Fri May 06, 2005 3:09 pm
Col. DWeaver99027 wrote:the left wing Christians.
What in heaven's name is that? Communists that believe in God?
lol, left wing Christians are less conservative in their approach to the Bible, teachings, and rules. Instead of taking the Bible literally, they take it metaphorically, meaning they don't have to believe in Adam and Eve, but read it as a metaphor so they can understand the message behind Adam and Eve, etc. It's not like you have to believe in this or that or else you'll go to hell. Heck, even for some left wing Christians, hell is a concept rather than an actual place beneath the earth that we'll go after we die.
Fri May 06, 2005 3:19 pm
so the last/late pope was a left wing christian then? i hear him say that hell doesn't exist and it was just a state of mind for christians.....such hog wash
Fri May 06, 2005 4:54 pm
Pope? The most recent Pope, which was John Paul II was a conservative pope, and the current one, Pope Benedict XVI, is very conservative, and I'm very sure that they both believe in hell as a literal place.
Edit: COOLmac, I think I know where you heard that John Paul II believed that hell was a concept - that was from a tabloid, which was made up, so it's all a joke. My ex-girlfriend's aunts reads the tabloids, and I came across that article myself
Edit: COOLmac, I think I know where you heard that John Paul II believed that hell was a concept - that was from a tabloid, which was made up, so it's all a joke. My ex-girlfriend's aunts reads the tabloids, and I came across that article myself
Fri May 06, 2005 6:11 pm
yeah....i got it from a tabloid.........isn't tabloid a good source of news 
....actually i never get to hear the pope preach....all i ever hear from any of them is just love your neighbor, lets make love not war and many more love teachings.......not that it is a bad thing......but can they preach more about the bible than just love and love.......ask any catholic out there even the basics about the bible, they can't answer you right.......this is because the words of God hasn't been thouroughly preached.....it is preached yes.....but not enough.....
just to make things clear....i am a catholic since birth........but i have my religion upgraded.......since i am not sure the term "open church" is the right one.......i'll be planing to get my self baptized soon enough if i am ready.....since i was baptized as an infant, i dont think that was right at all.........i have nothing against the catholic church......all i'm saying is maybe it is time we consider the real church.....the church of God.....
....actually i never get to hear the pope preach....all i ever hear from any of them is just love your neighbor, lets make love not war and many more love teachings.......not that it is a bad thing......but can they preach more about the bible than just love and love.......ask any catholic out there even the basics about the bible, they can't answer you right.......this is because the words of God hasn't been thouroughly preached.....it is preached yes.....but not enough.....
just to make things clear....i am a catholic since birth........but i have my religion upgraded.......since i am not sure the term "open church" is the right one.......i'll be planing to get my self baptized soon enough if i am ready.....since i was baptized as an infant, i dont think that was right at all.........i have nothing against the catholic church......all i'm saying is maybe it is time we consider the real church.....the church of God.....
Mon May 09, 2005 1:37 pm
here is a very nice lecture about women,family and marriage
we are going to study how a woman can become of God. God has a way of making all of us become of God, regardless of whether, or not, you are a woman, a t-bird, a lesbian, or a what ever. But most especially, the ones being referred to in our topic are the married women. God enumerated the ways on how, even the most wicked persons on earth can be converted and be made worthy in the eyes of God. That is what Acts 26:18 says:
“To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God …”
The only thing that a person must do is, to open his eyes so that, from darkness, he could turn to light, and “from the power of Satan unto the power of God.” In other words, anybody who is in the power of Satan can be delivered and be brought to God by following the requirement that St. Paul mentioned. And that is, to open one’s eyes. But, why must a person open his eyes? II Cor. 4:4 says, “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not . . .”
Satan, whom the Bible calls as “the god of this world”, is blinding the minds of the believers and the faithful. And once you have been blinded, you now become helpless. You cannot see the light anymore. No amount of spotlight can make you see because you are already blind. But if you are not blind, even if you close your eyes, you could still, somehow, have a glimpse of the light. Unlike if you are already blind, even if a high-voltage bulb is placed before you, your eyes will not react at all. That is what the devil does. He is blinding our minds for us not to see the light, and for us to depart from God.
Let us read once again what II Cor. 4:4 says,
“In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
Of course, it is not the literal eyes that Satan is blinding, but the minds of the people. A blind mind is worse than being void of sight. You will never understand anything good anymore because your mind has been blinded. How will you regard a father who rapes his daughter? Is he blind, or not? He is blind because, if his mind is enlightened, he will never do that. No father, in his right mind, will ever rape his daughter. A father could afford to rape his daughter because his mind has been blinded.
And who made him blind? The god of this world, or Satan, blinded him. The mind of the believers is being blinded, “lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” That is what St. Paul said.
That is why, if you have been blinded, you are now completely under the power of Satan. But God has a way. That is what Acts 26:18 says: “To open their eyes …”
Why must their eyes be opened? . . . because they have been blinded by the devil. There are people who are blinded by money. For them, when it comes to money, nothing else should matter, not even blood relationships. For them, business is business. And being relatives should not get in the way.
I think, that is foolishness! Whenever I get engaged in business, I always consider my relatives, and my brethren in God. We must exercise consideration, and the foremost of which is, consideration as Christians. But, undoubtedly, there are, indeed, people who have been blinded by money.
Also, there are men, whose eyes are blinded by the physical beauty of women. There are men who are willing to abandon their wives and children in favor of another woman. “If you will only go with me, I am ready to leave my wife.” This woman, on the other hand, will deliberately entice the man further. If I were a woman, I will never go with that man. Why? She must realize that, if this man could afford to leave his wife and children for the sake of another woman, the more he could afford to do it to her! He will surely abandon her, too, because he has been “blinded”.
There are a lot of other things that blind people. There are people who are blinded by money; there are people who are blinded by honor; there are people who are blinded by power. The devil is employing a lot of things in his desire to blind man. He will urge you to cheat, or kill your opponents during elections, for you to stay in power.
Man can be blinded by so many things; the devil uses many things to blind men. And once you have been blinded, you will now depart from God. You will now be under the power of the devil. Nevertheless, there are still ways by which a man, who has been under the power of the devil, could still be led back to God.
God, is a loving God. He wants all of us to be saved. And should we not be saved, it would be due to our stubbornness already, inasmuch as God has done all the measures for Him to win back your souls and to lead you to the path leading to salvation. There is always a way by which a man can be redeemed. And if a man could not be redeemed, he would be condemned. And should that happen, it is no longer God’s fault, but ours.
The topic that we have studied dealt with marriage that is in accordance to the will of God. And you have fully seen the traits of a woman that is of God. But there are women who are not of God. You see, there are only two kinds of people on earth. It is either you are of God, or against God. What John 8:47,44 says is clear: “He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.” Whose are they? (44) “Ye are of your father the devil …”
Therefore, if you are not of God, “you are of your father, the devil”. However, if we are under the power of the devil right now, we must not lose hope. Do not allow yourself to totally succumb to sinfulness. There is still a way. For you to be of God, your eyes must be opened first. And what could open your eyes? What else, but the word of God! That is the “light” that could open your eyes and your minds.
