Lebanon/Israel

I know Dro is muslim, but some muslims are the most peaceful and open minded people you will ever meet.

Not every Mulsim (or arab) hates Isreal, and I hope for Dro's sake that isnt his excuse ("i'm arab so thats why I hate them)...

I know, but it can be a 'reason'. It's people that think like Dro that give Muslims a bad name.

Ok, i'm not really taking sides but the Jews do not only have those criminals captured in their prisons but they also have thousands of innocent people in there too. I'm not traying to make it sound like Israels the bad guy but why start a war over two soliders?

Well, I am a religious Muslim myself, and what irks me though is not a hate for Jews, I respect them and admire many of their qualities, but rather, the fact that so many people are dieing for no apparent reason when this could be solved in a much more peaceful manner. And to all of you who are supporting Hizbullah, thats all right too, just make sure you're not doing it out of a premade assumptional hate of Israel; but rather, that you actually looked into it, and see all the facts and details. As for the UN Post, if it really did try to communicate multiple times and said that we are from the UN, please dont bomb us, then I am angry at Israel for not taking heed to this warning.

May God(or for that matter, whatever deity you believe in) make it easy for those that are suffering, and bring about peace.

I know, but it can be a 'reason'. It's people that think like Dro that give Muslims a bad name.

LOL! I'm one of the most open-minded people I know. I have Jewish friends, I have Arab friends, I have White friends, Asian friends, lack friends, hispanic, etc...just because I'm Muslim doesn't mean I have any personal vendettas against any race, including Jewish.

You make out as if Hezbollah doesn't fire missiles as well. Where they are from doesn't really mean anything. And it is unfortunate that civillians die. But heres the difference and why hezbollah recieves no sympathy from me: they celebrate civillian deaths when they kill jews. There is no excuse or justification for that line on thinking... none whatsoever.

Yes, Hezbollah fires missiles. They don't stand there and try to defend their people. Unfortunate, isn't it?

Israel has killed 400+ civilians. They target airports, roads, and bridges. They have used a FORBIDDEN WEAPON (white phosphorous). When the phosphorous touches the body, it burns like hell and it can't be relieved with water.

I find it funny that people call Hezbollah a terrorist group because they're trying to defend a country. Most people have no idea what Hezbollah does for Lebanon. Most people think of them as terrorists in hoods and veils blowing strapping bombs to themselves. No...they help families financially, they offer medical aid. I've heard eyewitness reports from 3 different families who were in Lebanon that I know personally. They say Lebanon was organizing people into safe places such as schools, and they would stand guard outside people's houses to prevent looting. This is not a terrorist organization.

Are you serious? You're comparing 3 war criminals to a soldier being kidnapped whilst being on his own land doing nothing, and they should simply exchange the prisioners? I don't think so.

What about the thousands of innocent Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners? Hezbollah did not ask for a war that would kill over 450 people. They wanted an indirect negotiation and exchange. Israel decided to go with war.

And please, don't ever call me an Anti-Semite or Anti-Israel. I'm not one of those radicals who wants to destroy Israel, though I certainly disagree with pretty much everything they do and what they stand for. I have nothing against the Israeli people.

http://www.payvand.com/news/06/jul/1277.html

An excellent article that details atrocities committed by Israel. If you have the attention span, it's a great article to read.

Don't post that shit here. Completely unnecessary, why you felt we needed pictures of dead children and whatever I don't know.

Not directed at Dro btw.

Don't post that shit here. Completely unnecessary, why you felt we needed pictures of dead children and whatever I don't know.

Not directed at Dro btw.

It shows what some of these Isreal supporters think is right? I'll admit it may have been over the top but the point I made still stands

What Israel is doing is increadably stupid. They're blatantly violating the rules of war against a country that technacaly they're not even fighting. Noone is making sense in this.

What Israel is doing is increadably stupid. They're blatantly violating the rules of war against a country that technacaly they're not even fighting. Noone is making sense in this.

I take it you read the article? Sheds some light on things, don't it?

Nah, I was going to post what I did anyway. This whole thing is jsut so stupid, anyway.

FACT: Most of the people killed and injured by the Hizballah missles have been Arabs.
Also I heard that on Friday in Seatle a Arab walked into a Jewish federation building shooting 6, killing one.

Nah, it was a Pakistani, who was apparently mentally ill. It was an incredibly stupid thing to do. If anything, it made it worse for Muslims around the world. Apparently the guy wasnt invlolved in the mosque or anything, and had been charged for misdemeanor before.

