Coke or Pepsi

Benji have you been drinking lately? I mean alcohol.

Fuck off and stop making ridiculous threads.

I'd like an apology

You're not getting one. You've been here for five seconds.. well, that's not entirely true because your IP suggests you've also been banned like four times before, but I'm letting that go because you seem semi literate and we are lacking that at the moment. Don't blow it.

That's rather conceited to suggest that someone has a right to be blatantly rude and hurtful to another member simply because the aforementioned member has been on this forum longer. Regardless of one's duration, a certain code of manners and ethics is to be abided by. Furthermore, I dont need you to tell me "not to blow it," seeing as I don't live in hopes of pleasing you and your standard of proper forum attitudes.

Perhaps the reason you're lacking more intelligence within the NLSC is that certain members of the community choose to act abrasive and hostile, thus creating an online society that is neither open nor welcoming. Perhaps, just maybe, if people chose not to respond to new posters as laxation did, you'd retain the intelligent ones, and not become burdened by the mere idiots whose self-esteem and self-respect are already so low as to ignore such comments under the premise of "this is just how it is."


Needless to say, I renew my demand for an apology.

God, shut the hell up. And you're not a new poster dumbass you have been banned a handful of times, and now I see why.

lol Laxation pretty much just comes on here once in a while, spouts some rude and idiotic remark and leaves. Don't get all offended about it.

i have to pick coke. pepsi is too sweet and i feel like i drink oil everytime i drink pepsi

Benji have you been drinking lately? I mean alcohol.

You really didn't get what he was trying to say, right?

Yes it was very hard science statement.

This thread just dropped my IQ to vinceair level. Just to clear up some B.S. that appeared in this thread:

I'm quite sure vinceair is in fact referring to phosphoric acid, which does indeed have several adverse health effects, notably decay of teeth, and weakening of bones.

Yes, vinceair was referring to that.
Here

Phosphoric acid is used as an acidifying agent to give colas their tangy flavor.

Phosphoric acid is commonly used for rust removal. (I bet it's a higher concentration compared to the one used for drinks)

Phosphorus-containing substances occur naturally (0.1%-0.5%) in foods such as milk, meat, poultry, fish, nuts, and egg yolks.

According to the Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI), a consumer watchdog group not affiliated with the food industry, only a small fraction of the phosphate in the American diet comes from additives in soft drinks. Most comes from meat and dairy products. So your reason for not drinking Coke should be its sugar content and artificial food colorings, not the phosphoric acid.

As said before, it's all in moderation. Even citric acid if taken in very large doses can potentially be dangerous.

Aspartame is the keyword.

Google it.

Sure, here are the results
First result is Wiki

A 2007 safety evaluation found that the weight of existing scientific evidence indicates that aspartame is safe at current levels of consumption as a non-nutritive sweetener. Some sources of claims regarding postulated aspartame dangers and conspiracies have been the subject of critical examination. In 1987, the U.S. Government Accountability Office concluded that the food additive approval process had been followed for aspartame. Based on government research reviews and recommendations from advisory bodies such as the European Commission’s Scientific Committee on Food and the Joint FAO/WHO Expert Committee on Food Additives, aspartame has been found to be safe for human consumption by more than ninety countries worldwide

Ninety countries is a pretty big number to have a conspirarcy, if there is one.


As for the thread topic:

I used to like Coke but after working at a Pepsi plant (QA), Coke now tastes funny to me. I can't even drink it if it's not ice cold, I don't drink Pepsi now either. My reasoning for not drinking/buying Pepsi anymore is back when I was working at the plant, I used to throw Pepsi products down the drain (about 5 dozen a day and those are just the ones that come in big bottles) after testing them (taste, acidity, carbonation, etc.). I thought to myself "why would I buy this drink when I basically throw it away back then at the plant?"
I'm a cheapskate. So I guess it's water for me.

I also think that Pepsi is sweeter than Coke. What surprised me though is that Pepsi Max (their no sugar soda) is sweeter than the plain Pepsi. Almost everyone at the plant seems to like Mountain Dew as their favorite. It's the only product that doesn't go to waste when it's being tested because it would be immediately drank by anyone who passed by at the lab, from managers, maintenance crew, and even the janitors.

Of course aspartame is accepted as a non toxical crap. Aspartame goods will be shut down if that would be accepted as dangerous stuff. What does that mean? Loss of a BIG MONEY. It's business, business companies are dirty. They don't care about our health. They want money from your pockets. If you are a blue eyed boy who believes everything what paid scientists says(sponsored by those companies) tell then fine.

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Ninety countries is a pretty big number to have a conspirarcy, if there is one.

This thread just dropped my IQ to vinceair level.

If you are a blue eyed boy who believes everything what paid scientist(sponsored by those companies) tell then fine.

Then who should you believe?

They don't care about our health.

To an extent they do, you can't keep making money if you kill all your customers.

The Dale Gribble award goes to Vinceair.

I used to like Coke but after working at a Pepsi plant (QA).

How the hell did you land that gig? Is it as cool as it sounds?

No, it's not cool as it sounds except for the almost unlimited supply of products you can drink, really cold or fresh if it's juices.
It's really not allowed for anyone to get bottles off the production line, that is unless you're in QA. You can just say that you need it for testing, even if you already did a test.