Now, which woman is not of God? … the infidel! It is she who, soon after her husband turns his back, already flirts with other men. There are women who are like that. A woman that is not of
God is heartless, unfaithful to her husband, and lazy, such that, despite the fact that it is already noon, she has not risen from bed yet. She remains lying in bed while hers husband is the one doing the laundry. And when mealtime comes, the food must still be brought inside her room. Otherwise, she will yell at her husband, “Hurry up, Kulas! I am already hungry!” Question: is there still a possibility for that kind of woman to become of God? We will just do a little “repair”. She has to undergo a little repair. And if a woman would submit herself for a repair, she must first learn how to be tactful in her speech. She must learn how to hold her tongue, because there are tongues, which are tactless. At the same time, she must also polish and refine her manners.
And for us to understand what God wants us to do, we are going to study all of them one by one. First of all, let us find out how a woman can be of God. Let us read II Tim. 3:17, “That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”
The Bible said, “That a man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” Therefore, for anyone to become of God, he ought to be taught of all the good works. That is why, for a man and woman to be of God, they have to be taught of all the good works. Now, let us ask the Bible. What are the good works that a woman must do so that she becomes of God?
This is what Pet. 3:2-6 says:
“While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; But let it be the hidden man of the heart in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord: whose daughters are ye, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.”
This is a rather lengthy pronouncement coming from St. Peter. And I want to discuss this with you point by point. The Bible said, “While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing gold, or of putting on of apparel; But let it be the hidden man of the heart in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quick spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord: whose daughters are ye, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.”
What is the Scripture trying to tell us? Let us take it one by one. “While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.” First and foremost, a woman must be chaste and demure. At the same time, she must have fear in her heart. You see, there are women who dress up demurely, but their behavior is coquettish. My grandmother used to call those kind of women “kiri na, landi pa” (not only a flirt but also a coquette). Her first name is “Kiri na” (flirt) and her surname is “Landi pa” (coquette).
There are women who dress themselves up with modesty but they act like flirts and coquettes. During our time, those kinds of women were considered whores and harlots.
The primary qualification that God wants a woman to possess is modesty, or demureness. What do demure and modest manners mean? It means that a woman acts with refinement and finesse. She is not vulgar; she is demure, and not coquettish. A demure woman had been epitomized by Maria Clara, whose hands could not even be touched by other men. No touch! And if ever her hands had been touched by a man, she would readily burst into tears and ask the man to marry her because he had disgraced her by touching her hands.
That is why, in the past, whenever a man wants to marry a woman, do you know what he would be asking for? He would be asking for the “hand” of the woman. When I was young, I didn’t understand yet the meaning of that idiomatic expression. I was wondering, “why was he asking for her hand? What would he do with her hands?” You see, that idiomatic expression developed because, in the past, if a woman’s hand had been touched by a man, it was tantamount to having disgraced her. So, the man ought to marry her … because, then, the women were modest and demure. Unlike today when a man can touch a woman any where. And sometimes, he does not only touch her! No wonder, nowadays, there are many unwed mothers. They get engaged in pre-marital relationships. And that is because, they have set aside the chastity and the modesty that God is asking for. And once chastity and modesty are gone, the outcome is not good.
For example, I, being a Christian, must not marry a woman who is not demure and modest. If the woman that you are going to marry lacks modesty and demureness, I am sure, before your wedding day comes, she has already flirted with other men. Just come to think of it. You are going to marry her; you are going to kiss her in the altar, but without your knowledge, she had already been kissed by four different men. They had kissed her ahead of you. That is not in conformity with what the Bible teaches. A woman should be demure and modest. A woman’s honor and reputation will surely be preserved if only she observes chastity and modesty.
Let us read Deut. 22:13-21,
“If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her. And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel’s virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel’s father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her; And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter’s virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him. And they shall amerce him in a hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel.”
But what if she was no longer a virgin?
(20-21) “But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die.”
In Israel, if a woman deceives her would-be husband by telling him that she is still a virgin, but proven otherwise, she would be stoned to death. That was in Israel, but not among the Christians. I am just trying to tell you that a woman should safeguard her honor, considering the essence of what the Bible said. In fact, in Israel, a man should no longer take a woman to be his wife if he already knew that she was no longer a virgin.
Let us read Lev. 21:13-14. “And he shall take a wife in her virginity. A widow, or a divorced woman, or profane, or a harlot, these shall he not take …”
If you are a servant of God, you are prohibited from taking a harlot as your wife; neither a profane nor a widow. Therefore, a woman must take care of her honor. And a woman who is demure and modest must safeguard her chastity.
Others might ask, “Bro. Eli, how is that now? I did not know this doctrine before!” Of course, we can never do anything anymore if you have already lost your chastity, despite the fact you are not yet married. What else can we do? We can no longer restore it. But, just the same, I am teaching you this just in case some of you have still maintained their chastity. It would be better if you will safeguard your reputation as a damsel, or maid. But, if you have gotten married … if you have committed some bad things in the eyes of God, there is still a way by which we can make up for all of those, and eventually, become Christians. God does not readily cast off people. If you committed those things out of your ignorance of God’s teachings, you could always repent, and God would grant you forgiveness. This is the reason why we are trying to trace, from the Bible, how a woman may become a woman of God. And we have learned that, for a woman to be of God, she must be chaste and modest. But if you are not one, you may start trying to be one. It is a must that a woman be demure and modest.
It is always nice to see women whose manners are modest and demure. Have you seen a woman claims to be demure but wears a micro mini? Once a woman wearing a micro mini dress sits down, the tendency is for her dress to be pulled upward, thereby, exposing her thighs. And when her thighs are bared, she now tries very hard to pull her dress downward. But if we will just be honest about it, isn’t it that her main intention for wearing a micro mini is to display her thighs? So why bother to pull the dress lower? Can we consider that woman as demure? I don’t think so. If she is, she will not wear a micro mini dress.
Actually, there are many women, (I am not generalizing), who dress up that way in order to be noticed. Are you agreeable to that? There was one woman who was trying to justify herself. She said that, the reason why she was trying to look attractive is because of her husband. Is that true? You are trying to look good because of your husband? If that is the case, I told her that if her husband comes home by 6 PM, then, she should take a bath by 5:30. Start fixing yourself very well because he is coming home at 6. That is, if it were true that you are trying to look attractive because of your husband.
But, why is it that you fix yourself the moment that your husband leaves the house? Did you fix yourself for your husband? No! . . . because he is not there to appreciate your beauty! The real reason why you want to look good is because you want to attract the attention of other men! You have a different motive!
Let us read the word of God who knows what’s in the hearts of men. Why do you want to look beautiful? Let us read Jer. 4:30,
“And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson …”
This is what a woman, who wants to be noticed, does. It does not really mean that since she is wearing crimson red, she will already be noticed. In other words, she still has to do something. Let us continue reading. “… though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting …”
She would even paint her face. According to the Bible, there are women who want to look good by painting their eyes. Painting one’s eyes was already practiced in the past. And since we are living in the modern times, women even apply glitters in their eyelids. That is why, if you would see them in the dark, with their heavily painted eyes, you would be frightened. That is not how an ideal woman looks like. I prefer a woman who has very little adornment.
There are women who would even apply foundation. If they don’t like their eyebrows, they pluck it, even if the whole process is painful. You would see how their faces get distorted because of pain, but they try to bear it. On the other hand, there are also women who, totally, do not like what God had given them. Please, excuse me, but I am just telling the truth. There are those do not like what God gave them, so they shave their brows. But the problem is, when she drew another pair of eyebrows, she placed them higher than where they should be. That is why, if you are the shy type, you will never court her because her eyes has intimidated you. She looks very arrogant with her high brows.
She adorns herself with gold, and she paints her eyes. Why? Let us continue. “… in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee.”
