UK terror plot foiled

[Dro]

Funny how you refuse to respond to anything Ben says...

He makes great points, but I feel as if I've said all I need to say about my stance on the Middle East crisis.

[Username123]

Okay. Almost all the stuff I wrote was out of anger, so I guess I really did not mean it. Even IF i did, no one can call the person ignorant for what he believes. I don't believe that blowing up yourself is great, but people do what they have to do. People find ways to fight back and the most favourite being suicide bombing. Islam just says you fight back if your families are being attacked, people use this excuse to do whatever they feel like in the name of Islam.

[Dro]

Okay. Almost all the stuff I wrote was out of anger, so I guess I really did not mean it. Even IF i did, no one can call the person ignorant for what he believes. I don't believe that blowing up yourself is great, but people do what they have to do. People find ways to fight back and the most favourite being suicide bombing. Islam just says you fight back if your families are being attacked, people use this excuse to do whatever they feel like in the name of Islam.

That's what irks me. I do not condone suicide bombing, and neither does Islam. It's a disgusting thing to do. However, Hezbollah fires rockets into Israel (which, by the way, is their best weapon. It's not like they have laser target missiles), and they get blamed for targetting civilians. However, Israel "at least makes an attempt to target military positions." SO? Does that justify 1,000 civilian deaths, with many more wounded? And the phrase "War is war" shouldn't justify either.

[Stevesanity]

This is some freaky shit but what do you expect when theirs plenty of TV shows going around that give ideas on how to do something and get away with it. Making bombs is pretty easy if you know your chemistry and you've been watching TV (Discovery Channel etc) I'm not surprised by this at all.

Theirs bound to be another terrorist attack sooner or later, can we ever stop terrorism? NO...that's like finding the cure for the common cold, you bring out a new medicine but theirs no one way of curing it for everyone. Anyway the worlds probably gonna end one way or the other, its either gonna be by nuclear warfare or by global warming you can take your pick but one of those options is pretty much the future.

Chill out, grab a beer and listen to your iPod and live your life to the fullest without hiding and hating.

[Dro]

Chill out, grab a beer and listen to your iPod and live your life to the fullest without hiding and hating.

If only it were that simple man...

[Stevesanity]

Chill out, grab a beer and listen to your iPod and live your life to the fullest without hiding and hating.

If only it were that simple man...

Well have you been a victim of terrorism, has a terrorist threatened you, have you been racially victimized such that you want to blow up some white people? If these things don't apply to you then don't fret.

If shit happens it happens, you shouldn't start fearing people and hating them cause of shit on the news. Before 9/11 a man that resembled Bin Laden would be seen as another person, but now people are like 'oh fuck it's a terrorist.' and depending on the type of person they are they choose to either get the fuck away or beat the fucking life outta him. Black people went through it not so long ago (shit it still happens today) where they would be feared or hated cause of the color of their skin now that same shit is happening again. Yeah sure black people didn't blow themselves up and wanna cause mass killing but what about the white people who committed those bombings and mass killings, wasnt that terrorism it was putting fear and hatred in black people when they hadn't done shit to white people and it was regarded as ethnic cleansing at that time.

Just live your life, sure I get pissed off at some shit I see on the news but I don't go on thinking about it on and on and talk about it forever (this forum has something about terrorism every week and people say the same shit over and over again). Some kids are so into politics these days and finding out what the terrorists are doing when 3/4's of them will never even encounter any sorta terrorism but are more likely to be beaten up by the local bully, fall prey to drug/alcohol addiction or commit suicide. Do kids watch and want to know about how the government is taking steps to stop bullying in high school, prevent drug trafficing or have better youth counselling systems? Fuck no most of them are worried about if their local muslim is a terrorist or not.

[Riot]

That's what irks me. I do not condone suicide bombing, and neither does Islam. It's a disgusting thing to do. However, Hezbollah fires rockets into Israel (which, by the way, is their best weapon. It's not like they have laser target missiles), and they get blamed for targetting civilians. However, Israel "at least makes an attempt to target military positions." SO? Does that justify 1,000 civilian deaths, with many more wounded? And the phrase "War is war" shouldn't justify either.

The point is you put 100% of the blame on Israel for the loss of innocent life in Lebannon. You fail to mention Hezbollah's "human shield" tactics in which they purposely put innocent lives in danger to protect themselves and to gain political ground. They know people across the globe hate to see innocent people killed so they can create more innocent loss of life on their side they will gain immensely in terms of popularity, especially in Lebannon.

