Political Compass Test

I think you need to pay attention to the news. Big corporations crashed the economy, and then started firing people, at a time when people needed jobs the most. Corporations do not do what people want, they brainwash them and steal their money. You are being incredibly naive about what corporations have been doing to this country. Grow up, do some research and learn about the real world. Maybe then you will see the threat we are facing in this country that has just been increased by the Supreme Court throwing out the Constitution and opposing what the people want.

You still haven't answered what corporation is providing your internet connection and the computer/laptop that you are using right now.
Oh and most news/media are part of corporations. Why should I trust the news?

I think I like this idea that businesses should be forced to continue employing people indefinitely no matter what the conditions of the business, it's similar to the idea that health insurance companies should be forced to cover everyone and everything without raising premiums and still stay in business somehow.

Damn that Enron for going out of business and taking jobs away from all those people!

I think you need to pay attention to the news. Big corporations crashed the economy, and then started firing people, at a time when people needed jobs the most. Corporations do not do what people want, they brainwash them and steal their money. You are being incredibly naive about what corporations have been doing to this country. Grow up, do some research and learn about the real world. Maybe then you will see the threat we are facing in this country that has just been increased by the Supreme Court throwing out the Constitution and opposing what the people want.

1. Shadow's right. Who owns the news companies? Fox, Reuters, AOL Time Warner, NBC...hmm all sound like corporations to me.

2. I'm not naive: hence my point i understand that not all corporations are ethical. They're not.

3. You're acting like politicians arent all corrupt fucks. People know nothing and therefore vote in idiots. Ive done it as has every single person who's cast a vote in an american election. We're a motherfucking republic, not a democracy and the will of the people is lost in the middle.

I'm with shadow. You're ignoring the relevant reasoning/questioning and just spewing off at the mouth more.

In response I have this to say:
http://www.tubechop.com/watch/81012

Nathan Fillion said it!!! IT MUST BE TRUE ZOMG!!! BROWNCOATS FTW!! JOSS IS SO INDIE HE'S FREE FROM CORPORATE RULE AND SO IS EVERYONE HE'S WORKED WITH!

I'm still waiting for his suggestion "against" those big corporations...Boycotting them and all their subsidiaries/by-products? That doesn't leave a whole lot left to do/eat/drink/watch/read/etc...

The point is that all corporations should be taken over by the people and not allowed to steal from the people. Only then can we be a free people.

And Orornogrod, media companies are different, the New York Times and MSNBC spend all of their days trying to expose these secret corporate plots. Which is why they should get government funding, and be managed by the people as NPR and PBS are, while racist hate groups like Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and the KKK should be shut down and thrown in jail for inciting hate and violence.

Not to mention the fact that you oppose democracy exposes how you want to rule over people from your corporate office, if the people as a whole, by a majority should not rule and decide everything then who shall? Are you calling upon anarchy? Do you really want this country to turn into Somalia? Because without a strong central government that acts in the name of the people that is what you will get!

We are literally facing the destruction of this country at the hands of the corporations, if you do not stand in the way of their invasion, then you are not fit to defend our children against their modern holocaust.

PAUL23, FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME.

And Orornogrod, media companies are different, the New York Times and MSNBC spend all of their days trying to expose these secret corporate plots.

If my name's too hard for you just go with Oz.

And NYT and MSNBC to spend all day trying to expose secret corporate plots: they spend all day trying to sell advertising to make money. They're businesses. Its about making money. It always will be.

More hatred from people who haven't got their talking points today.

And the NYT and MSNBC are unbiased, same as PBS and NPR, I can prove this to you if you want. I just know you'll dismiss their facts as part of the "duhhh librual media" so I don't bother.

Prove it. Instead of copping out by saying "I just know you'll dismiss the facts so I don't bother" bullshite.

More hatred from people who haven't got their talking points today.

And the NYT and MSNBC are unbiased, same as PBS and NPR, I can prove this to you if you want. I just know you'll dismiss their facts as part of the "duhhh librual media" so I don't bother.

Everyone has bias. It's impossible to remove bias from any situation. PBS, NPR, NYT, MSNBC. Everyone.

Hypothetically.
Lets say a study came around proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that nobody listens to PBS and NPR and therefore they are irrelevant and should be abolished. Would they report that? Hell no. Even though they aren't money making ventures: they are going to keep their best interest at heart: giving them bias.