The reason why there are women who want to look beautiful is because of her lovers, or wooers. A woman wants to have as many suitors. Are you aware of it, gentlemen? I know that because I had read it from the Bible. The more suitors a woman has, the more she likes it. Who among you here do not want being courted? No woman does not want to be courted. I am not saying that all women are like that, but most of them want to be courted. That is why a woman feels desperate when nobody is courting her. So, sometimes she just grabs any man who comes along. There are women who are like that.
Is there any verse in the Bible that would prove that, there are times that woman wants to look beautiful for her lover? Let us read Isa. 3:16. “… Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes …”
They walk with their wanton eyes; they were proud women. “… walking and mincing as they go …”
Their hips sway from left to right while walking, as though they were grinders. Let us continue. “…“And making a tinkling with her feet.”
She deliberately makes a tinkling sound with her feet in order to be noticed.
“Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion.”
It had happened in Israel before. God cursed the women because of their coquettish manners. Imagine that? She would even look wantonly while walking. She looked very proud as she tried to produce a tinkling sound with her feet. That only means that she was really trying to entice, or lure, the men for them to follow her. This is what Hosea 2:13 says. “And I will visit upon her the days of Baalim, wherein she burned incense to them, and she decked herself with her earrings and her jewels, and she went after her lovers.”
She was acting that way because she was looking for lovers. Therefore, if it is true that you are making yourself beautiful because of your husband, then, you should beautify yourself only when he is about to arrive home. Wear a perfume when he is about to come. But if you will behave like a coquette, other men will court you. Don’t tell me that married women are no longer courted! There are married women who still want to be courted. Am I right?
One of God’s doctrines for women is to observe modesty and demureness. However, is modesty, or demureness, limited only to manners and behavior? I Tim. 2:9 says, “In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel …”
What does modest apparel mean? Let us continue reading. “… with shamefacedness and sobriety …”
What does shamefacedness mean? I will give you a hint. A popular cliché says, “no modest maiden could be too hard-hearted to a patient suppliant.” A maiden is modest like the Virgin Mary. Have you seen an illustration of Mary wherein she is wearing a micro mini, or a dress with plunging neckline? Have you seen her wearing a long skirt whose slit is up to her thighs?
I once saw a beautiful woman, and she was wearing a very long dress. At first glance, I got impressed by her long dress, but when she walked, half of her thighs were being exposed through the slit in her skirt. Good that she had a nice pair of legs. But, what if her legs are laden with marks of scars as big as coins? Some women adopt the latest fashion even if the style of the dress does not fit her body and her complexion. In the Bible, we were told that God wants the woman to be modest, not only in her behavior but also in her manner of dressing.
We could read from the Bible that the women were being admonished to adorn themselves in “modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety.” This means that a woman should dress up with decency; she must wear modest apparel. And if a woman acts modestly … if she wears modest apparel, nobody will be tempted to rape her. Will she still be raped?
Do you want to be of God? First, you must act modestly; second, you must wear modest apparel. What else? Let us read II Tim. 2:11. This is what it says: “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.”
First and foremost, it says, the women must learn to be silent. Why was she told to learn to keep quiet? It is because a lot of women are noisy, especially the married ones. As early as 5, or 6, in the morning she is already talking. “You did not even wash the plates that you used last night! How shameless you are! Kulas, see how lazy your children are? You all depend on me only. I work in the market all day and … blah …blah …! She talks endlessly … until midnight. Her husband was already half-asleep, but still, she was nagging him. “Why don’t you look for a job? You are very lazy! You are shameless! You let me carry all the burdens!"” She never stopped from talking. Until her husband got fed up. So, her warned her, "Will you stop talking, or not?” But she kept on talking, so he gave her a punch. She was knocked down. But when she woke up, she started talking again. And louder, this time.
This is the reason why, one of the commandments of God to women says, “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.” Why was she asked to be silent? Let us read what Prov. 9:13 says, “A foolish woman is clamorous.”
The Bible considers a clamorous, or talkative, woman foolish. Just try to thinks about it my fellowmen. Who among you are clamorous? According to the Bible, a foolish woman is clamorous. Can anything be gained out of a woman’s talkativeness? Let us read Prov. 14:23. “In all labour there is profit; but the talk of the lips tendeth only to penury.”
Every labor is profitable, but not can be gained out of a talkative mouth. If you are a woman, does it profit you to talk a lot? There was a tactless woman who, after quarreling with her husband, divulged to her neighbors the secrets that her husband keeps, including his ringworm. A talkative woman would expose your entire being to other people.
Therefore, if you are courting a woman, try to observe her closely. If she is wide-mouthed, she will surely bring you lots of troubles.
A man thinks that he is heading for a peaceful life if he is going get married. What peace are you talking about? Will you ever find peace with a very talkative wife? Instead of peace, you are heading for a troublesome life. Let us read Prov. 27:15. “A continual dropping in a very rainy day …”
On a rainy day, rain water pours on your roof. What about it? “… and a contentious woman are alike.”
Rainwater and a contentious woman are alike. The continuous pouring of rainwater through the leaks of the roof is annoying. Sometimes, you are also being sprinkled with water, so you put a pail right where the drops fall. But even if you do that, you still couldn’t sleep because of the “plok-plok” sound they produce.
In the past, the roof of our house used to have leaks. So, each time that it would rain, we would put a pail right where the leaking water fell. There was a time when I really has a sleepless night because I was distracted by the sound that the drops of water produced. It was as if, I was counting each drop that fell. And is where a talkative and contentious woman had been compared. God said (Prov. 21:9), “It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house.”
Of what use is a big house if you are living there with a brawling woman? It is better to live in a corner of the housetop rather than live in a big house with a brawling and contentious woman. Every day you will sin; every day you’ll be annoyed. You’ll possibly end up in hell. That is why God’s decision is to dwell in the wilderness instead. (Prov. 21:19) “It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.”
It is better to dwell in the wilderness than to live with a contentious and an angry woman. In that case, there remains the possibility that you might still be saved and be worthy of God. And in order to reform a contentious and angry woman, this is what the Bible says (I Tim. 2:11), “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.”
A woman must be under the subjection of her husband. A woman was never given the right to be independent. God had placed the woman under the authority of a man. That is why, one of the doctrines that a married woman must follow is, she must submit herself to the subjection of her husband. How must she submit herself? Let us read Ephe. 5:24, “Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their husbands in every thing.”
Sisters, are you ready to be worthy in the eyes of God? Are you willing to be under the subjection of your husbands? Submit yourself to him completely. For instance, if your husband wants you to dress up conservatively, then, try to dress yourself up conservatively. If your husband does not want you to wear brightly colored dresses, then, do not wear brightly colored dresses. If your husband does not want you to gossip and chat with your neighbors, then, do not do so. Let’s face it, there are really women who never stop from talking. That is the reason why God commanded them “to learn in silence with all subjection”. She must submit herself, with full subjection, to her husband. That is why, in the Church, which the Bible speaks of, there are no domineering wives.
A man who is under the dominion of his wife will never be saved. He will sure be damned in hell, because he did the opposite of what God had commanded. What God said was that, the woman must be under the authority of the man. Just consider why Eve ate the forbidden fruit. … because Adam was not around then. She did not consult Adam first before making a decision. When Eve ate the fruit, she did it out of her own will; she did not consult her husband.
