islam and muslims

"I have said these things to you to keep you from stumbling. They will put you out of the synagogues. Indeed, an hour is coming when those who kill you will think that by doing so they are offering worship to God. And they will do this because they have not known the Father or me. But I have said these things to you so that when their hour comes you may remember that I told you about them." John 15

Jesus preached about the evil of killing of people in the name of God. I believe he was talking about EVERYONE, all religions, all people.

Christianity in theory is often much different than is practiced, and the same goes with the extremist Muslims. Islam is supposed to be a peaceful religion, like most religions are, but people take matters into their own hands and believe that they are justified by killing those who are against who they call God.

You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those that hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you...

"That you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes the sun rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.

"For if you love [only] those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors [stereotypically unjust people] do the same?

"And if you greet your bretheren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so?

"Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect." Matthew 5:43-48

Any Muslims out there- I'm sure the Koran preaches of peace, right? I haven't read it...But could you post some passages for me so that I can understand better? thanks

America's attacks are justified because they are in the victors. Of course. History is written by the victors.

Do you really think those crooked politicians, all politicians are crooked btw and I mean all, really do care about the country? You can disagree all you want but it's the truth? Wow that's arrogant. That's the reality isn't it. Americans make absolutist statements because they have money. Money is everything. Money is what makes us breathe, not stupid morals. America wants more money and more money is what makes them bomb innocents. Do you seriously see no financial motivation for the Bush's? I mean even if you consider Farenheit 911 pure bullshit, the stocks for Halliburton suddenly became huge after the Iraq war. Also, is it coincidence that the guy Bush named to be interim ruler of Iraq is a friend of his? My, Bush is certainly not looking after himself. Also...where the frick are the WMDs? Sadaam was one heck of an evil man, but why Iraq first? There are much more dangerous countries. Also, why did they spend so little time in Afghanistan?

I don't care if intelligence was wrong or whatever. The fact remains that Halliburton stocks were suddenly blooming after the war, as well as all the defense industries WHEN the country's economy was doing bad. My this concentrated growth sure has nothing to do with the war. To say that there wasn't any personal motivation from Bush seems ignorant or too brainwashed. Do you really think Bush is thinking about the world? I doubt it. He cares about himself. Do you think Iraq wanted this? I don't know. Would you live in a horrible country with a tyrant or be dominated by another country? A lot of people would choose the former. Who cares if the dominating government is good or whatever. It still feels horrible to be another country's slave, servant, whatever. I'd rather be under any other rule than jap rule, so this is understandable.

Why not use that money on other things? Fund education maybe? Healthcare? Oh you don't think more money can solve that? Do you know how much money they wasted in Iraq? They complain about the educational system, but the problem is a lack of funding. If all that money went into education, America would be doing much better. Well education doesn't give the politicians that much votes. It's all about votes and power. The democratic system is designed to work that way. People in power become drunk with power. It happens all the time. It won't ever change.

What is America anyhow?
It's a bunch of countries united by money.

Hey guys you know the people in like palestine that have bombs strapped around them and then they blow them selves up to kill the american soldiers...those people actuallly go to heaven in our religion because they sacrafiste them selfs for their country

Any Muslims out there- I'm sure the Koran preaches of peace, right? I haven't read it...But could you post some passages for me so that I can understand better? thanks

I don't think i can do that since its written in arabic....and i can't translate it....it will take me like 5 hours

Hey guys you know the people in like palestine that have bombs strapped around them and then they blow them selves up to kill the american soldiers...those people actuallly go to heaven in our religion because they sacrafiste them selfs for their country

sac-1 i am a religious muslim (repeat religious, NOT extremist) and it says nowhere in islam that blowing up people is a surefire way to get u into heaven. in islam the only time you are allowed to kill is in self defense. and even then it is disliked. in islam if you kill one person its as if you kill the whole world. and if you save one person its as if you saved the whole world. yes i know that what isreal is doing is terribly wrong, but suicide bombing only increases the terror. plus if it was a must that they had to suicide bomb in terms of self defense, it is haram(forbidden) to kill civilians if it can be prevented. phew, that took alot out of me

Anyways, I'm done off-topicking in this thread. If anyone else wants to pursue this, be my guest. I will answer only in the mod thread.

What is that, about the 8th time you've said that? I lost count.

