What's going on?

I think age plays a role here too.

I agree with that. I can understand people growing out of the forums, or losing interest and moving on to something else. Personally, I think the forums just hit a recession, and many factors would contribute to that. I wouldn't worry, I'd just let history take its course as there's so much that one can do.

The second one was the true of false thread, and Cyanide said: True or false this thread will be locked.

The thread clearly became a spam thread, and I've seen many threads like those end up getting locked. Nice try, asshole.

What I'm curious about is how many of the current mods are/want to be actual moderators, and how many want to be posters with a moderator badge?

I visit the forums practically daily, but visit specific forums (The GT forums, and NBA Talk) and if there needs to be moving, locks, or banning by chance, I deal with it. Moderator duties don't happen as often since I don't visit the Live sections or other forums. My role might not be enough to warrant moderator duties, and I'm willing to step down if somebody's more interested and willing to make a commitment. If somebody doesn't think I do enough or should step down, then like I said, I'll be fine with it.

But just in case you ask, I will list them as to limit my spamming. Emiliano: "I actually enjoy having you around", Sam.: "I really had mad respected for you", zmac: "Are you leaving, or getting banned? Becoz either way its bullshit! We are name BROTHERS! You gotta stay bro, come on!", the list goes on...

Oh, and I remembered to finish the size tag on this one.

Yeah, all of those highly respect members of the community.

If idiots want more tolerance why don't they stop being idiots. If someone's meant to be a good poster they will be... I was looking through some old threads last night, dramacydal typed like a dyslexic 12 year old girl when he first joined and now he's one of the better posters.

The second one was the true of false thread, and Cyanide said: True or false this thread will be locked.

The thread clearly became a spam thread, and I've seen many threads like those end up getting locked. Nice try, asshole.

Oh wow, mature.

JT, sorry, lost many respect points from me.

Hmm...I guess my plan backfired. I only have a vague idea on what I lost it for, but no use asking.

So basically what you guys mean is that all the "not-so highly respect members" all fall right over for guys like Cmac and Dweaver and Filip, ect. as soon as they get banned. Uh...I can't excatly figure out why they would do that, but all right, if that's true, I stand corrected then.

I guess I still haven't learned that nothing good ever comes out of aruging with Jackal.

I guess I still haven't learned that nothing good ever comes out of aruging with Jackal.

With statements like these, you remind me more & more of Lanky Man. Another very respected member.

this place is where is you act stupid, you will be treated as a retard right away? Fair enough. But I'm not saying that we should all be so patient that we should be like "oh, that's all right, keep trying" to people who made several hundreds of stupid posts, just not jump on them right away.

Of course there are some who manage to slip under the radar and still continue to post.

Hmm...I guess my plan backfired

I guess I still haven't learned that nothing good ever comes out of aruging with Jackal.

Just drop the hidden plans/agendas JT_55, and post 'naturally'. It's enjoyable that way.
Oh, if one of your plans is amassing an e-army in the NLSC, I'll never forgive your sorry ass.

Honestly I started losing interest in this site but lately that interest has been coming back. You wanna see some lively forums bring back Coolmac and Dweaver, as much as we hated them those were the best days of the forums from when i was here, and well I'm going to start posting more often.

You wanna see some lively forums bring back Coolmac and Dweaver, as much as we hated them those were the best days of the forums

...

No seriously ...

Jae c'mon I mean, you have to admit you enjoyed cracking on those fools 24/7. And bring back your weekly thread those rocked so much!

No seriously ...

Jae c'mon I mean, you have to admit you enjoyed cracking on those fools 24/7. And bring back your weekly thread those rocked so much!

So this forum only needs a few morons that we can use as scapegoats and bash constantly? I'd agree with Jae, I'm not sure that'd be doing a favor to anyone here.
It's pretty hard to start intereting threads that don't provoke flaming wars these days, but as long a they don't necessarily relate to the very same topics each and every time, I still think that they are the ones that keep this place alive, and rich of with different opinions and points of view.
As long as it's not just a fucking quote from ESPN without any extra comments or personal input of course, that's just plain annoying.