And for a family to live harmoniously, the wife must learn to submit herself to her husband. If you want to buy a refrigerator, consult your husband first. In the first place, he is the breadwinner. If he gives his consent, then, go ahead. You may buy one. If that is the case, do you think they will still quarrel? Not anymore, because he has given her his consent. The husband is the head in the household; he is the president. If the president has approved something, the vice president also approves it. Who is the president? Ephe. 5:23, “For the husband is the head of the wife.”
The husband is the head of his wife. Therefore, if you are the husband, but you are just the vice president in the house, that means, you do not believe in God. In a marital relationship, the husband is the head, and his wife must be under his subjection. And if a wife submits herself under the subjection of her husband, there will never be any quarrel between the two of them. If you want visit your parents, you seek for the permission of your husband. If he consents, even if you go home late, he will not be angry with you. Who knows, he might even fetch you there. Because he loves you, and because you understand each other, he might even fetch you from your parents’ house.
Just consider the trains. Trains will not collide and clash against each other so long as they stick to their respective rails, even if one of them gets out of order. A husband and a wife have their respective rails to tread. And as long as they stick to their own rails, everything will run smoothly; no accidents will happen. But why do accidents happen? Why are some children neglected? Why do they turn out to be drug addicts? Why do some children become gamblers and bystanders? Why do they loiter in the streets? Why? … because both the husband and the wife had gone off the track. Especially so today when some couples just beget children without proper planning. “Dear, it’s been two months since my last menstruation.” Then, her mother-in-law asked how many children do they already have. She said 12, and she is conceiving for the 13th. And because of that, she was ascribing the blame to Kulas, her husband. But Kulas ascribed the blame on her, saying that she liked it too. That is the usual story. And at my age, I have witnessed similar situations.
There are also parents who would even give justification for their negligence. They would reason out that, it is better that they are many because, many will be working for their livelihood. There are really parents who bear children just to have somebody to work in their behalf. That is not good.
Personally, I believe that, loving parents normally prepare for their child even before he is born. They buy the baby a crib, diapers, etc. Although, nowadays, diapers are no longer a problem because of the availability of disposable diapers. But in the past, long before the baby is born, the expecting mother already prepares the diapers. She would even embroider them with the word “baby”. The parents also plan for their child’s future. “When she grows up, we would send her to St. Agnes, or St. Mary. They also plan for the course that they want their child to pursue. That is what I mean by “planning”.
There are also husbands would run their hands on the tummy of their pregnant wives. They would talk to the baby inside, “When are you going to come out? I hope you are a girl.” And the reason they want a girl is, for her to work in a cabaret when she grows up. That is wrong. A child must be loved; he/she must not be made a laborer.
If we are going to live in accordance to the laws being spoken in the Bible, the wife must submit herself to her husband. The husband, on the other hand, is under the authority of Christ. He must live by the doctrines of God; he must not cheat his wife. That is the next topic that we are going to study. We will try to find out the qualities of a man to whom the woman must submit herself.
But always bear in mind, sisters, for a woman not to go wrong, she must abide by the doctrines of God. She must put herself under the subjection of her husband. (Next time, we are going to study the kind of husband a man should be.)
At this point, let us focus our discussion on the women. First of all, the Bible admonished the woman to be modest, both in her ways and in her manner of dressing. She must not be contentious and talkative. What else? Col. 3:18 gives the commandment for women. “Wives, submit yourself unto your husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.” (Ephe. 5:33) “And the wife see that she reverence her husband.”
Abraham was revered by Sarah. Sarah called Abraham “Lord”. Therefore, the women were commanded to revere their husbands. Why? Because, there are wives who do not respect their husbands. Sometimes, the wife even shouts at her husband in the presence of other people. “Tulume, how shameless you are! You do not even want to help me in the household chores! Go home and cook rice.” She does not even consider that her husband was with his friends. Does that kind of woman have any respect for her husband?
A woman who respects her husband will not confront him in the presence of other people. There was a woman who heard that her husband was womanizing. So, she looked for him. She found him with other bystanders. But she did not make a scene right there and then. In fact, she courteously excused herself to everybody. She told them, “Dear, one moment please. Please, excuse us. We will just have to talk about an important matter.” The husband asked, “What is it?” She answered, “Come, we will talk about it at home.”
When they reached home, she pinched him hard, and said, “How dare you womanize!”
I admire that woman because she was able to control her emotion. She expressed it only when they have reached home.
The women were commanded to revere their husbands. You must respect your husband. You must not divulge to other people the things that your husband keeps. Do not tell anyone that he has ringworm in his buttocks. There are women who are like that. They do not hesitate telling other people that their husband has a body odor. Bear in mind that, even he has body odor, you must learn to accept him for what he is. Do not think that just because he has a body odor, you could already flirt with other men. No! Instead, you have to do something about his body odor. You will never be saved if you flirt with other men simply because your husband has a body odor. You will go to hell; you will not be saved. Find a remedy to his body odor. You buy him alum. Apply it in his armpit after he has taken a bath, and you’ll see, he’ll never smell bad the whole day. There are lots of remedies to it. That is the best thing that you can do. He is already your husband. Why don’t you just sing,
“You’re my everything
Everything I need
You’re the song I sing
And the book I read
You’re a way beyond belief
I just make it brief
You’re my winter, summer,
spring, my everything.”
Even if he has a body odor, you can no longer return him to his parents. That is, if you want to be saved. Is that true, or not? Do not fool around; do not go with other men. You will not be saved if you do that. The soul of a man is very important. In this world, you are already considered fortunate if you live up to 80, or 90 years. Do you think we still reach that age? Nowadays, there are people who die at the age of 31. Today, the life span of a man is much shorter.
Let’s say you lived in this world for 100 years. Let’s say that you died after 100 years. Are you not afraid that your soul that, should you go wrong, your soul will experience eternal punishment? That is why we should prepare. A wise man prepares, not only for the present, but also for the future. He is taking into consideration not only the present but also of what is yet to come. There are many challenges that await him in the future, and he is preparing for those.
Sisters, do you want to be worthy in the eyes of God? Do not forget the fundamental doctrines taught to you. Be modest in your manners … in the way you dress up … in dealing with other people. Also, submit yourself, in full subjection, to your husband. And lastly, revere your husband, and keep on doing good things all the days of your life.
we are going to study how a woman can become of God. God has a way of making all of us become of God, regardless of whether, or not, you are a woman, a t-bird, a lesbian, or a what ever. But most especially, the ones being referred to in our topic are the married women. God enumerated the ways on how, even the most wicked persons on earth can be converted and be made worthy in the eyes of God. That is what Acts 26:18 says:
“To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God …”
The only thing that a person must do is, to open his eyes so that, from darkness, he could turn to light, and “from the power of Satan unto the power of God.” In other words, anybody who is in the power of Satan can be delivered and be brought to God by following the requirement that St. Paul mentioned. And that is, to open one’s eyes. But, why must a person open his eyes? II Cor. 4:4 says, “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not . . .”
Satan, whom the Bible calls as “the god of this world”, is blinding the minds of the believers and the faithful. And once you have been blinded, you now become helpless. You cannot see the light anymore. No amount of spotlight can make you see because you are already blind. But if you are not blind, even if you close your eyes, you could still, somehow, have a glimpse of the light. Unlike if you are already blind, even if a high-voltage bulb is placed before you, your eyes will not react at all. That is what the devil does. He is blinding our minds for us not to see the light, and for us to depart from God.