Hey guys you know the people in like palestine that have bombs strapped around them and then they blow them selves up to kill the american soldiers...those people actuallly go to heaven in our religion because they sacrafiste them selfs for their country

sac-1 i am a religious muslim (repeat religious, NOT extremist) and it says nowhere in islam that blowing up people is a surefire way to get u into heaven. in islam the only time you are allowed to kill is in self defense. and even then it is disliked. in islam if you kill one person its as if you kill the whole world. and if you save one person its as if you saved the whole world. yes i know that what isreal is doing is terribly wrong, but suicide bombing only increases the terror. plus if it was a must that they had to suicide bomb in terms of self defense, it is haram(forbidden) to kill civilians if it can be prevented. phew, that took alot out of me

you are a muslim...yay ...didn't know there were other muslims in these forums

America's attacks are justified because they are in the victors. Of course. History is written by the victors.

Do you really think those crooked politicians, all politicians are crooked btw and I mean all, really do care about the country? You can disagree all you want but it's the truth? Wow that's arrogant. That's the reality isn't it. Americans make absolutist statements because they have money. Money is everything. Money is what makes us breathe, not stupid morals. America wants more money and more money is what makes them bomb innocents. Do you seriously see no financial motivation for the Bush's? I mean even if you consider Farenheit 911 pure bullshit, the stocks for Halliburton suddenly became huge after the Iraq war. Also, is it coincidence that the guy Bush named to be interim ruler of Iraq is a friend of his? My, Bush is certainly not looking after himself. Also...where the frick are the WMDs? Sadaam was one heck of an evil man, but why Iraq first? There are much more dangerous countries. Also, why did they spend so little time in Afghanistan?

I don't care if intelligence was wrong or whatever. The fact remains that Halliburton stocks were suddenly blooming after the war, as well as all the defense industries WHEN the country's economy was doing bad. My this concentrated growth sure has nothing to do with the war. To say that there wasn't any personal motivation from Bush seems ignorant or too brainwashed. Do you really think Bush is thinking about the world? I doubt it. He cares about himself. Do you think Iraq wanted this? I don't know. Would you live in a horrible country with a tyrant or be dominated by another country? A lot of people would choose the former. Who cares if the dominating government is good or whatever. It still feels horrible to be another country's slave, servant, whatever. I'd rather be under any other rule than jap rule, so this is understandable.

Why not use that money on other things? Fund education maybe? Healthcare? Oh you don't think more money can solve that? Do you know how much money they wasted in Iraq? They complain about the educational system, but the problem is a lack of funding. If all that money went into education, America would be doing much better. Well education doesn't give the politicians that much votes. It's all about votes and power. The democratic system is designed to work that way. People in power become drunk with power. It happens all the time. It won't ever change.

What is America anyhow?
It's a bunch of countries united by money.

Best thing I've read in the past week, anywhere. Props to you, bang.

you are a muslim...yay ...didn't know there were other muslims in these forums

I did not know myself.... i am not gonna say any more than that or Legend will start flaming.

the only reason i started this thread was because i had gone over to aols thread and they were all creatures of hate. so i wanted to see what the reaction would be here. thankfully, this forum has some of the kindest people

I did not know myself....

Be glad you don't, you might find yourself annoying.

Is there a principle in the Islamic teachings that says "An eye for an eye, tooth for tooth" ? The muslims are revenging cuz they're offended. Is it true?

Is there a principle in the Islamic teachings that says "An eye for an eye, tooth for tooth" ? The muslims are revenging cuz they're offended. Is it true?

That would be christianity.

nah that is in the old testament. when we speak of christianity it is much on the forgiving side. you know "turning away the other cheek"

nah that is in the old testament. when we speak of christianity it is much on the forgiving side. you know "turning away the other cheek"

No, christianity bases it's religion on the bible. It's in the bible, and hence - it's christianity.

Individual christians however can base their beliefs on diffrent parts of the bible.

that makes it orthodox christian then? because i dont based much my beliefs in the old testament. because Jesus came and get away with the old. kinda like an ammendment of some sort to the laws

that makes it orthodox christian then? because i dont based much my beliefs in the old testament. because Jesus came and get away with the old. kinda like an ammendment of some sort to the laws

If you follow the ten commandments, you follow the old testament.

well i followed about 800+ commandments actually the old testament is just used for basis of the new testament. it is not to be taken into account and used for todays society. in short it is directed to the ISRAELITES. and we are in the AD era now. we dont need to collect tithes and do blood offerings and paste our doors with blood. we are called to be compasionate to one another. the teachings of Jesus as said didnt eradicate the old testament. it upgrades it to the new society. i hope you get me on this. yes i do agree there are many so called "christians sects" out there that stress out that the 10 commandments is what will save you. BS. in the 10 commandments do they have the rule there not to take drugs? is there a rule there to take care of your bodies? NO. so it is not complete. Jesus therefore completes it. what is lacking in God's rules. because human existence in the old testament is still young and raw. now life is very complicated and many are trying to exempt their way to salvation.