Don't you understand that they are the reason why there are so many innocent lives killed? How is Israel suppose to know that Hezbollah is "housing and aiding" families inside their buildings? Then they have their people walk in and out of the buildings constantly to try to get Israel to attack it thinking that it is an important Hezbollah facility. Hezbollah is using the loss of life, that they are responsible for, to use it for their own gain. You are be suckered by the terrorists right now, Dro. This is excatly what they want people to say and to think. They want people to turn on Israel and make them the bad guys. These guys maybe terrorists by they certainly aren't stupid. They know what they want and how to get it.

[Riot]

Well have you been a victim of terrorism, has a terrorist threatened you, have you been racially victimized such that you want to blow up some white people? If these things don't apply to you then don't fret.

If shit happens it happens, you shouldn't start fearing people and hating them cause of shit on the news. Before 9/11 a man that resembled Bin Laden would be seen as another person, but now people are like 'oh fuck it's a terrorist.' and depending on the type of person they are they choose to either get the fuck away or beat the fucking life outta him. Black people went through it not so long ago (shit it still happens today) where they would be feared or hated cause of the color of their skin now that same shit is happening again. Yeah sure black people didn't blow themselves up and wanna cause mass killing but what about the white people who committed those bombings and mass killings, wasnt that terrorism it was putting fear and hatred in black people when they hadn't done shit to white people and it was regarded as ethnic cleansing at that time.

Just live your life, sure I get pissed off at some shit I see on the news but I don't go on thinking about it on and on and talk about it forever (this forum has something about terrorism every week and people say the same shit over and over again). Some kids are so into politics these days and finding out what the terrorists are doing when 3/4's of them will never even encounter any sorta terrorism but are more likely to be beaten up by the local bully, fall prey to drug/alcohol addiction or commit suicide. Do kids watch and want to know about how the government is taking steps to stop bullying in high school, prevent drug trafficing or have better youth counselling systems? Fuck no most of them are worried about if their local muslim is a terrorist or not.

Are you telling me we should just forget about 9/11 and all the other innocent people killed by terrorist acts over the past two decades? Terrorism is a real and legit threat and you just want to dismiss it? Sure, there has only been one executed attack on United States soil but that doesn't mean there won't be more or that you shouldn't worry or think about it. There are dozens of terrorists attacks everyday. That's like saying back in the 40's we shouldn't have worried about Hitler and the mass killings he was doing.

How can you be so blind?

[Username123]

Riot you talk as if you see no wrong in Israels actions. Israel has the latest technology and it has the power to take down what it sees. Hezbollah on the other hand, is not as advanced. Hezbollah cant go have an actual war, because their weaponry is limited. The so called "human shield" tactic is complete bullshit, Hesbolah is there to protect not to kill the people. If Hezbollah had tanks, fighter jets and helicopters there wouldn't be any lives lost, because both parties would be having an actual war.

There is a high chance we would be seeing another terrorist attack. I am quite concerned about this, because Canada could be a target. The only way to prevent any further innocent lives lost, America and other countries should withdraw their troops from Muslim countries.

[Dro]

That's what irks me. I do not condone suicide bombing, and neither does Islam. It's a disgusting thing to do. However, Hezbollah fires rockets into Israel (which, by the way, is their best weapon. It's not like they have laser target missiles), and they get blamed for targetting civilians. However, Israel "at least makes an attempt to target military positions." SO? Does that justify 1,000 civilian deaths, with many more wounded? And the phrase "War is war" shouldn't justify either.

The point is you put 100% of the blame on Israel for the loss of innocent life in Lebannon. You fail to mention Hezbollah's "human shield" tactics in which they purposely put innocent lives in danger to protect themselves and to gain political ground. They know people across the globe hate to see innocent people killed so they can create more innocent loss of life on their side they will gain immensely in terms of popularity, especially in Lebannon.

Don't you understand that they are the reason why there are so many innocent lives killed? How is Israel suppose to know that Hezbollah is "housing and aiding" families inside their buildings? Then they have their people walk in and out of the buildings constantly to try to get Israel to attack it thinking that it is an important Hezbollah facility. Hezbollah is using the loss of life, that they are responsible for, to use it for their own gain. You are be suckered by the terrorists right now, Dro. This is excatly what they want people to say and to think. They want people to turn on Israel and make them the bad guys. These guys maybe terrorists by they certainly aren't stupid. They know what they want and how to get it.