Let us read once again what II Cor. 4:4 says,
“In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
Of course, it is not the literal eyes that Satan is blinding, but the minds of the people. A blind mind is worse than being void of sight. You will never understand anything good anymore because your mind has been blinded. How will you regard a father who rapes his daughter? Is he blind, or not? He is blind because, if his mind is enlightened, he will never do that. No father, in his right mind, will ever rape his daughter. A father could afford to rape his daughter because his mind has been blinded.
And who made him blind? The god of this world, or Satan, blinded him. The mind of the believers is being blinded, “lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” That is what St. Paul said.
That is why, if you have been blinded, you are now completely under the power of Satan. But God has a way. That is what Acts 26:18 says: “To open their eyes …”
Why must their eyes be opened? . . . because they have been blinded by the devil. There are people who are blinded by money. For them, when it comes to money, nothing else should matter, not even blood relationships. For them, business is business. And being relatives should not get in the way.
I think, that is foolishness! Whenever I get engaged in business, I always consider my relatives, and my brethren in God. We must exercise consideration, and the foremost of which is, consideration as Christians. But, undoubtedly, there are, indeed, people who have been blinded by money.
Also, there are men, whose eyes are blinded by the physical beauty of women. There are men who are willing to abandon their wives and children in favor of another woman. “If you will only go with me, I am ready to leave my wife.” This woman, on the other hand, will deliberately entice the man further. If I were a woman, I will never go with that man. Why? She must realize that, if this man could afford to leave his wife and children for the sake of another woman, the more he could afford to do it to her! He will surely abandon her, too, because he has been “blinded”.
There are a lot of other things that blind people. There are people who are blinded by money; there are people who are blinded by honor; there are people who are blinded by power. The devil is employing a lot of things in his desire to blind man. He will urge you to cheat, or kill your opponents during elections, for you to stay in power.
Man can be blinded by so many things; the devil uses many things to blind men. And once you have been blinded, you will now depart from God. You will now be under the power of the devil. Nevertheless, there are still ways by which a man, who has been under the power of the devil, could still be led back to God.
God, is a loving God. He wants all of us to be saved. And should we not be saved, it would be due to our stubbornness already, inasmuch as God has done all the measures for Him to win back your souls and to lead you to the path leading to salvation. There is always a way by which a man can be redeemed. And if a man could not be redeemed, he would be condemned. And should that happen, it is no longer God’s fault, but ours.
The topic that we have studied dealt with marriage that is in accordance to the will of God. And you have fully seen the traits of a woman that is of God. But there are women who are not of God. You see, there are only two kinds of people on earth. It is either you are of God, or against God. What John 8:47,44 says is clear: “He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.” Whose are they? (44) “Ye are of your father the devil …”
Therefore, if you are not of God, “you are of your father, the devil”. However, if we are under the power of the devil right now, we must not lose hope. Do not allow yourself to totally succumb to sinfulness. There is still a way. For you to be of God, your eyes must be opened first. And what could open your eyes? What else, but the word of God! That is the “light” that could open your eyes and your minds.
Now, which woman is not of God? … the infidel! It is she who, soon after her husband turns his back, already flirts with other men. There are women who are like that. A woman that is not of
God is heartless, unfaithful to her husband, and lazy, such that, despite the fact that it is already noon, she has not risen from bed yet. She remains lying in bed while hers husband is the one doing the laundry. And when mealtime comes, the food must still be brought inside her room. Otherwise, she will yell at her husband, “Hurry up, Kulas! I am already hungry!” Question: is there still a possibility for that kind of woman to become of God? We will just do a little “repair”. She has to undergo a little repair. And if a woman would submit herself for a repair, she must first learn how to be tactful in her speech. She must learn how to hold her tongue, because there are tongues, which are tactless. At the same time, she must also polish and refine her manners.
And for us to understand what God wants us to do, we are going to study all of them one by one. First of all, let us find out how a woman can be of God. Let us read II Tim. 3:17, “That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”
The Bible said, “That a man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” Therefore, for anyone to become of God, he ought to be taught of all the good works. That is why, for a man and woman to be of God, they have to be taught of all the good works. Now, let us ask the Bible. What are the good works that a woman must do so that she becomes of God?
This is what Pet. 3:2-6 says:
“While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; But let it be the hidden man of the heart in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord: whose daughters are ye, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.”
This is a rather lengthy pronouncement coming from St. Peter. And I want to discuss this with you point by point. The Bible said, “While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing gold, or of putting on of apparel; But let it be the hidden man of the heart in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quick spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord: whose daughters are ye, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.”
What is the Scripture trying to tell us? Let us take it one by one. “While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.” First and foremost, a woman must be chaste and demure. At the same time, she must have fear in her heart. You see, there are women who dress up demurely, but their behavior is coquettish. My grandmother used to call those kind of women “kiri na, landi pa” (not only a flirt but also a coquette). Her first name is “Kiri na” (flirt) and her surname is “Landi pa” (coquette).
There are women who dress themselves up with modesty but they act like flirts and coquettes. During our time, those kinds of women were considered whores and harlots.
The primary qualification that God wants a woman to possess is modesty, or demureness. What do demure and modest manners mean? It means that a woman acts with refinement and finesse. She is not vulgar; she is demure, and not coquettish. A demure woman had been epitomized by Maria Clara, whose hands could not even be touched by other men. No touch! And if ever her hands had been touched by a man, she would readily burst into tears and ask the man to marry her because he had disgraced her by touching her hands.
That is why, in the past, whenever a man wants to marry a woman, do you know what he would be asking for? He would be asking for the “hand” of the woman. When I was young, I didn’t understand yet the meaning of that idiomatic expression. I was wondering, “why was he asking for her hand? What would he do with her hands?” You see, that idiomatic expression developed because, in the past, if a woman’s hand had been touched by a man, it was tantamount to having disgraced her. So, the man ought to marry her … because, then, the women were modest and demure. Unlike today when a man can touch a woman any where. And sometimes, he does not only touch her! No wonder, nowadays, there are many unwed mothers. They get engaged in pre-marital relationships. And that is because, they have set aside the chastity and the modesty that God is asking for. And once chastity and modesty are gone, the outcome is not good.
For example, I, being a Christian, must not marry a woman who is not demure and modest. If the woman that you are going to marry lacks modesty and demureness, I am sure, before your wedding day comes, she has already flirted with other men. Just come to think of it. You are going to marry her; you are going to kiss her in the altar, but without your knowledge, she had already been kissed by four different men. They had kissed her ahead of you. That is not in conformity with what the Bible teaches. A woman should be demure and modest. A woman’s honor and reputation will surely be preserved if only she observes chastity and modesty.
Let us read Deut. 22:13-21,
“If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her. And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel’s virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel’s father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her; And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter’s virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him. And they shall amerce him in a hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel.”
But what if she was no longer a virgin?
(20-21) “But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die.”
In Israel, if a woman deceives her would-be husband by telling him that she is still a virgin, but proven otherwise, she would be stoned to death. That was in Israel, but not among the Christians. I am just trying to tell you that a woman should safeguard her honor, considering the essence of what the Bible said. In fact, in Israel, a man should no longer take a woman to be his wife if he already knew that she was no longer a virgin.
Let us read Lev. 21:13-14. “And he shall take a wife in her virginity. A widow, or a divorced woman, or profane, or a harlot, these shall he not take …”
If you are a servant of God, you are prohibited from taking a harlot as your wife; neither a profane nor a widow. Therefore, a woman must take care of her honor. And a woman who is demure and modest must safeguard her chastity.
