The Dark Knight (DVD/BR Release!)

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[spoiler]Anyway, the Batcave turned into a high-tech Matrix-like chamber. I thought only the Wayne Manor was burnt down in Begins.[/spoiler]

That's not the Batcave under Wayne Manor. What you saw is a temporary Batcave, probably in one of Wayne's numerous properties in Gotham or the penthouse they were staying in. There's a line in the movie where Alfred refers to the Manor not yet finished being built and having to transfer Batman's stuff back when it is done (I think).
If it is the Batcave, it was referred to in the end of Begins that they plan to improve the area of the Manor where the Batcave is located, so there you go.

I watched it a few days ago and although I thought is was really good for a superhero movie because there was actually a storyline which didn't suck, I was pretty disappointed leaving. You can say I don't know movie's but heath ledger was not that great and i still love nicholsons joker way better.

but meh I can't wait till the next batman
put in the riddler

Anyone but the Riddler, please. I hate him for some reason. I want Harley Quinn in the next movie, or Gentleman Ghost. Also, other superheroes from the DC Universe, including the Club of Heroes.

i wanted quinn in the next movie with her man, however if they go and recast i will lose my mind. i still want to see bain, bain kicks ass, he had an amazing start and has been turned in to a joke over the years, especially in batman 4?

heath ledger was not that great and i still love nicholsons joker way better.

I don't even know how that's remotely possible.

I got a chance to watch it on Imax today, and it was such a good, dark movie. Heath Ledger was just amazing. I really don't like Batman's voice, but the storyline was so well written. It was long, but long enough to really incorporate the characters and the theme well. Such a good movie. I would say that Ledger's Joker is probably the best superhero villain of all time.

Such a good movie. I would say that Ledger's Joker is probably the best superhero villain of all time.

[spoiler]I think what hasnt been sitting right with me about it is that heath's joker was supposedly "more absolute" than the old versions. he had no motive, he just wanted to see the world burn. 1. That in itself is a motive. Liking to watch shit fall apart and how fucked up the world is could be like receiving any type of goods. 2. How did Joker actually get that way? what drove him to a)know so much about how people think? b) learn so much about artillery (didnt joker used to pride himself on the fact he outsmarted the bat where batman used strength to beat him?). I would've liked some backstory. Not much (like 40 minutes in the original was too much) but a little bit would've been nice other than one side line. i know there can be different versions of things and this isnt to say i disliked the joker or the movie whatsoever. Thought it was fantastic. But I feel like Nicholson played THE JOKER, while Heath played a new villain that happened to be called joker.[/spoiler]

i wanted quinn in the next movie with her man, however if they go and recast i will lose my mind. i still want to see bain, bain kicks ass, he had an amazing start and has been turned in to a joke over the years, especially in batman 4?

Bane was always kind of lame, imo, as most characters introduced in the DC Universe after the Bronze Age. The way I see it, Gentleman Ghost is much more kickass than Bane. Plus, as I said before, it'd be great if they included other superheroes inthe third movie, and having Gentleman Ghost as the main villain would surely help, since he's been the enemy of pretty much everyone including Superman, Green Lantern and, of course, Batman.

Agree on the recast matter. I haven't seen the movie yet (came out Wednesday here, planning to wait 'til the DVD comes out since dubbing sucks) but from the little I've seen, I can't imagine anyone doing a better job than Heath as the Joker. Not to mention that, even if the Joker's the most well-known and important enemy of Batman, and even if The Dark Knight is an excellent film, it'd be repetitive to have the same villain in the third movie.

Gentleman Ghost isn't realistic. The other superheroes will not show up as they are not realistic.

Nolan errered in wasting Ra's and the Scarecrow in the first movie instead of merely having Batman take on the criminal organizations. Then taking the theme from The Lost Halloween used in this film of the "freaks" taking over Gotham from the mob would've worked a lot better.

The setup for the third movie almost demands using Hugo Strange anyway. (Since they wasted the Scarecrow and hate the Riddler.)

but from the little I've seen, I can't imagine anyone doing a better job than Heath as the Joker.