Just drop the hidden plans/agendas JT_55, and post 'naturally'. It's enjoyable that way.
Oh, if one of your plans is amassing an e-army in the NLSC, I'll never forgive your sorry ass.

Man, I was just joking. I don't have any hidden plans. Contrary to what you guys might think, I actually have a life outside the internet.

as much as we hated them those were the best days of the forums from when i was here, and well I'm going to start posting more often.

Just goes to show that when people come in during a stupid time, they think that's the best it'll ever get. I really am contemplating death.

Dweaver and Coolmac are WANTED? Where did we go wrong Jae? Where did we go wrong?

Interesting thing, perception is. Some people think that this place was great because of Coolmac, etc., as opposed to in spite of.

Seriously, when I first joined these forums, these guys were spammers but they were huge contributors in one way or another to this site. I'm not saying they will bring the forums back to normal, but I am saying that the forums were great when they were here, and another poster we can really use back is Jona. He is someone I think this entire forum can agree with me that we need him back. Just my opinion though.

Seriously, when I first joined these forums, these guys were spammers but they were huge contributors in one way or another to this site.

Doobie, you don't even know what you're saying.

They were spammers but huge contributors? Uhm, yeah, ofcourse, that makes total sense now.

Besides, Coolmac was banned for breaking rules, not spamming.

Doobie must be currently posting while high.

Man, I was just joking. I don't have any hidden plans. Contrary to what you guys might think, I actually have a life outside the internet.

I know. Lighten up fella', you're not on trial here.

bleh.... I give up, maybe you guys are right.. So whats everyone up to?

So 2 and a half weeks after this thread was created, and there seems to be no development in the Jae for admin decision .

Some things never change.

So 2 and a half weeks after this thread was created, and there seems to be no development in the Jae for admin decision .

Some things never change.

Like your constant criticism and negativity...?

Everything else seems to have improved dramatically, so is there a need to nitpick at a suggestion you made not being implemented? Perhaps all of us aren't i agreement for Jae to be made admin. Perhaps Andrew and Jae have discussed it and are working it out.

Would be nice for once to see a response by you saying 'good work' or 'I'm glad to see an improvement', rather than the constant complaints and disapproval. I used to have a tonne of respect for you Matthew, but of late that has been diminishing. I'm sure you will respond to this scathingly, but I think it is necessary for you to receive a similar critique as you dish out. If you can't take it as constructive criticism (as we are always meant too), then there will be little respect left.

I don't see an improvement though. Do you want me to say "yes, fantastic work!" when nothing has been done to improve anything?

Just look at what I've said: It's been 2 and a half weeks since this thread started. All we've had is dodging and excuses.

The greatest stunt the devil pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

I don't want to see this place fall victim to complacency, because in reality it has taken years and years for things to implemented.

For example, I had to fight tooth and nail to get a flimsy ban control for andreas and jae about a year and ahalf ago.

The same thing is happening here. I'm not just having a bitch because i'm bored. I'm pointing out the consistant and very worrying decline of participation of NLSC.

If there's only one person at the top (by design) then they should be responsible, no?

I'm not going to respond to how you think about me. I couldn't care less. I'd much rather see what ideas you have to improve posting quality and quantity here.

Normally I'd ignore it but I have to comment on this...

Perhaps all of us aren't i agreement for Jae to be made admin.

With all due respect, the decision is Andrew's and Andrew's alone. The idea of some team members (none of which have been team members for more than 10 months) having a say in who is made admin on this forum is quite ridiculous. Anyway, I just thought that was an odd thing of you to say, especially as I've had no one tell me they would have a problem with the arrangement. Nor has Andrew as far as I'm aware.

I don't see an improvement though. Do you want me to say "yes, fantastic work!" when nothing has been done to improve anything?

That's exactly what I said. Clearly you grasped what I replied.

I don't want to see this place fall victim to complacency, because in reality it has taken years and years for things to implemented.