Others might ask, “Bro. Eli, how is that now? I did not know this doctrine before!” Of course, we can never do anything anymore if you have already lost your chastity, despite the fact you are not yet married. What else can we do? We can no longer restore it. But, just the same, I am teaching you this just in case some of you have still maintained their chastity. It would be better if you will safeguard your reputation as a damsel, or maid. But, if you have gotten married … if you have committed some bad things in the eyes of God, there is still a way by which we can make up for all of those, and eventually, become Christians. God does not readily cast off people. If you committed those things out of your ignorance of God’s teachings, you could always repent, and God would grant you forgiveness. This is the reason why we are trying to trace, from the Bible, how a woman may become a woman of God. And we have learned that, for a woman to be of God, she must be chaste and modest. But if you are not one, you may start trying to be one. It is a must that a woman be demure and modest.
It is always nice to see women whose manners are modest and demure. Have you seen a woman claims to be demure but wears a micro mini? Once a woman wearing a micro mini dress sits down, the tendency is for her dress to be pulled upward, thereby, exposing her thighs. And when her thighs are bared, she now tries very hard to pull her dress downward. But if we will just be honest about it, isn’t it that her main intention for wearing a micro mini is to display her thighs? So why bother to pull the dress lower? Can we consider that woman as demure? I don’t think so. If she is, she will not wear a micro mini dress.
Actually, there are many women, (I am not generalizing), who dress up that way in order to be noticed. Are you agreeable to that? There was one woman who was trying to justify herself. She said that, the reason why she was trying to look attractive is because of her husband. Is that true? You are trying to look good because of your husband? If that is the case, I told her that if her husband comes home by 6 PM, then, she should take a bath by 5:30. Start fixing yourself very well because he is coming home at 6. That is, if it were true that you are trying to look attractive because of your husband.
But, why is it that you fix yourself the moment that your husband leaves the house? Did you fix yourself for your husband? No! . . . because he is not there to appreciate your beauty! The real reason why you want to look good is because you want to attract the attention of other men! You have a different motive!
Let us read the word of God who knows what’s in the hearts of men. Why do you want to look beautiful? Let us read Jer. 4:30,
“And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson …”
This is what a woman, who wants to be noticed, does. It does not really mean that since she is wearing crimson red, she will already be noticed. In other words, she still has to do something. Let us continue reading. “… though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting …”
She would even paint her face. According to the Bible, there are women who want to look good by painting their eyes. Painting one’s eyes was already practiced in the past. And since we are living in the modern times, women even apply glitters in their eyelids. That is why, if you would see them in the dark, with their heavily painted eyes, you would be frightened. That is not how an ideal woman looks like. I prefer a woman who has very little adornment.
There are women who would even apply foundation. If they don’t like their eyebrows, they pluck it, even if the whole process is painful. You would see how their faces get distorted because of pain, but they try to bear it. On the other hand, there are also women who, totally, do not like what God had given them. Please, excuse me, but I am just telling the truth. There are those do not like what God gave them, so they shave their brows. But the problem is, when she drew another pair of eyebrows, she placed them higher than where they should be. That is why, if you are the shy type, you will never court her because her eyes has intimidated you. She looks very arrogant with her high brows.
She adorns herself with gold, and she paints her eyes. Why? Let us continue. “… in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee.”
The reason why there are women who want to look beautiful is because of her lovers, or wooers. A woman wants to have as many suitors. Are you aware of it, gentlemen? I know that because I had read it from the Bible. The more suitors a woman has, the more she likes it. Who among you here do not want being courted? No woman does not want to be courted. I am not saying that all women are like that, but most of them want to be courted. That is why a woman feels desperate when nobody is courting her. So, sometimes she just grabs any man who comes along. There are women who are like that.
Is there any verse in the Bible that would prove that, there are times that woman wants to look beautiful for her lover? Let us read Isa. 3:16. “… Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes …”
They walk with their wanton eyes; they were proud women. “… walking and mincing as they go …”
Their hips sway from left to right while walking, as though they were grinders. Let us continue. “…“And making a tinkling with her feet.”
She deliberately makes a tinkling sound with her feet in order to be noticed.
“Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion.”
It had happened in Israel before. God cursed the women because of their coquettish manners. Imagine that? She would even look wantonly while walking. She looked very proud as she tried to produce a tinkling sound with her feet. That only means that she was really trying to entice, or lure, the men for them to follow her. This is what Hosea 2:13 says. “And I will visit upon her the days of Baalim, wherein she burned incense to them, and she decked herself with her earrings and her jewels, and she went after her lovers.”
She was acting that way because she was looking for lovers. Therefore, if it is true that you are making yourself beautiful because of your husband, then, you should beautify yourself only when he is about to arrive home. Wear a perfume when he is about to come. But if you will behave like a coquette, other men will court you. Don’t tell me that married women are no longer courted! There are married women who still want to be courted. Am I right?
One of God’s doctrines for women is to observe modesty and demureness. However, is modesty, or demureness, limited only to manners and behavior? I Tim. 2:9 says, “In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel …”
What does modest apparel mean? Let us continue reading. “… with shamefacedness and sobriety …”
What does shamefacedness mean? I will give you a hint. A popular cliché says, “no modest maiden could be too hard-hearted to a patient suppliant.” A maiden is modest like the Virgin Mary. Have you seen an illustration of Mary wherein she is wearing a micro mini, or a dress with plunging neckline? Have you seen her wearing a long skirt whose slit is up to her thighs?
I once saw a beautiful woman, and she was wearing a very long dress. At first glance, I got impressed by her long dress, but when she walked, half of her thighs were being exposed through the slit in her skirt. Good that she had a nice pair of legs. But, what if her legs are laden with marks of scars as big as coins? Some women adopt the latest fashion even if the style of the dress does not fit her body and her complexion. In the Bible, we were told that God wants the woman to be modest, not only in her behavior but also in her manner of dressing.
We could read from the Bible that the women were being admonished to adorn themselves in “modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety.” This means that a woman should dress up with decency; she must wear modest apparel. And if a woman acts modestly … if she wears modest apparel, nobody will be tempted to rape her. Will she still be raped?
Do you want to be of God? First, you must act modestly; second, you must wear modest apparel. What else? Let us read II Tim. 2:11. This is what it says: “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.”
First and foremost, it says, the women must learn to be silent. Why was she told to learn to keep quiet? It is because a lot of women are noisy, especially the married ones. As early as 5, or 6, in the morning she is already talking. “You did not even wash the plates that you used last night! How shameless you are! Kulas, see how lazy your children are? You all depend on me only. I work in the market all day and … blah …blah …! She talks endlessly … until midnight. Her husband was already half-asleep, but still, she was nagging him. “Why don’t you look for a job? You are very lazy! You are shameless! You let me carry all the burdens!"” She never stopped from talking. Until her husband got fed up. So, her warned her, "Will you stop talking, or not?” But she kept on talking, so he gave her a punch. She was knocked down. But when she woke up, she started talking again. And louder, this time.
This is the reason why, one of the commandments of God to women says, “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.” Why was she asked to be silent? Let us read what Prov. 9:13 says, “A foolish woman is clamorous.”
The Bible considers a clamorous, or talkative, woman foolish. Just try to thinks about it my fellowmen. Who among you are clamorous? According to the Bible, a foolish woman is clamorous. Can anything be gained out of a woman’s talkativeness? Let us read Prov. 14:23. “In all labour there is profit; but the talk of the lips tendeth only to penury.”
Every labor is profitable, but not can be gained out of a talkative mouth. If you are a woman, does it profit you to talk a lot? There was a tactless woman who, after quarreling with her husband, divulged to her neighbors the secrets that her husband keeps, including his ringworm. A talkative woman would expose your entire being to other people.