LOL! I'm one of the most open-minded people I know. I have Jewish friends, I have Arab friends, I have White friends, Asian friends, lack friends, hispanic, etc...just because I'm Muslim doesn't mean I have any personal vendettas against any race, including Jewish.

But remember you had this beauty: "So yes, it is a bad thing." when we were talking about the jewish influence in america. That is infact a vendetta.

LOL! I'm one of the most open-minded people I know. I have Jewish friends, I have Arab friends, I have White friends, Asian friends, lack friends, hispanic, etc...just because I'm Muslim doesn't mean I have any personal vendettas against any race, including Jewish.

But remember you had this beauty: "So yes, it is a bad thing." when we were talking about the jewish influence in america. That is infact a vendetta.

Yes, I believe the Jewish influence in the US government is a bad thing. We give them billions of dollars in "aid", when that money could be used to improve schools, help the poor, etc, etc. Instead the money goes towards killing people?

Think about this; isn't Israel supposed to be the rational, democratic country that keeps peace in the Middle East? It's funny, because I can't think of a less peaceful nation than Israel. Has any country in the Middle East been to war as much as Israel has?

Fact is that the Hezbollah fires missiles from civilian regions and then hides between civilians. If Israel fires back to those regions, they cannot take the responsibility for the killed people. The Lebanese government has to take care of that. They purposely hide there in order to tell everybody afterwards that Israel just attacks inculpable and defenceless women and children. By the way, civilians have been warned by Israel to leave the region of the missile's origin.

Israel just answers back to the missiles the Hezbollah fires. They have to defend their own country, as it is well known that Israeli citizens have been killed as well, a lot of them. The Hezbollah attacks innocent people, consequently the Israeli army attacks the missile's origin.

And yes, the Israeli army targets at bridges, airports and freeways, because they aim to put Lebanon back to the 19th century. And I stand by it. Israel can't just put up with it, and let the terrorists bomb Israel and do nothing in response.

Your argument is so hypocritical!

Fact is that the Hezbollah fires missiles from civilian regions and then hides between civilians. If Israel fires back to those regions, they cannot take the responsibility for the killed people. The Lebanese government has to take care of that. They purposely hide there in order to tell everybody afterwards that Israel just attacks inculpable and defenceless women and children.

So you're telling me that Hezbollah is firing missiles out of BEIRUT? Beirut is where the majority of the damage is being done, but Hezbollah is not firing out of Beirut.

By the way, civilians have been warned by Israel to leave the region of the missile's origin.

That's funny how you say that, then later in your post you say you stand by Israel's decision to target roads, freeways, bridges and airports? Do you realize how rediculous that sounds? I hope so, because I shouldn't have to explain to you that the only way to get out is through roads, freeways, and bridges. There are families who I've talked to that were in Lebanon who's cars narrowly escaped missiles (and by narrowly I mean 15 feet). So Israel tells warns people to get out, yet targets their only escape route? Rediculous.

Israel just answers back to the missiles the Hezbollah fires.

You do realize Israel fired the first missiles? If we went by your logic, it would be Hezbollah answering back to Israel's missiles.

They have to defend their own country, as it is well known that Israeli citizens have been killed as well, a lot of them.

Yet when Hezbollah tries to defend their country, they're called a bunch of terrorists. It's OK if Israel kills 400 civilians because they're defending their country. But Hezbollah kills 50 and it's uncalled for, right? Wrong. LOAD OF BS!

Israel can't just put up with it, and let the terrorists bomb Israel and do nothing in response.

And that backs up my point...Israel kills, it's justified. Hezbollah kills, they're terrorists. You, my friend, are the product of the media's propaganda. Congrats!

Dro, I noticed that in most of your previous posts you were confusing Jews with Israelites. I don't think that most of the Jews living outside Israel think that Israel is doing the right thing. As I said in one of my previous posts, they're intelligent and smart people and they admit when "their" country is wrong (I say this for personal experience...I have Jewish classmates and they admit Israel isn't doing the right thing. They also said that the war of the six days or however the war against Egypt was called wasn't a smart move. An Israelite will never admit that).
By the way, you said that the US Government is giving Jewish people billions of dollars...well, I don't think that's true. I think most of the times, it is the Jews who give money to the US. Even in the American crisis of 1929, European Jews helped America with capitals and workers (mostly Italian, Polish and Czech Jews).
Anyways, I agree with you on the fact that Israel is not doing the right thing, but Hezbollah isn't either. They're both wrong, and they're fighting for anything but for claiming to be right. It's just stupid...the whole thing...it's just stupid. They should just stop killing innocent people, retire the army, sit their fucking arses on a chair and discuss on how to resolve the thing. This is how humans should resolve conflicts.