Production starts at 5-6 am, so you have to get your ass in early.
Starting production is a pain in the ass because you have to make sure if the equipment is properly clean before starting. Then trying to get the right amount of concentrations needed. Once you get over that shite which could take hours, you do a test every 30 minutes and that's just the content of the bottle (carbonation, sugar concentration, etc.). Water test every 2 hours (treated properly?). Bottle test (caps too tight? too loose? not filled to right height? etc.) every hour. So there will be a point or interval where all of the things you have to do will pile up at the same time, which is shite load of work basically. And those are just the ones for the production line. You still have to test products in the stock room if it's up to standard even if stored in those conditions. Pressure tests for big bottles, where you wait for the bottle to pass standards or not if it explodes. The waiting might eventually eat up some of the time required for the production line tests, which piles up the work even more and you have to finish it before the next test in 30 minutes.
That's a third world plant for you.
You also need to be able to maneuver yourself in the long production lines just to get your test samples. It's a pain in the back and legs. You also have to make sure that your job is finished so the normal 8 hours will extend because of usual delays like equipment stoppages, production halt when the product exceeds or is lower than the standards. Overtime pay, yeah w/e.

That's not the thing that pisses me off though. The entire plant only has two CR for men and women, which is located near the bosses office, AND IT's LOCKED MOST OF THE TIME. I don't know if it's a sick idea of increasing efficiency (less time in the john, more time for work) but hell I need too pee (might be another idea to prevent people from drinking too much of the products though).

In summary, it's no less different from being a production line drone. You do the same thing everyday, everytime at work.

Hey, at least you can say you drink pepsi for a living.

Then who should you believe?

NO, you got your answer now, are you happy? Life is full of chemistry, coca cola is one of them.

I prefer green tea

So I should believe NO? Dr. No? National Office? Norway? New Order? Nitric Oxide? Network Operator? Nuovo Ordinamento? Nobelium?

This guy just can't make a post that makes any sense.

Both of you doesn't make any sense to me either.

You said I shouldn't believe scientists, so who should I believe for the facts on cola?

I said companies like COCA COLA ,bunch of coffee companies order articles what shows "benefits" of those two products.
Have you ever heard of independet research? Those researches usually reveal harmful effects of those "healty" products.

Ordered articles= bunch of money to scientists pockets.
Independent research articles= All true nothing but true.

Can you provide us with a couple of independent research articles? What makes them independent? You saying so? Or them claiming to be so?

Who are these independent researchers? How do I know they aren't beholden to certain interest groups through funding and grants? What if their funding stems from the regulatory body responsible for such an area? What if they are funded by or belong to an anti-[substance] group? What if anti-aspartame research is funded by pro-sucralose bodies?

What if they're generating a crisis that they personally benefit from "discovering" and promoting while refusing to release their data and models?

What if the cola and coffee companies actually fund all sorts of research because they genuinely want to know if there are any health effects so as to improve their products, reduce liability or potentially discover new compounds?

Who are these independent researchers?

Wiki:

Research institutes which are not part of a university, government, hospital or corporation. Independent research institutes may have close relationships with a larger institutions such as universities, are not part of the larger institution and operate under their own authority.

How do I know they aren't beholden to certain interest groups through funding and grants?

You don't. But usually they are looking to reveal those full of chemic components garbage products. Murder stories, ship wreck research etc etc.

What if their funding stems from the regulatory body responsible for such an area?

Stop being a conspiracy theory author. They want to know truth that's all.

What if they are funded by or belong to an anti-[substance] group?

Yes, what if, what if Lebron would play in Raptors? Would they win NBA championship? It's impossible me to know their funding connections, they are honest guys in my opinion. Why should they(crap product companies) bring those secrets to public?

What if anti-aspartame research is funded by pro-sucralose bodies?

Read

1. Sucralose is an artificial substance, some of which is absorbed by the body
2. Pre-approval tests indicated a potential for toxicity
3. Sucralose is a chlorinated compound (a chlorocarbon)

In other words sucralose it's crap. Companies doesn't want to test aspartame toxicity because people will not buy their products anymore! They dig grave for themselves? They order a research and then they will do public announcement like this?: " We are sorry,our products are not healty,we stop."
Makes "sense"

What if they're generating a crisis that they personally benefit from "discovering" and promoting while refusing to release their data and models?

This haven't happened so far, so you are deluding again.

What if the cola and coffee companies actually fund all sorts of research because they genuinely want to know if there are any health effects so as to improve their products, reduce liability or potentially discover new compounds?

Yes sugar is very healthy,lot's of sugar and other crap is very healthy! Please! What you can discover from coca cola? More sugar?

I think he was looking more of a name of these "independent researchers" than an actual definition....

You don't. But usually they are looking to reveal those full of chemic components garbage products.

And?

Murder stories, ship wreck research etc etc.

wat.

Stop being a conspiracy theory author. They want to know truth that's all.

How is that a conspiracy theory? Regulatory agencies constantly fund research to see if there's something else they need to regulate.

It's impossible me to know their funding connections, they are honest guys in my opinion.

So it's not fine for someone to be paid for a cola company to investigate aspartame, but if someone is paid by an anti-aspartame group to investigate aspartame that's fine? Because those latter guys must always be honest, they'd never give the result the group funding them would want!

You only consider them to be "honest guys" because they agree with you. (Not that you've named any of these "honest guys" yet.)

Why should they(crap product companies) bring those secrets to public?

How do you know they haven't? And the big "secret" is that in small doses there's no problem.

Read

Source? And that has nothing to do with my question.

In other words sucralose it's crap. Companies doesn't want to test aspartame toxicity because people will not buy their products anymore! They dig grave for themselves? They order a research and then they will do public announcement like this?: " We are sorry,our products are not healty,we stop." Makes "sense"

But you're assuming that's the only possible result of their research. You can't fathom that possibly they'd test it (like the aforementioned 90 countries) and find there's no problem in proper doses? Why would they support a result they didn't find?

This haven't happened so far, so you are deluding again.

It's called Climate Change/Global Warming.

Yes sugar is very healthy,lot's of sugar and other crap is very healthy! Please! What you can discover from coca cola? More sugar?

wat.