Therefore, if you are courting a woman, try to observe her closely. If she is wide-mouthed, she will surely bring you lots of troubles.
A man thinks that he is heading for a peaceful life if he is going get married. What peace are you talking about? Will you ever find peace with a very talkative wife? Instead of peace, you are heading for a troublesome life. Let us read Prov. 27:15. “A continual dropping in a very rainy day …”
On a rainy day, rain water pours on your roof. What about it? “… and a contentious woman are alike.”
Rainwater and a contentious woman are alike. The continuous pouring of rainwater through the leaks of the roof is annoying. Sometimes, you are also being sprinkled with water, so you put a pail right where the drops fall. But even if you do that, you still couldn’t sleep because of the “plok-plok” sound they produce.
In the past, the roof of our house used to have leaks. So, each time that it would rain, we would put a pail right where the leaking water fell. There was a time when I really has a sleepless night because I was distracted by the sound that the drops of water produced. It was as if, I was counting each drop that fell. And is where a talkative and contentious woman had been compared. God said (Prov. 21:9), “It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house.”
Of what use is a big house if you are living there with a brawling woman? It is better to live in a corner of the housetop rather than live in a big house with a brawling and contentious woman. Every day you will sin; every day you’ll be annoyed. You’ll possibly end up in hell. That is why God’s decision is to dwell in the wilderness instead. (Prov. 21:19) “It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.”
It is better to dwell in the wilderness than to live with a contentious and an angry woman. In that case, there remains the possibility that you might still be saved and be worthy of God. And in order to reform a contentious and angry woman, this is what the Bible says (I Tim. 2:11), “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.”
A woman must be under the subjection of her husband. A woman was never given the right to be independent. God had placed the woman under the authority of a man. That is why, one of the doctrines that a married woman must follow is, she must submit herself to the subjection of her husband. How must she submit herself? Let us read Ephe. 5:24, “Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their husbands in every thing.”
Sisters, are you ready to be worthy in the eyes of God? Are you willing to be under the subjection of your husbands? Submit yourself to him completely. For instance, if your husband wants you to dress up conservatively, then, try to dress yourself up conservatively. If your husband does not want you to wear brightly colored dresses, then, do not wear brightly colored dresses. If your husband does not want you to gossip and chat with your neighbors, then, do not do so. Let’s face it, there are really women who never stop from talking. That is the reason why God commanded them “to learn in silence with all subjection”. She must submit herself, with full subjection, to her husband. That is why, in the Church, which the Bible speaks of, there are no domineering wives.
A man who is under the dominion of his wife will never be saved. He will sure be damned in hell, because he did the opposite of what God had commanded. What God said was that, the woman must be under the authority of the man. Just consider why Eve ate the forbidden fruit. … because Adam was not around then. She did not consult Adam first before making a decision. When Eve ate the fruit, she did it out of her own will; she did not consult her husband.
And for a family to live harmoniously, the wife must learn to submit herself to her husband. If you want to buy a refrigerator, consult your husband first. In the first place, he is the breadwinner. If he gives his consent, then, go ahead. You may buy one. If that is the case, do you think they will still quarrel? Not anymore, because he has given her his consent. The husband is the head in the household; he is the president. If the president has approved something, the vice president also approves it. Who is the president? Ephe. 5:23, “For the husband is the head of the wife.”
The husband is the head of his wife. Therefore, if you are the husband, but you are just the vice president in the house, that means, you do not believe in God. In a marital relationship, the husband is the head, and his wife must be under his subjection. And if a wife submits herself under the subjection of her husband, there will never be any quarrel between the two of them. If you want visit your parents, you seek for the permission of your husband. If he consents, even if you go home late, he will not be angry with you. Who knows, he might even fetch you there. Because he loves you, and because you understand each other, he might even fetch you from your parents’ house.
Just consider the trains. Trains will not collide and clash against each other so long as they stick to their respective rails, even if one of them gets out of order. A husband and a wife have their respective rails to tread. And as long as they stick to their own rails, everything will run smoothly; no accidents will happen. But why do accidents happen? Why are some children neglected? Why do they turn out to be drug addicts? Why do some children become gamblers and bystanders? Why do they loiter in the streets? Why? … because both the husband and the wife had gone off the track. Especially so today when some couples just beget children without proper planning. “Dear, it’s been two months since my last menstruation.” Then, her mother-in-law asked how many children do they already have. She said 12, and she is conceiving for the 13th. And because of that, she was ascribing the blame to Kulas, her husband. But Kulas ascribed the blame on her, saying that she liked it too. That is the usual story. And at my age, I have witnessed similar situations.
There are also parents who would even give justification for their negligence. They would reason out that, it is better that they are many because, many will be working for their livelihood. There are really parents who bear children just to have somebody to work in their behalf. That is not good.
Personally, I believe that, loving parents normally prepare for their child even before he is born. They buy the baby a crib, diapers, etc. Although, nowadays, diapers are no longer a problem because of the availability of disposable diapers. But in the past, long before the baby is born, the expecting mother already prepares the diapers. She would even embroider them with the word “baby”. The parents also plan for their child’s future. “When she grows up, we would send her to St. Agnes, or St. Mary. They also plan for the course that they want their child to pursue. That is what I mean by “planning”.
There are also husbands would run their hands on the tummy of their pregnant wives. They would talk to the baby inside, “When are you going to come out? I hope you are a girl.” And the reason they want a girl is, for her to work in a cabaret when she grows up. That is wrong. A child must be loved; he/she must not be made a laborer.
If we are going to live in accordance to the laws being spoken in the Bible, the wife must submit herself to her husband. The husband, on the other hand, is under the authority of Christ. He must live by the doctrines of God; he must not cheat his wife. That is the next topic that we are going to study. We will try to find out the qualities of a man to whom the woman must submit herself.
But always bear in mind, sisters, for a woman not to go wrong, she must abide by the doctrines of God. She must put herself under the subjection of her husband. (Next time, we are going to study the kind of husband a man should be.)
At this point, let us focus our discussion on the women. First of all, the Bible admonished the woman to be modest, both in her ways and in her manner of dressing. She must not be contentious and talkative. What else? Col. 3:18 gives the commandment for women. “Wives, submit yourself unto your husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.” (Ephe. 5:33) “And the wife see that she reverence her husband.”
Abraham was revered by Sarah. Sarah called Abraham “Lord”. Therefore, the women were commanded to revere their husbands. Why? Because, there are wives who do not respect their husbands. Sometimes, the wife even shouts at her husband in the presence of other people. “Tulume, how shameless you are! You do not even want to help me in the household chores! Go home and cook rice.” She does not even consider that her husband was with his friends. Does that kind of woman have any respect for her husband?
A woman who respects her husband will not confront him in the presence of other people. There was a woman who heard that her husband was womanizing. So, she looked for him. She found him with other bystanders. But she did not make a scene right there and then. In fact, she courteously excused herself to everybody. She told them, “Dear, one moment please. Please, excuse us. We will just have to talk about an important matter.” The husband asked, “What is it?” She answered, “Come, we will talk about it at home.”
When they reached home, she pinched him hard, and said, “How dare you womanize!”
I admire that woman because she was able to control her emotion. She expressed it only when they have reached home.
