The Debate Thread: Age of Consent and Sexting

[Andrew]

I agree, by all means make that distinction in the law.

[Oznogrd]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5497517

Interesting story of someone on the sex registry that i'm not sure exactly deserves it.

Not condoning sleeping with your 15 year old sister, but if it was consensual? who gives a fuck?

[J@3]

It was his sister. You could make the "who gives a fuck, it was consensual" argument for a regular 16 year old and a 15 year old but his biological sister? That's all kinds of fucked up.

[Oznogrd]

It was his sister. You could make the "who gives a fuck, it was consensual" argument for a regular 16 year old and a 15 year old but his biological sister? That's all kinds of fucked up.

*shrug* maybe im weird but yeah i dont see it as alot different with a regular 16 year old and 15 year old. Older societies used to "keep the family line" alive by this shit all the time. Sure it resulted in hemophilia and other mutations which i guess is natures way of saying "dont fuck your siblings" but this guy is on the registry from what it sounds like was two (fucked up) teenage kids who got bored.

[J@3]

If she had become pregnant, her kids father would also be its brother. So technically its mother would also be its sister. Those kids must have either been dumb as shit or had terrible parents to even think it was cool for them to go at it.

[Oznogrd]

If she had become pregnant, her kids father would also be its brother. So technically its mother would also be its sister. Those kids must have either been dumb as shit or had terrible parents to even think it was cool for them to go at it.

Terrible parents is part of it. Not excusing it but apparently there was abuse at a young age of the guy, dunno bout the sister but i'd assume the parenting wasnt any better.

[Andrew]

Interesting read and certainly a sad story. I'd agree that it does highlight the harshness of the sex offender laws, as well as police corruption as it's clear they wanted to put someone in prison. However, in that particular case, I'm not sure you'd ever rid yourself of the stigma of having committed incest, consensual or otherwise, though I guess it's something that needn't come up if you're not actually a registered sex offender.

[koberulz]

though I guess it's something that needn't come up

Exactly. He's having to mail out flyers to everyone to let them know what he did, because the law sees him as an imminent threat to other children. It's simply stupid.

[Andrew]

I agree, disregarding the incest it's a good example of how a teenage mistake involving two people very close in age can lump someone in with people who are actual threats to children. As for the incest part - which would probably still come out at some point though not as readily if he's not a registered sex offender - well, that's a stigma you'd just have to live with.

[Doobie]

I haven't really read through this thread but recently I had a situation involving a younger girl. Since the day I met her she told me she was 19, so I didn't think much of it, we spoke on the phone a lot and developed a closeness, and we had made plans to meet up when I go back to New Jersey and well I haven't gone back yet. So whatever we kept talking, I was obviously into her and she was into me, and her birthday came up so people commented on her facebook and one person said "I can't believe you are finally 17, took you long enough." or something along those lines. She deleted it within 10 minutes, but I saw it already.

Anyways point is, she sent me pictures and I deleted them as soon as I found out her real age, maybe I was foolish for believing her age, but when you meet a girl who looks the age she says she is, are you really going to ask for ID? It was an honest mistake by my part, but can you blame me?

[shadowgrin]

I haven't really read through this thread but recently I had a situation involving a younger girl. Since the day I met her she told me she was 19, so I didn't think much of it, we spoke on the phone a lot and developed a closeness, and we had made plans to meet up when I go back to New Jersey and well I haven't gone back yet. So whatever we kept talking, I was obviously into her and she was into me, and her birthday came up so people commented on her facebook and one person said "I can't believe you are finally 17, took you long enough." or something along those lines. She deleted it within 10 minutes, but I saw it already.

Anyways point is, she sent me pictures and I deleted them as soon as I found out her real age, maybe I was foolish for believing her age, but when you meet a girl who looks the age she says she is, are you really going to ask for ID? It was an honest mistake by my part, but can you blame me?

Quoted for the FBI, Mr. Sael.

[Doobie]

Mr. Papio, I am the FBI.

[Laxation]

I forgot I had posted in here, and can't be bothered arguing with an idiot like koberulz, so I'll let someone else do it for me.

http://www.child-abuse-effects.com/sexu ... fects.html

fucking bullshit rape doesn't hurt. you're an asshole.

keep in mind I didn't read anything after viewtopic.php?f=22&t=74613&start=0#p1242316 so if you changed your stance since then, i apologise in advance. otherwise go to hell.