If it wasn't about making money, the papers/channels whatever media outlets you're talking about wouldn't exist. Trust me, if those places start losing money: their ownership would sell faster than i sold my grandmother's cane to deadpool for a buck.

Btw: i love the liberal media. They amuse me. As does the non liberal media...so...yeah. I take all news with a grain of salt nowadays and i rarely believe anything i hear.

Typical. Attack a "liberal media" instead of accepting the obvious facts. NPR and PBS deliver only facts. CNN, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, and so on do the same. Your hatred of reality says more than your assault on the "liberal media" ever could. You either stand with reality, where a government can ensure a proper managing of life or you deny reality and wish to bring anarchy and death upon us all. Simple choice, make your decision. Thanks to Bush we cannot pretend about these things any longer.

Typical. Attack a "liberal media" instead of accepting the obvious facts. NPR and PBS deliver only facts. CNN, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, and so on do the same. Your hatred of reality says more than your assault on the "liberal media" ever could. You either stand with reality, where a government can ensure a proper managing of life or you deny reality and wish to bring anarchy and death upon us all. Simple choice, make your decision. Thanks to Bush we cannot pretend about these things any longer.

What are these obvious facts? I want facts and not your own opinionated talking points. Present the facts.

To quote myself in this thread:

Prove it. Instead of copping out by saying "I just know you'll dismiss the facts so I don't bother" bullshite.

To get back to the original topic (somewhat), what exactly is the left-right distinction, anyway?

To get back to the original topic (somewhat), what exactly is the left-right distinction, anyway?

In school it was defined to me as the Left wants things to change and the Right enjoys the status quo. But that simplifies it way too much. I think ill let benji field this one, because honestly im unsure where the lines are anymore.

NPR and PBS deliver only facts. CNN, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, and so on do the same.

How could networks like NBC, CBS or CNN be delivering only facts and be unbiased? For someone who claims to be educated enough to understand these things, you obviously haven't done any amount of research to see who those companies are affiliated to, and to backup your theories. You should probably think twice before claiming such absurdities.

The point is that all corporations should be taken over by the people and not allowed to steal from the people. Only then can we be a free people.

Do you know what a "publicly traded corporation" is? It is a company that is owned by stockholders - not necessarily people that work for the company. What that means is that the people DO own the corporation. If it's a private corporation, that's different, but private corporations are typically regional operations.

And Orornogrod, media companies are different, the New York Times and MSNBC spend all of their days trying to expose these secret corporate plots. Which is why they should get government funding, and be managed by the people as NPR and PBS are, while racist hate groups like Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and the KKK should be shut down and thrown in jail for inciting hate and violence.

Wow. You do realize that MSNBC is to the left what Fox is to the right, correct? The news anchors of MSNBC inject their opinions into every news story...and I say ANCHORS, not talking heads like Olberman. Bret Baird and Shepard Smith at Fox at least report the news as news...but the opinion people are nutty. Entertaining, but nutty. You also left out the Wall St Journal (best newspaper out there, imo) and CNBC (least biased of all US networks, excluding PBS). If you aren't watching CNBC or reading the journal, then you're off. Also, you do know that GE owns NBC, right? You don't think there will be any sort of corporate bias interjected into MSNBC/NBC/CNBC by the corporation that owns them and is vying for government contracts? Nah, couldn't be...

Not to mention the fact that you oppose democracy exposes how you want to rule over people from your corporate office, if the people as a whole, by a majority should not rule and decide everything then who shall? Are you calling upon anarchy? Do you really want this country to turn into Somalia? Because without a strong central government that acts in the name of the people that is what you will get!

What's wrong with you? Someone already said this, but the US is a republic, not a democracy. A true democracy would mean that each person votes on the laws...doesn't work too well for California, does it? We have a strong central government, too strong in fact. This country will turn into Somalia if tons of people like you turn this country into a country that runs on a socialist-lite platform.

We are literally facing the destruction of this country at the hands of the corporations, if you do not stand in the way of their invasion, then you are not fit to defend our children against their modern holocaust.

No, we're facing the destruction of this country at the hands of morons like you that don't know how the world works or have any basic comprehension of economics. The reason why this country is as strong and wealthy as it is today is due to corporations. The reason why the standard of living in this country is so high is because of corporations. The reason why we have the largest GDP of any nation in the world is because of corporations. The reason why we pay the largest portion for every international pet project is because of corporations. Why are corporations responsible? Because of tax revenue. They pay their employees well, who in turn pay local sales tax, property tax, state tax, and federal tax. Those corporations pay corporate taxes. Without tax revenue, this country is screwed and can't operate (see state budgets).