You can put any spin you want on it. Civilian death is civilian death. The bottom line is that people think Israeli blood is more valuable than Lebanese blood. Israel believes that, the media believes that, and therefore most Americans believe that. That's nothing new though. Israel was created on the belief that they are superior than other people, especially Arabs. Hezbollah isn't changing my way of thinking, dude. I've had strong feelings regarding Israel for a lot longer than 32 days.

[Matthew]

Dro, do I have to go and quote the dictionary definition of terrorism again to show you the difference?

[Riot]

The so called "human shield" tactic is complete bullshit, Hesbolah is there to protect not to kill the people.

You really don't know what you are talking about, do you? The human shield tactic is real. It's too early in the morning for me to go into detail but if you google it I'm sure some good information will come up.

[8-Hype]

Some people will never understand, Matthew.

Riot, you are absolutely right. They are the ones who kill deliberately, and as long as they make a profit with their actions, they don't care who they kill and who gets killed.

Wait a second. Since when has Hezbollah made a profit from killing people? American politicians make profits off killing people. Oil companies make profits off killing people.

What I meant is that they will really care about their actions when things get worse, and when people stop sympathizing them. But as long as they get what they want, which is the mental victory, they don't exactly care what they are doing. They just keep on going with it. But if they didn't get any compassion, they would really consider every single casualty, and would stop using people as human shields (great finding, Benji).

[Dro]

Dro, do I have to go and quote the dictionary definition of terrorism again to show you the difference?

LOL, I could care less about what Webster says about terrorism. You can stick whatever word you want to it, murder is murder. Just because you call one kind of murder terrorism doesn't make the other kind less evil.

[Username123]

The so called "human shield" tactic is complete bullshit, Hezbollah is there to protect not to kill the people.

You really don't know what you are talking about, do you? The human shield tactic is real. It's too early in the morning for me to go into detail but if you google it I'm sure some good information will come up.

I know the Human Shield tactic is real. But Hezbollah using it is bullshit.

[Riot]

The so called "human shield" tactic is complete bullshit, Hezbollah is there to protect not to kill the people.

You really don't know what you are talking about, do you? The human shield tactic is real. It's too early in the morning for me to go into detail but if you google it I'm sure some good information will come up.

I know the Human Shield tactic is real. But Hezbollah using it is bullshit.

You are right! They stuff families into their buildings to house them and they store their weapons in innocent families homes because it's also a self storage company! By god, you are right wisdom kid!

[Andrew]

As I may have mentioned once or twice before I don't like flying, probably to the extent of it being a phobia, though I managed to conquer that on the flight over to Canada. Needless to say I became a bit freaked when I flipped onto CNN in the hotel room and saw the news.

The fact they foiled the plot is tremendous though, obviously for the fact that people's lives were spared but also because it was a rather ingenious idea (and just to clarify, I definitely do not use "ingenious" in a positive or admiring manner here) and putting the new restrictions into effect immediately should help thwart similar offensives. It makes you wonder how else security measures could be bypassed and what further steps must be taken to ensure explosives cannot make their way onto aircraft.

[mercyless41]

LOL, I could care less about what Webster says about terrorism. You can stick whatever word you want to it, murder is murder. Just because you call one kind of murder terrorism doesn't make the other kind less evil.

You are right. Murder is murder, but that doesn't justify Hezbollah's terrorism.

The problem with you people (except for 8-hype, I know you're a f****** sionist) is you're taking sides on this matter. Both Israel and Hezbollah, Hamas and all those shitty muslim fundamentalist groups in middle east are wrong. No one defends acceptable arguments. They only have their own interests and as always the only who suffer is the common folk. In this case the superior war machinery of Israel is giving them the killing ratio advantage. Both sides kill civilians, both sides kill innocents, both sides want each other erased from the face of the Earth.

Many americans are with Israel because they believe they have a democracy and live like any other western country. Wrong. As I said in other post Israel has a militaristic sionist government. It isn't like western democracies and of course they don't live like westerners. Also they still look at jews like WW2 poor victims while they have turned from victims to victimators (or whatever it's been said) a long time ago.

Almost all of the rest of the world are with Palestine because they only look at the children an civilians dead. Wrong again. Those people support the terrorists in one or other way. Terrorism will never succeed against western countries. I know many arabic countries are pretty pissed off by the yanks but what do you expect when their leaders are pro-american rich pigs who live like in middle ages. As I said in another post people just have what they deserve. If arabs could be able to have decent governments with decent leaders they will not need terrorists to screw up USA interests any more.