of course if you are not that methical to the bible you may think i speak garbage but that is what it is my friend.

well i followed about 800+ commandments actually the old testament is just used for basis of the new testament. it is not to be taken into account and used for todays society. in short it is directed to the ISRAELITES. and we are in the AD era now. we dont need to collect tithes and do blood offerings and paste our doors with blood. we are called to be compasionate to one another. the teachings of Jesus as said didnt eradicate the old testament. it upgrades it to the new society. i hope you get me on this. yes i do agree there are many so called "christians sects" out there that stress out that the 10 commandments is what will save you. BS. in the 10 commandments do they have the rule there not to take drugs? is there a rule there to take care of your bodies? NO. so it is not complete. Jesus therefore completes it. what is lacking in God's rules. because human existence in the old testament is still young and raw. now life is very complicated and many are trying to exempt their way to salvation.

of course if you are not that methical to the bible you may think i speak garbage but that is what it is my friend.

No, this is utter bullshit.

You have the ten commandments as the base of christian faith, now I don't know if you over in wherever strongly disagree with the pope and the rest of the christian church but there is no way around the ten commandments. There is not 800+ commandments, there is 9, 10 or 11 depending which interpretation you choose to go by (how the last ones should be divided and so). I never claimed or made any suggestions that the blood offerings was a central part, or any part of christian faith, but the fact remains that if you are christian, you follow (or adhere to) the ten commandments. And the ten commandments are in the old testament, and hence you follow the old testament.

Where you get the sect-part from, I don't know. (addendum: that would be a christian cult, not a sect).

The rest of the your post can at best be described as maniacal typings from someone who doesn't really want to say anything.

Well the Koran says that you can attack back in self defense but it is not exactly something looked upon as good.

Coolmac is somewhat right, Jesus sort of "overruled" the old testament. He even spoke out against the quote you were talking about "Eye for an eye".
"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, don't resist him who is evil; but whoever strikes you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also. If anyone sues you to take away your coat, let him have your cloak also. Whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks you, and don't turn away him who desires to borrow from you.

Matthew 5:38-42

So there, overruled by Jesus.

I wouldn't say the 10 commandments were overruled by the Jesus commandments, but Jesus' teachings take priority over the teachings of others. So therefore, "eye for an eye" has been overruled.

But the old testament is still followed is you go by the christian faith, right?

And if you follow the old testament, in theory the eye for an eye-argument would still hold water. Even if it's overruled by Jesus sayings, or not followed by most christians.

I guess it depends really.
I always thought that the Old Testament isn't as important...sort of like "for reference"..
Then again, dunno if my view of Christianity is considered norm.
If it was overruled then that means that it's not "eye for eye" no more? (Kind of like an amendment?)

No, christianity bases it's religion on the bible. It's in the bible, and hence - it's christianity.

Individual christians however can base their beliefs on diffrent parts of the bible.

The Old Testament is considered obsolete by the Christian religion... It is only used for 'museum' purposes... Christioans do not follow the Old Testament, they now follow the scripts of the Apostles and the Evangelists...

but they do have a fucked up religion, so i dont care. I'm gonna continue to stereotype their asses, im done with that whole tolerance BS.

Yet you listen to music Muslims make, or wait just cause their African-American Muslims their ok? well I guess you can blame muslims for you being a wigger. Plus I heard theirs an Australian ex-solider whose made some Al-Qaeda terrorist video, guess Christianity or RC was too fucked up for him eh.
Fucking idiot, have you even read books about the religion or are you still listening to your assfathers teachings?
And no Im not one bit Muslim.

Im pretty much on par with Jackal and Jae , by the way has anyone seen the documentary about war news filtering? Thats on a higher level than Michael Moore stuff, you wont believe what the American Press filters out when it comes to the footage in Iraq. Muslims arent terrorist, a person is a terrorist.

dud u know that tupac shakur, dave cheppele are muslim. shakur is a muslim name

I always though Tupac was Christian, partially because of all the croses he wore...
By the way:

His mother Alice Faye Williams changed his name from Lesane Parish Crooks to Tupac Shakur, the name is from an old Inca Indian tribe and means 'shining serpent', & his last name, Shakur, means thankful to God.