Idiots like you are the ones who voted in a president and congress who, instead of focusing on jobs - which is the prime driving force of the economy - focused instead on massive spending packages and regulations that created enormous uncertainty. How, you ask? The health care bill makes it impossible for a company to determine the future cost of an employee, which makes them hesitant to hire people at a proper wage or hire people at all; environmental regulations as a result of the Gulf Spill and the desire of Cap and Trade to pass makes companies uncertain of the cost of doing business and makes the oil companies (who provide enormous income for pension plans, 401ks, etc through dividends as most mutual funds own oil companies to some extent) stop expanding, exploring, and hiring in the US; financial reform regulation (which should have been done FIRST in 2009 before a stimulus) has handicapped the banks from hiring, giving raises, or loaning money - why? They're unsure of capital requirements, they're unsure of the effect of derivatives legislation on their revenue, they're unsure of the effect of credit card legislation, and on and on and on. Not only that, but they aren't even looking at Fannie and Freddie, which holds something like 95% of the mortgages in the US, nor are they looking at GM or Chrysler (by the way, the government owns a controlling interest in GM and they just allowed GM to buy a SUB-PRIME LENDER in order to extend loans and leases to those with poor credit...now, doesn't that sound familiar? And this is a GOVERNMENT OWNED COMPANY). Figure in the terror of the retiring Baby Boomers with tax increases and the insolvency of social security, the mess this country is in is BECAUSE of a massive federal bureaucracy. Were you aware that the number of six figure salaries of government employees increased the most from 2008 thru 2009 for any period in history? Does that make sense to you?

There is currently 3 trillion dollars in uninvested capital sitting on corporate balance sheets. The government, that you think should be made stronger, is forcing corporations to sit on their laurels because they don't know how new laws will affect them. If the government would focus on real job creation as opposed to class warfare and bloated social plans (that will never be able to be paid for), then things will look up.

Paul, you don't know shit.

It is obvious that you are very young, very ignorant, very naive, very rich and very Republican. Out here on Main Street the American people are struggling to keep their heads above water during the corporate assault on our lives, and we're just asking for the government to put a stop to the crimes these corporations are perpetrating. They also realize that OUR President (yes, he is President of all of us) is doing the best he can against these corporate interests and wholeheartedly support him despite the racist attacks by FOX. (They really need to be legally prohibited from putting "news" in their name because they put on nothing resembling news.)

Of course OUR President focused on massive regulations because the cronies of your favorite President eliminated them and let the corporations destroy the economy on purpose. And of course he focused on spending because without massive spending the demand spiral would take down the rest of the economy even more. He didn't spend enough and now we're facing another recession. Without that spending the entire economy would have disappeared and even your precious oil companies would not be around to destroy our environment and your beloved banks wouldn't be around to steal people's paychecks. And the health reform will created millions of new jobs because employers and employees will no longer have to worry about the insurance companies stealing their money just for the right to murder them when they got sick.

We have the largest GDP in the world and are the great country we were before Bush seized power (and will be again soon thanks to OUR President) because policies like The New Deal and Great Society saved this country from the voodoo economics of Ronald Reagan and libertarian Herbert Hoover.

Stop watching FOX, reading the yellow journalist rag WALL STREET journal, and listening to hatemongers like Rush Limbaugh and get some actual facts. Anyone who cheerleaded the destruction and looting of our economy at the hands of the corporations is someone who is not dealing in facts.

lawls.

Speaking of "actual facts"...

What are these obvious facts? I want facts and not your own opinionated talking points. Present the facts.

To quote myself in this thread:

Prove it. Instead of copping out by saying "I just know you'll dismiss the facts so I don't bother" bullshite.

Post those facts and stop spewing media buzzwords like "Main Street".

We're on the internet, there are plenty of places to read these obvious facts. Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman writes in the NYT regularly and has documented all of this extensively as has Ezra Klein over at the Washington Post. The White House Blog at whitehouse.gov is also good at providing updated info on OUR President's successful policies. Talking Points Memo and Think Progress are also very good fact-driven objective websites that have no agenda other than getting to the truth. And although it leans to the right, MSNBC does a fair job of covering issues objectively most of the time and cutting through the B.S. of the teabaggers. Once you get out of the FOX/Glen Beck/Michael Savage/David Duke/WSJ corporatist xenophobic lockstep you'll find there are plenty of people still doing objective investigative journalism.