Dro, I noticed that in most of your previous posts you were confusing Jews with Israelites. I don't think that most of the Jews living outside Israel think that Israel is doing the right thing. As I said in one of my previous posts, they're intelligent and smart people and they admit when "their" country is wrong (I say this for personal experience...I have Jewish classmates and they admit Israel isn't doing the right thing. They also said that the war of the six days or however the war against Egypt was called wasn't a smart move. An Israelite will never admit that).
By the way, you said that the US Government is giving Jewish people billions of dollars...well, I don't think that's true. I think most of the times, it is the Jews who give money to the US. Even in the American crisis of 1929, European Jews helped America with capitals and workers (mostly Italian, Polish and Czech Jews).
Anyways, I agree with you on the fact that Israel is not doing the right thing, but Hezbollah isn't either. They're both wrong, and they're fighting for anything but for claiming to be right. It's just stupid...the whole thing...it's just stupid. They should just stop killing innocent people, retire the army, sit their fucking arses on a chair and discuss on how to resolve the thing. This is how humans should resolve conflicts.

You're right, I also know a lot of Jews that are not in favor of Israel and the Zionists. However, the US does give billions in "aid" to Israel, that's a fact. Planes, missiles, etc.

I also agree that neither party is correct in this war. War is never the right thing to do. However, Israel did start this war, despite popular belief, and that's why I favor the Lebanese in this war. I'm also sick of how people call Hezbollah a terrorist group.

Wow - Israel launches an airstrike, kills 60+ civilians, and calls a 48 hour ceasefire. They love to play it fair!

Wow, this thing has gotten out of hand. Seriously, somebody should start peace negotiations.

Jews...a lot of them were killed during worldwar 2
but now they killed a lot...

You do realize Israel fired the first missiles? If we went by your logic, it would be Hezbollah answering back to Israel's missiles.

Let me set this straight. Hezbollah started this by kidnapping two soldats. And not only this. They constantly have been firing missiles to a city called Sderot. Israel had enough of it and they started firing back.

Yet when Hezbollah tries to defend their country, they're called a bunch of terrorists. It's OK if Israel kills 400 civilians because they're defending their country. But Hezbollah kills 50 and it's uncalled for, right? Wrong. LOAD OF BS!

Then you are trying to let it look like Israel just targets at civilians. The terrorists hide between everyday citizens, so how can Israel be responsible for that the civilians get killed, too? Should they just let it all be and watch how Israel gets destroyed and do nothing in response? What should they do if not that what they are doing?

But the Hezbollah attacks only civilians. Israel commiserates with the killed civilians, whereas the Hezbollah celebrates killed people.

And then they are hiding children and some women between the terrorists in order to tell later that "50 people have been killed, most of them children". They purposely do that to get the sympathy of some people like you. And what I realized is that the media talks only about the people that have been killed in Lebanon, and says no word about killed civilians in Israel. And then you are telling me some bullshit like this:

You, my friend, are the product of the media's propaganda. Congrats!

I don't think I am your friend. And exactly you "are the product of the media's propaganda", because I haven't seen any source that tells something different than you tell.

I also agree that neither party is correct in this war. War is never the right thing to do. However, Israel did start this war, despite popular belief, and that's why I favor the Lebanese in this war. I'm also sick of how people call Hezbollah a terrorist group.

People like you make me wanna go and serve for the Israeli army. Do you realize that you are some kind of fucked up? Israel started this? Hezbollah is not a terrorist group? By the way, I realized that you just answer to the facts you can arraign, but not to those that are actually real facts.

So you're telling me that Hezbollah is firing missiles out of BEIRUT?

No, I am not. Beirut is not the only target of the Israeli army.

Just come out and admit you're anti jewish with no real reason.

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Why are you calling him a "motherfucker"?

Why are you calling him a "motherfucker"?

I am very sorry for that. Conceited people like him make me slip sometimes.

By the way: I am not Jewish, I am Christian. I support Israel because what they are doing is justified, and because I live there and am going back in two days.

And Israel has now promised 48 hours of ceasefire. Now the civilians have enough time to leave. After that Israel is going to start a veritable offense against Lebanon, and in two weeks they should be done.