents making things up. Bush lost his core over the tax increases and rejection of Reagan, and they didn't trust Clinton because of Democratic history, which Clinton (like Obama despite his rhetoric) confirmed early on and so brought in a Republican Congress for the first time in 40 years. I'm surprised nobody has polled on this, I have to imagine the Perot vote is high within the Tea Party.

Perot was a single person though, it wasn't ever a viable third party movement. So the Tea Party as noted is now attempting to take over the favorable party, the Republicans. Their ideas would not go anywhere in the party that thinks it can tax and spend its way out of a crisis, the only flaw was that it may have ignored its agreed upon principles and started voting for people who support other less broad goals that split the Tea Party coalition, as the Perot coalition was eventually destroyed.

However, and I may be approaching this wrong, but two years from now the Tea Party should be even a greater force in 2012, so that when 2014 and 2016 comes around and we're basically going to fall over the cliff there may actually be some kind of political force that decides to challenge the two failures of parties we have and pushes to actually roll back government to save the nation. A terrible disaster is going to happen, but the damage might be minimized enough that we can go on. Going back to 1840, we did this before. Slavery was tearing the Whigs, Democrats and the nation apart, and the Whigs were too willing to compromise with the Democrats, the abolitionists (aka religious nutjobs aka Tea Party aka people worrying about a crisis) decided to eschew the Whigs who had failed completely to form the Republican Party focused primarily around one issue. Nothing could be reached out of that because one side was committed to the enslavement of people they didn't like which led to an unnecessary war just to preserve the violation of liberty.

But of course, me hoping for a major non-party movement that increases in power concerned about the disaster anyone sane can see is coming and may be able to put something in place to make sure it doesn't happen in the worst way is "extremist" and "fear" so what do I know. Those dangerous abolitionists thought it about Slavery and that dangerous isolationist Taft thought it about Vietnam too. Thankfully we now have media to distract us instead of backbreaking labor, I think Huxley was a fan of this.
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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby shadowgrin on Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:58 pm

Only thing I care about this is that the high priest of Aqua Buddha won. Never doubt the power of the Aqua Buddha.
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Re: 2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime,

Postby puttincomputers on Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:46 am

Have yal heard about this trip of Obamas to india?
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