[koberulz]

It depends on how you define rape and sexual abuse. It's an activity being designated abuse merely because of the age of the supposed victim that I have a problem with - actual abuse can and should be dealt with as it is now. That's basically what the entire thread is about, which you'd know if you actually read it.

Sexual contact between people under the age of 18/16/whatever is not necessarily abusive, thus the 'nobody gets hurt' claim. If someone does get hurt, then yes, it's abuse and should land the perpetrator in jail. However, if nobody gets hurt - not because it's impossible for sexual abuse to hurt but because it's a consensual relationship and the younger party is mature enough to understand the implications (something that has nothing to do with age) - then there shouldn't be a legal issue.

Of course, these decisions are being made by the same people that are recommending we mutilate our children, but that's a different subject.

[Laxation]

You're a fucking moron. The younger person IS NOT MATURE ENOUGH to make decisions. Anytime anyone over 18 has sex with someone underage IT IS child abuse. It is rape.

Shouldn't be a legal issue... jesus fuck.


please dont ever have kids.

[benji]

Shouldn't be a legal issue... jesus fuck.

Well, if you want to codify it into law and punish people for doing it...

[J@3]

I think he's quoting koberulz saying "there shouldn't be a legal issue".

[benji]

Then I guess I should read his posts for a change.

[Laxation]

Youre not missing much, most of what I say is a load of shit.

[benji]

Didn't mean your posts.

[koberulz]

You're a fucking moron. The younger person IS NOT MATURE ENOUGH to make decisions. Anytime anyone over 18 has sex with someone underage IT IS child abuse. It is rape.

Bullshit. Maturity is independent of age. I've seen people under the age of 18 far more mature and responsible than people over the age of 18. It's just not as simple as saying that people under a certain age are incapable of any sort of maturity. If it were, the age of consent would be the same everywhere. But to treat a 19 year old and a 17 year old having sex the same way you treat a 50 year old and a 5 year old having sex is simply stupid.

[Laxation]

I'm not going to argue with you about the merits of raping underage kids any more. It is so well documented about the damages that can be done that if you think otherwise, you're treading the fine line between ignorance and absolute retardation.

Just please, for the love of god, don't have any kids. Especially with a 14 year old.

[koberulz]

Nobody was ever discussing the 'merits' of raping underage kids. The discussion is about when consensual sex becomes rape on account of one party's inability to consent due to lack of maturity. Pretty sure everyone here agrees that rape, and indeed any form of sexual abuse, is bad, but age of consent laws, particularly the application thereof in which protections normally afforded to minors are ignored thus leaving people on sex offender's registries for having sex with someone their own age, are flawed.

[benji]

phpBB [video]

[koberulz]

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/27 ... index.html

A California police officer is on paid administrative leave after being accused of faking the arrest of a young man he believed had sex with his 14-year-old daughter.

Parents of the boy, who is thought to be 15 years old, made a videotape that showed some of the fake arrest, which they gave to the San Jose Mercury News newspaper in San Jose, California.

In it, the officer -- armed and in uniform -- is seen lecturing the boy inside his home for several minutes. The boy is handcuffed throughout much of the tape.

"Growing up, being in high school, a cop's daughter is not someone you mess around with. You're stupid," the officer is heard telling the boy. "The district attorney will probably file charges."

Both of their faces were blurred out in the tape.

Paul and Nicole Villarruel, the boy's parents, spoke to ABC's "Good Morning America" Monday, accusing the officer of overstepping his rights and abusing authority.

"He's an officer. He's an authority figure. ... We thought our son was getting arrested and there was nothing we can do," Nicole Villarruel told GMA.

But the officer's lawyer disagrees. She says the boy's parents knew her client and that his mother had previously reached out to the officer for help with her "troubled" son.

"On this occasion, the officer was not there as part of an official investigation, but as a concerned parent, attempting to navigate the difficult challenges associated with raising a teenager," Terry Bowman, the officer's lawyer, said in a statement.

"The officer was essentially invited to use 'scare straight' tactics and there were no objections to the lecture or the handcuffing. Everything was done in the spirit of reaching a troubled young man who is heading down the wrong path. Prior to leaving, the parents thanked the officer and shook his hand," she said.

The officer is currently on paid administration leave pending an investigation, said Sgt. Ronnie Lopez with the San Jose Police Department.

The district attorney is also reviewing the matter.

"After a complete review of the facts and evidence, we will make a decision whether to file criminal charges against the officer involved in this case," said Amy Cornell, a spokeswoman for the Santa Clara County District Attorney's Office.