Alright, now we're talkin'. Anymore recommendations that should be added?

It'd probably be better if Paul had his own site or blog or something and we could just all go there. Or maybe he could have a radio show for us to listen to.

Oh wait, maybe he already has one:

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It is obvious that you are very young, very ignorant, very naive, very rich and very Republican.

Let's see...I'll be 28 in September, so I guess I'm kind of young. Certainly not ignorant or naive; most definitely not rich, and absolutely not a Republican (I'm a registered independent; fiscally conservative but socially liberal. I'd love to help everyone in the world, but I can't afford to...so I expect them to ATTEMPT to help themselves).

How about an unfounded snap judgement turned the other way? You're a 19 or 20 year old liberal arts major at some college that's moderately decent. You probably don't have many friends (outside WoW) because of your obvious inferiority complex, and you're maybe 5'6 or 5'7, probably over weight, most likely a virgin. You grew up in a lower middle class family and were jealous of the stuff the other kids had and feel entitled. Probably on scholarship because you worked hard in school and needed the financial aid to get to college. I say a liberal arts major because I heard the same bullshit from my professors and classmates when I was in school (my degree isn't in finance or business...). You've never been in any sort of management position in any sort of job...always a worker, never a leader. You have no real life experience outside of what you've seen on TV or Googled. How close was I?

Out here on Main Street the American people are struggling to keep their heads above water during the corporate assault on our lives, and we're just asking for the government to put a stop to the crimes these corporations are perpetrating. They also realize that OUR President (yes, he is President of all of us) is doing the best he can against these corporate interests and wholeheartedly support him despite the racist attacks by FOX. (They really need to be legally prohibited from putting "news" in their name because they put on nothing resembling news.)

Yeah, and Bush was YOUR president as well. Oh? You didn't treat him the same way? Weird, a liberal hypocrite. Here's a quote from President Bush: "I want to be everyone's president. Whether you voted for me or not, I'm your president." I bet you didn't feel that way from 2007 on (that's when you figured out what politics were and decided it was cool to hate conservatives). Also, Obama is not against corporate interests at all. He's in bed with George Soros, Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Jeff Immelt, to name a few. Now I'm racist because I don't agree with the LEGISLATION (read: congress AND the president...but mostly congress...you know, the people that write the laws...and sometimes know what's in them) ? You didn't even read what I said or respond to anything directly.

Of course OUR President focused on massive regulations because the cronies of your favorite President eliminated them and let the corporations destroy the economy on purpose.

You are really dense.

1. I never even mentioned Bush, nor did I vote for him. I voted libertarian in 2004 and for McCain in 2008 - because I wanted checks and balances with the super majority of the Democrats in congress. You can go fuck yourself on that one.

2. I never said regulations weren't needed. I said they should have been implemented IMMEDIATELY in 2009...not in the late summer of 2010.

3. Fact: regulations of the financial industry increased the MOST under Bush, more than under any other president. Fact: Glass-Steagall repeal was signed by Clinton, not Bush. Fact: Nancy Pelosi's vagina has teeth (shadowgrin told me). I'm not going to provide sources...you can find them yourself, Google them, oh master of finding stuff on the internet (where everything is true).

And of course he focused on spending because without massive spending the demand spiral would take down the rest of the economy even more.

Prove it. Oh, wait, you can't...there's two schools of economics and both are supported fully...but you know that since you're an expert on economics because you "have a degree" (in something). You know what would have helped more? A laser-like focus on jobs. You know why? Because private sector jobs drive our economy, NOT government spending. Census jobs, construction jobs, etc. are SHORT TERM and just allow people to reup unemployment. Instead, as I said, regulation risk has created a stagnant job market. Read what I said, I'm not going to repeat myself.

He didn't spend enough and now we're facing another recession.

Prove it. Oh, wait, you can't...there's two schools of economics and both are supported fully...but you know that since you're an expert on economics because you "have a degree" (in something). You know what would have helped more? A laser-like focus on jobs. You know why? Because private sector jobs drive our economy, NOT government spending. Census jobs, construction jobs, etc. are SHORT TERM and just allow people to reup unemployment. Instead, as I said, regulation risk has created a stagnant job market. Read what I said, I'm not going to repeat myself.