As has happened many times before in wars through history, there's no good/bad boys. All of them are bad boys. I'm only sorry for the innocent people dying, specially the children.

[Riot]

Oh, bravo mercyless *golf clap*. Your moral highground has me shaking in my slippers. I think you are just too weak to pick a side. Why don't you man up, pansy?

[8-Hype]

8-hype, I know you're a f****** sionist

No, I am not . I have already said that I am a Christian. You should check other threads for what I wrote, noob.

The so called "human shield" tactic is complete bullshit, Hezbollah is there to protect not to kill the people.

You really don't know what you are talking about, do you? The human shield tactic is real. It's too early in the morning for me to go into detail but if you google it I'm sure some good information will come up.

I know the Human Shield tactic is real. But Hezbollah using it is bullshit.

You are right! They stuff families into their buildings to house them and they store their weapons in innocent families homes because it's also a self storage company! By god, you are right wisdom kid!

His ignorance towards actual facts is just killing me. I saw a reportage yesterday, and I realized that the Lebanese people are really out of their mind. They say that Israel specifically targets at civilians, and that they have no guts to fight with Hezbollah. WTF? First of all, if Hezbollah "fighters" came out of their hideouts and fought like real fighters, some days later the meaning "Hezbollah" wouldn't exist anymore. And then, they moan about civilian casualities . What else is there to expect if they hide out because they can't keep up with the struggles? Are you from Lebanon, Wisdom?

Oh, bravo mercyless *golf clap*. Your moral highground has me shaking in my slippers. I think you are just too weak to pick a side. Why don't you man up, pansy?

[benji]

As has happened many times before in wars through history, there's no good/bad boys. All of them are bad boys.

By that thread of thinking it was as wrong for the Allied powers to stop the Axis from dominating the globe as it was for the Axis to attempt to cleanse away the undesiribles.

And if you're going to expound conspiracy theories at least spell "Zionist" right for darkosakes.

The only way to prevent any further innocent lives lost, America and other countries should withdraw their troops from Muslim countries.

Because that's stopped Islamist terrorism in the past. That's stopped innocents from being butchered by their own Islamist and Nazi-style governments in the Muslim world.

It's an enemy that's goal is a worldwide domination of Islamism. If we withdraw our troops from the battlefields there, the battlefields will come here. As they have in New York, London, Madrid, Paris and elsewhere. As they've threatened to do recently in places like Toronto and Berlin.

[Matthew]

Unfortunately, Ben, terrorism will probably have to hit them before they realise what kind of a threat it is. One day they'll learn... one day.

[8-Hype]

Yeah, right. I, for instance, am speaking from my own experience, I have been involved in the Dec. 2003 and Apr. 2006 terrorist attacks in Tel-Aviv!

[Username123]

It's an enemy that's goal is a worldwide domination of Islamism. If we withdraw our troops from the battlefields there, the battlefields will come here. As they have in New York, London, Madrid, Paris and elsewhere. As they've threatened to do recently in places like Toronto and Berlin.

I don't know what type of Muslim would want worldwide domination of Islamism. In Islam, we are supposed to preach about our religion not to invade countries and force our religion. None of the Islamic leaders would want to blow up buildings in America just because they don't accept Islam. The reason they destroy, as i already mentioned, is because they have troops on Arab countries. The cities you mentioned were terror targets only because their troops were on Arab soil.

[benji]

Wrong. Maybe your average Muslim wouldn't do it, but the Islamists certainly have it as their goal.

In Islam, we are supposed to preach about our religion not to invade countries and force our religion.

Maybe it's just the Islamists, but why was there a Islamic/Arab empire and why are other religions and/or anything in violation of Islam punishible by death in most Muslim majority nations?

Also your "troops on Arab soil" reason is impossible to accept. No forces were "on Arab soil" prior to 9/11 and Bali as they had either withdrawn or were not already there in the case of the Aussies. No Canadian or German forces are on Arab soil despite being targeted recently. Also it's hard to accept because Muslims aren't Arab.

Bin Laden's stated goal, for example, is to restore the Caliphate and establish it over the entire world. He merely cites the "infidels" to gather a following.

No, the Islamists goal is the defeat of the West and a domination of the world. Just like the Fascist and Communists they follow in the footsteps of. Pretending that just packing up and leaving the Middle East and taking Israel with us would solve everything is foolish. It's like believing that Hitler would be satisified with the Sudetenland.