You think we are being complacent. Fine that is your opinion. I don't

The same thing is happening here. I'm not just having a bitch because i'm bored. I'm pointing out the consistant and very worrying decline of participation of NLSC.

I don't see a decline, merely an ebb and flow. In my view view things have seemed to improve greatly in the last fortnight. Now the new Live is out, it should continue on the upward swing.

If there's only one person at the top (by design) then they should be responsible, no?

No, the whole hierarchy should be responsible to certain degrees respectively. Yet there are certain things that are outside of our control.

I'm not going to respond to how you think about me. I couldn't care less.

Good to know. Makes this statement irrelevant then, and in my eyes incredibly contradictory to your lack of caring.

I'd much rather see what ideas you have to improve posting quality and quantity here.

I'm doing what I can in the limited amount of time I have at the moment. I've set up the Fantasy basketball for the upcoming season, responded to all the new threads I had anything relevant to say, joined Jae's FM game, and increased my attention and application to day to day moderating tasks. Once I get the time I will do more, but at present I'm completing the last year of one of my universities degrees, doing another degree at second year level, working and trying to research for a potential Masters degree position next year so I can get a scholarship, so I will consequently have more time.

I intend to keep the Bucks thread going, actively on 2k8 when I get my hand on the game, FM08 as well, post as association and post anything relevant that comes to mind anywhere else. I've never been one to go out of my way to start new threads, and I don't intend to. I will contribute the best I can, as I always have. Being the catalyst of discussion is not my forte' and I don't necessarily buy the requirement that we have to initiate it. People will come and post here if they like, but that desire to post will rise and fall respective on various factors. I'm sure you will blatantly disagree to this, but that's always been my opinion.

Normally I'd ignore it but I have to comment on this...

Perhaps all of us aren't i agreement for Jae to be made admin.

With all due respect, the decision is Andrew's and Andrew's alone. The idea of some team members (none of which have been team members for more than 10 months) having a say in who is made admin on this forum is quite ridiculous. Anyway, I just thought that was an odd thing of you to say, especially as I've had no one tell me they would have a problem with the arrangement. Nor has Andrew as far as I'm aware.

Wasn't meant to be an attack of any sort. I was merely suggesting that there may be a reason why Andrew has not made a decision. As far as I am aware there is not even a hint of resentment towards you in any form, and I would wholeheartedly support such an arrangement. But I imagine if there was, and this is entirely hypothetical, and it was unanimous for example, Andrew would more likely than not take that into consideration even if the decision is solely his. And while Andrew has the full capacity in regards to this decision, from what I have experienced he would consult the moderators etc. for their view on the matter. But regardless, that statement was not based on any sort of fact and was merely a throw away line suggesting that there is more to the decision than a 'yes' or 'no'.

Do you lack the ability to hold a discussion without multiple quotes?

I still can't believe you actually want me to encourage bad work (or no work) being done here.

Actually I think goes to the heart of the problem with the current moderating team: you guys are doing it for the title and the kudos of being a mod, and not to actually improve this place. "o0o look at me, congratulate me even though its not deserved".

Weak.

And what has been achieved since this thread started? How can you say that is not complacency? How can you say 10+ months to rewrite the rules not complacency?

You can't.

And things may have improved a little the last fortnight, but you don't think they may have had something to do with Jae being reinstated as a mod?

If you think there actually is a hierarchal system here you are sadly mistaken. It's Andrew, and then everyone else. It's fucked.

And me saying I don't care is not a sign of caring. It's just an acknowledgment of your feelings towards me. I don't care about any of that. I care about improving this place and the community.

Maybe you should try to adopt a similar stance.

You write a post like that instead of brainstorming possible ideas to help improve NLSC.

Nice.

Maybe you could take 10 months to rewrite some rules too.

First of all this is probably the third or fourth time I have used multiple quotes. So I don't know where this assumption is from.

Secondly, I don't you to encourage bad work, or lack of any. My point was all you do is come in and constantly critique. There's never anything positive. Perhaps you could point out one or two good things once in a while. This way your opinion won't be cast away as a negative backlash, but rather a relevant guide on how to better the place, which believe it or not is what I want as well.