Without that spending the entire economy would have disappeared and even your precious oil companies would not be around to destroy our environment and your beloved banks wouldn't be around to steal people's paychecks.

The economy would have 'disappeared?' hahahahahahahahaha God, what school did you go to? I want to put it on a list of schools not to send my son.

And the health reform will created millions of new jobs because employers and employees will no longer have to worry about the insurance companies stealing their money just for the right to murder them when they got sick.

MILLIONS of jobs? Uh-huh, yeah, perhaps by 2012 when it starts to kick in. What about the past year and a half, what about those jobs when we need them the most? By the way, it's NOT health care reform...it's insurance reform. If you reform health care by fixing the cost issue, then insurance probably wouldn't even be needed.

We have the largest GDP in the world and are the great country we were before Bush seized power

Oh, silly me! I forgot about when Bush rolled up to the White House - twice - on a tank and declared himself dictator. Wait...that didn't happen because he was elected. Twice. By the people. Sure sounds like he seized power to me...again, what schools did you attend, because I think they might want to check the history books...

(and will be again soon thanks to OUR President) because policies like The New Deal and Great Society saved this country from the voodoo economics of Ronald Reagan and libertarian Herbert Hoover.

That's your opinion...although I'd say the New Deal and Great Society weren't the best things out there. I agree with you on Hoover, he fucked stuff up...had the right idea, just wrong implementation.

Ah, yes, and the Enron-style accounting employed by this administration is SOOOOOO much better. Have you actually run the numbers on the cost of all this shit they're pushing through? It's absurd.

Stop watching FOX, reading the yellow journalist rag WALL STREET journal, and listening to hatemongers like Rush Limbaugh and get some actual facts. Anyone who cheerleaded the destruction and looting of our economy at the hands of the corporations is someone who is not dealing in facts.

I watch Fox to get the information that is left out on other news stations...just like I watch ABC, NBC, and CBS...well, not really CBS. The Wall St Journal is a great newspaper. The NY Times? Please. I didn't cheer-lead the destruction of the economy because I get paid based on how well a client's portfolio is doing. I make less if the performance isn't very good...which means I'm not doing good things for the client. I'm a fiduciary. I'm bound by law to do what's best for the client. I provide advice and financial planning. With that disclosed, why in God's name would I want the economy to fail?

We're on the internet, there are plenty of places to read these obvious facts. Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman writes in the NYT regularly and has documented all of this extensively as has Ezra Klein over at the Washington Post.

Yeah, but what about those that don't believe in Keynsian economics? Do their opinions not matter? Or because they don't write for newspapers their opinions don't matter? Why don't you write up your own opinion as to why Keynsian economics is better than supply-side? Do you even fully understand supply side?

The White House Blog at whitehouse.gov is also good at providing updated info on OUR President's successful policies.

When Bush was in office, you called this "propaganda." Now, it's a good source of unbiased information that has nothing to do with trying to get reelected.

Talking Points Memo and Think Progress are also very good fact-driven objective websites that have no agenda other than getting to the truth.

ThinkProgress was voted “Best Liberal Blog” in the 2006 Weblog Awards and chosen as an Official Honoree in the 2009 Webby awards. It was also named best blog of 2008 by The Sidney Hillman Foundation, receiving an award for journalism excellence. In 2009, ThinkProgress was named a “Gold Award Winner” by the International Academy of Visual Arts.

Talking Points Memo (or TPM) is a web-based political journalism organization created and run by Josh Marshall. It debuted on November 12, 2000. It covers a wide range of topics from a "politically left perspective,"[2] including U.S. foreign policy, domestic politics (especially at the federal level) and domestic policy. By 2007, TPM received an average 400,000 page views every weekday.[3]

And although it leans to the right, MSNBC does a fair job of covering issues objectively most of the time and cutting through the B.S. of the teabaggers. Once you get out of the FOX/Glen Beck/Michael Savage/David Duke/WSJ corporatist xenophobic lockstep you'll find there are plenty of people still doing objective investigative journalism.

MSNBC leans to the right? Christ, what do you think leans to the left? As for objective journalists...yeah, they're around, but they work for the National Enquirer and the BBC (I'm not even joking).

P.S. Did everyone miss my long posts?

Sorry Shane 28 is old. Officially.