The Joker from the trailers is far superior to the one in the actual film. I'm sure there are tens of actors who could do easily better jobs than he did.

I'm sure there are tens of actors who could do easily better jobs than he did.

Really? Serious? Name 3. I really doubted Ledger when he was first cast for that role, but I thought he was phenomenal to the T.

DrGonzo:
[spoiler]Ledger's Joker doesn't even know who he is. His story changed as to his mouth being sliced. There are no fingerprints, no dental records. He had to create an identity.[/spoiler]

Gentleman Ghost isn't realistic. The other superheroes will not show up as they are not realistic.

I agree they're not realistic, that's why they're called superheroes and/or supervillains. You're excluding a lot of villains if you only consider those who do not have any kind of superpower.

I wouldn't mind Hugo Strange as the main villain in the next movie. He's a perfect fit if Nolan decides to go (once again) with a superpower-less enemy.

What about the Club of Heroes, though? I think it's a reasonable idea, even though probably not the best as they're not well-known characters, but I'd love to see the Batmen of all Nations in the next movie.

Nolan wants the films to be realistic. As in things that could happen in our world.

Really? Serious?

Why wouldn't I be? Of course, I consider actors to be mostly interchangable parts because they are. I can't fathom that throwing a different one into the same material would result in any meaningful change to the movie. What exactly did Ledger bring to the table that nobody else could do, let alone better? There was nothing at all to make one say "wow, Heath Ledger is saving this movie!" The Joker stood out because he was the only halfway well-written character in the movie, not because of anything Ledger did. One could argue that Eckhart acted circles around him (as if this was actually some kind of quantifiable or meaningful skill and not just a matter of liking one person over another), but was given a shit story so nobody cares.

I also disagree. The Joker knows exactly who he is. Lying (either directly or by omission) doesn't mean you're ignorant of self. Even if you follow George's teachings.

What exactly did Ledger bring to the table that nobody else could do, let alone better? The Joker stood out because he was the only halfway well-written character in the movie

Well-written in terms of his script, or the description of the character? When he acts, I look into his eyes, his facial expressions, his mannerisms, his voice, and I see a psychotic mastermind. He's very much believable even as a non-realistic character. Ledger transformed himself to his character really effectively. Granted, Eckhart was memorable too. On the other side of the coin (ha ha), I actually found Bale to be a bit dull in this one.

The Joker knows exactly who he is. Lying (either directly or by omission) doesn't mean you're ignorant of self.

That's a possibility.

I loved it, and I have to say I am not a huge fan of this genre. The last Batman movies I saw were Batman Forever and Batman & Robin. The Dark Knight completely blew those two out of the water and had me on the edge of my seat the entire time. I particularly liked the parity between Batman & Joker. It was clearly a battle of equals in terms of strength and reasoning unlike other movies where the hero is a impregnable force.

Ledger is definitely up for an Oscar with his performance.

The last Batman movies I saw were Batman Forever and Batman & Robin. The Dark Knight completely blew those two out of the water

This is like saying that getting free cake is better than being shot in the face and thrown into a river.

Saw this last Friday and was very impressed by the movie.

Pros of the movie was the acting of Ledger (who is on his way to a posthumous Oscar IMO... a nomination at least!) and the dude who play Harvery Dent/Two-Face; who I felt sort of nearly stole the show!

Cons of the movie was the chick who replaced Katie Holmes and I found Bale's acting to be very bland for whatever reason. Also, I felt there were a bit too many 'twists' and the movie was perhaps a tad long.

Overall, it was a great film. I will go as far as to say it was the best I've seen this year.

benji, would you be kind enough to post your favorite movies?