I not waiting for any praise for my contribution. In fact I would be more than happy to step down from this role if it was in the best interest in the community. The mod title for me meant I could contribute in more ways, but I don't log onto the community for kudos or encouragement. I couldn't care less. I just want to help this place tick.

In regards to the complacency, I still disagree. Perhaps that is because I am not expecting so much of Andrew. I can understand where you are coming from though, but my opinion still differs.

I do think Jae's return has helped. It has often meant there is often more that one moderator on here at a time. Also, Jae's qualities as a mod are further beneficial by the proactive nature of his posting. He is always creating new topics of interest and making existing threads of greater interest. But in saying that, I don't think Jae's return is the sole reason for the turn-around.

The suggestion of Andrew being an over-arching despot of the NLSC is a bit hyperbole. I consider there to be some form of hierarchy, whether it is formal or not. Maybe I am greatly mistaken, but until I directly experience the autocratic nature of his rule I will grant him the benefit of doubt.

I already stated what I do and intend to do around the community. Isn't those acts stated better than me forcing out new threads of little relevance or value?

Lastly, and don't take this as a attack or anything of that nature, but why did you stop being a mod here? There's obvious interest in the community and the growth/improvement, regardless of any difference of how to achieve that this feeling is mutual, so why no longer undertaking this role you once held? PM me if you wish to keep this private. Besides our differing opinions I do believe we want the same end outcome.

It's not an assumption. Your post prior to your last one in this thread had around 7 quotes.

But that's getting way off topic. There is plenty positive that I say, but not always to people directly. But lets be honest, there hasn't been a whole lot to be positive about NLSC since the new group of moderators has been ushered in.

We even have a moderator openly displaying material in his signature that would be deleted and the poster be banned.

Now that's leadership Cyanide.

I don't expect the world of Andrew either. However, when he not only demands it, but stubbornly ensures, that he is the only one with significant power here then he must realise great responsibility comes with it.

Can anyone give me 1 good reason why Jae should not be admin? I've produced post after post as to why he should be.

And ditto for for why Benji shouldnt be at least a mod here.

And to add to the complacency argument, since Jae and I left, what has been implemented? There has been a detrimental split of one forum and thats it.

In 6 months that is simply not good enough.

To think Jae's return is not the reason for this "turnaround" is bullshit.

TyLand, you try to implement an idea here that Andrew doesn't like and you'll see exactly what I mean.

As for me leaving, well it was a while ago. I didn't like having the responsibility of having to bite my tongue alot of the time. Posters here are allowed to do more then mods, or they were, when I was a mod. Mod's were hung out to dry if they dare offended any of the posters. Also I got sick of the way things are set up here. Thats why Im pushing so hard for Jae to be Admin. Jae would do a superb job.

It's just a fucked way to have the current setup.

All decisions go through Andrew.

All ideas must be approved by Andrew.

But then if Andrew is on hiatus, the community suffers.

If theres a problem that Andrew can't fix, the community suffers.

Can you imagine if a leading company was run this way? There's no wonder people stopped posting here. Why would they care, it's just an internet forum.

Look at the struggle I've had to go through here. I had to really fight for Jae to even be appointed a mod. Ditto for ban control.

You can defend Andrew all you want but when it takes 10 months (:!:) to write up some new rules while the rest of forums are running around with their heads cut off (threads locked and deleted all over the place) and then he basically refuses to acknowledge there is a problem or come up with any kind of ideas to help encourage posting, then something needs to change.

You look at everything thats been new here. Hall of fame, my idea and my work. Hardwood classics, Jae's ideas and jaes work.

We came up with those ideas in less then 6 months.

Andrew in 6 months does what, split a forum?

That's just not good enough.

I guess this thread was the straw that broke the camels back. 2 and a half weeks and NOTHING has come out of this except for excuses.

I guess when nba talk is down to 5 posts a day you guys can come up with all the excuses in the world. And andrews workload will be much less.

But at least he'll still have his power.

Kudos to him.