^I remember him stating American Psycho was one of his favorites.

there is no need to bring in other superheroes of villians into the batman movies, that will all happen in the JLA movies, gentleman ghost could fit into that movie/s

The JLA movie is a distant reality. Assuming it gets made, it won't be for another four to five years. IMDb says 2011, but I doubt it'll be that soon since the movie's been in the pre-production stage for over two years and they didn't even finish writing the script yet. Also, the current director of the movie and the current (rumored) cast suck ass; I think we can all agree that Adam Brody as The Flash and anybody who isn't Christian Bale as Batman is a really bad idea.

As I said, the Justice League movie's a distant reality. I'll hold on to it as soon as they show me real proof it's going to be made and good.

Anyway, I don't see how Gentleman Ghost doesn't fit into the Batman movies. He is a villain of Batman, not to mention he's kickass, in my opinion the best non-regular (and non-exclusive) villain Batman has ever had. And, as far as Benji's argument goes, I don't see how we can actually know if Nolan wants or doesn't want "realistic". The first two movies were "realistic", I know, but how can we know he doesn't want to go a different way with the third one?

On a side note, I still think the Batmen of all Nations is a good idea, although as a secondary storyline. Better than bringing in Robin (as some rumors suggest), IMO. Dick Grayson sucks dick.

They've also said there will never be a Robin in these films.

I don't see how we can actually know if Nolan wants or doesn't want "realistic". The first two movies were "realistic", I know, but how can we know he doesn't want to go a different way with the third one?

Well, we can't as people can always lie and change their minds. But you know based on the trend of him and Goyer both saying they want a more realistic and serious Batman, then producing that exact thing, I'd imagine if Nolan does return for a third film and Goyer writes another, having set it up with...not a cliffhanger, I can't remember the word right now...this will continue.

Of course, it is entirely possible the next one will have flying cars and men in spandex, as well as ghosts. But the next one might also turn out to be a snuff film made in Nolan's basement. HOW CAN WE KNOW THEY WON'T GO IN THAT DIRECTION???

not to mention he's kickass, in my opinion the best non-regular (and non-exclusive) villain Batman has ever had.

I don't think I'd ever go that far. And when's the last time he showed up in the Batman comic, and has it been in our lifetime? The run-up to Infinite Crisis brought him back and has pretty much put him squarely in opposition to JSA.

He is a villain of Batman

Well, so is someone named "Zebra-Man" and nobody is interested in...oh...nevermind.

Also, I felt there were a bit too many 'twists' and the movie was perhaps a tad long.

Too many twists? Did you forget to take your medication Sit? Predictability is not a twist. Sudden scene changes are not twists. There's only one part of the plot which I consider as a twist, it's not that many.
Maybe you consider it a "tad long" because you were bored with some scenes?
I rate the action sequences in Begins better compared to TDK. Granted that the fight scenes in TDK are finished quickly because Batman is more efficient now after a year of duty, notice that he always goes for the joints (neck, elbow) to finish the fight quickly (his fighting style is also different from Begins imo, Bale must've gotten a new fight instructor), and facing a gang of ninjas is not really the same as facing a gang of thugs but they could have at least added bit of variety to the action scenes or unpredictability since he's facing against the Joker. The only advantage I could think TDK has over Begins in action scenes are more and bigger explosions.
Though the final action scene is decent, I can't help feeling that I'm watching Daredevil 2.



Gentleman Ghost? I label Joe as ghey for bringing up a ghey idea.

How exactly is it gay?

Anyway, if you're not fond of him, what about Black Mask? He has realistic abilities and is a well-known villain. Also, he was originally going to appear in Begins as one of the main antagonists. I refuse to believe every single Batman movie has the same villains (apart from Begins).

Kindly explain why Gentleman Ghost is "kickass" first.

Black Mask isn't a bad idea.

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If I were to make a series of Batman films, the late Black Mask would be a primary villain. Based off the final version of the character (his post-New Mans Land reinvention in Catwoman and explosion into awesomeness in War Games arc), who was simple wonderful.

Of course, I wouldn't eschew The Penguin and Riddler either. Their modern versions are great as well and with minor tweaks could easily be in "dark" and "realistic" Batman.

They'd never put him in a Batman movie but since this is about me I would definitely use Zsasz.