The women were commanded to revere their husbands. You must respect your husband. You must not divulge to other people the things that your husband keeps. Do not tell anyone that he has ringworm in his buttocks. There are women who are like that. They do not hesitate telling other people that their husband has a body odor. Bear in mind that, even he has body odor, you must learn to accept him for what he is. Do not think that just because he has a body odor, you could already flirt with other men. No! Instead, you have to do something about his body odor. You will never be saved if you flirt with other men simply because your husband has a body odor. You will go to hell; you will not be saved. Find a remedy to his body odor. You buy him alum. Apply it in his armpit after he has taken a bath, and you’ll see, he’ll never smell bad the whole day. There are lots of remedies to it. That is the best thing that you can do. He is already your husband. Why don’t you just sing,
“You’re my everything
Everything I need
You’re the song I sing
And the book I read
You’re a way beyond belief
I just make it brief
You’re my winter, summer,
spring, my everything.”
Even if he has a body odor, you can no longer return him to his parents. That is, if you want to be saved. Is that true, or not? Do not fool around; do not go with other men. You will not be saved if you do that. The soul of a man is very important. In this world, you are already considered fortunate if you live up to 80, or 90 years. Do you think we still reach that age? Nowadays, there are people who die at the age of 31. Today, the life span of a man is much shorter.
Let’s say you lived in this world for 100 years. Let’s say that you died after 100 years. Are you not afraid that your soul that, should you go wrong, your soul will experience eternal punishment? That is why we should prepare. A wise man prepares, not only for the present, but also for the future. He is taking into consideration not only the present but also of what is yet to come. There are many challenges that await him in the future, and he is preparing for those.
Sisters, do you want to be worthy in the eyes of God? Do not forget the fundamental doctrines taught to you. Be modest in your manners … in the way you dress up … in dealing with other people. Also, submit yourself, in full subjection, to your husband. And lastly, revere your husband, and keep on doing good things all the days of your life.
Mon May 09, 2005 1:40 pm
That is definitely the longest post in NLSC history... even if I'm too new here to know....
If anyone read all that he'll be 1 year older by the time he finishes...
If anyone read all that he'll be 1 year older by the time he finishes...
Mon May 09, 2005 3:28 pm
don't tell me reading the bible will make you older? since it is a hell lot longer than what was written above 
Mon May 09, 2005 3:53 pm
don't tell me reading the bible will make you older? since it is a hell lot longer than what was written above
Correct. That's why I don't read the bible...
Mon May 09, 2005 4:21 pm
but you read em thick lawyer books and all those legal stuff...hehehe
no wonder you dont believe in God nor God's words....because you haven't experience them yet....if you have experiecned them yet maybe from a pastor who just quote a few lines.....then readily ask for your money/contributions and all.......anyways maybe someday DW maybe someday
no wonder you dont believe in God nor God's words....because you haven't experience them yet....if you have experiecned them yet maybe from a pastor who just quote a few lines.....then readily ask for your money/contributions and all.......anyways maybe someday DW maybe someday
Mon May 09, 2005 4:38 pm
God's words... through the bible...
Nah, if god wanted me he'd convince me otherwise...
Nah, if god wanted me he'd convince me otherwise...
Mon May 09, 2005 4:46 pm
well he convinced you to do good haven't He? 
Mon May 09, 2005 4:51 pm
well he convinced you to do good haven't He?
Nope. I convinced myself on that one...
Mon May 09, 2005 4:57 pm
yes you did..........not......
it's what you think you did but you never actually did what you think you did cause you did thought you did it but actually you didn't did what you think you thought you did by your own.......sheeeewy that was confusing?
anyways God works His way to strange things.......
"all good things are from God.....for He is Holy"
so if you did good, now you know where it came from.......
it's what you think you did but you never actually did what you think you did cause you did thought you did it but actually you didn't did what you think you thought you did by your own.......sheeeewy that was confusing?
anyways God works His way to strange things.......
"all good things are from God.....for He is Holy"
so if you did good, now you know where it came from.......
Mon May 09, 2005 5:23 pm
so if you did good, now you know where it came from.......
My philosophy is this simple: "Who gives a rat's ass about where it came from... It's good, and that's all that matters" . Blunt, but true.
Tue May 10, 2005 10:54 pm
That's a good lesson on women + family + marriage. I'm only halfway through it, but I'll finish it today or tomorrow because there's a ton of stuff I didn't know in there. Nice, COOLmac, hopefully it helps some people
What about getting all the facts, getting to the bottom of things, and finding out as much as possible- aren't these a necessary part of being a lawyer? If it's good enough for your job, why not for you?
Gen. DWeaver99027 wrote:My philosophy is this simple: "Who gives a rat's ass about where it came from... It's good, and that's all that matters" . Blunt, but true.
What about getting all the facts, getting to the bottom of things, and finding out as much as possible- aren't these a necessary part of being a lawyer? If it's good enough for your job, why not for you?
Wed May 11, 2005 11:04 am
good for you.....atleast someone has a time skimming down the information in there.....i talk about a few philosophy there myself here's the example:
and to DW.since you have lesser time to browse the bible..why not take a few minutes skimming the proverbs or the psalms.......these two doesn't take much time to read......for this week i'll be posting a few proverbs that will help your life ok? lets start with a proverb for the day:
“A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:” (Proverbs 1:5)
see if you are a wise man you are ready to hear and learn......so better start learning ok? i didn't used old king james there for you so you would appreciate it better
see you later
It had happened in Israel before. God cursed the women because of their coquettish manners. Imagine that? She would even look wantonly while walking. She looked very proud as she tried to produce a tinkling sound with her feet. That only means that she was really trying to entice, or lure, the men for them to follow her. This is what Hosea 2:13 says. “And I will visit upon her the days of Baalim, wherein she burned incense to them, and she decked herself with her earrings and her jewels, and she went after her lovers.”
She was acting that way because she was looking for lovers. Therefore, if it is true that you are making yourself beautiful because of your husband, then, you should beautify yourself only when he is about to arrive home. Wear a perfume when he is about to come. But if you will behave like a coquette, other men will court you. Don’t tell me that married women are no longer courted! There are married women who still want to be courted. Am I right?
and to DW.since you have lesser time to browse the bible..why not take a few minutes skimming the proverbs or the psalms.......these two doesn't take much time to read......for this week i'll be posting a few proverbs that will help your life ok? lets start with a proverb for the day:
“A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:” (Proverbs 1:5)
see if you are a wise man you are ready to hear and learn......so better start learning ok? i didn't used old king james there for you so you would appreciate it better
see you later
Wed May 11, 2005 4:00 pm
hello once again...i got something for you guys...here is something i would like to share well all about ants....you may say WTF? but hey even God knows that His creations are that great, sometimes He tends to bring out the best of everything else by letting them work harmony for each other so lets start.,......i am still open for debates but since noone has came out in the open debating i'll just take my time in filling you guys in
"He who deals with a lazy hand becomes poor; but the hand of the hard worker makes rich." PROVERBS 10:4
here God speaks of the one who is lazy.........if your hand is lazy you have a tendency to become poor in life(note tendency).....but the hand of the hard worker makes rich......
now if you ask, am i that lazy? really? God has an answer......check this out
Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise: PROVERBS 6:6
God said that look unto the ants you lazy bone, check out his ways and learn from them.......we may ask again why God what's there in the ants?
He will continue to answer by:
Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler , Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest. PROVERBS 6:7-8
very interesting indeed, the bible is right scientifically here......note that the basic ants never had a leader that giudes them what to do, E.G. gathering food and bio materials "no guide, no overseer or ruler.......yet in its own way they continue to do thier works....they have their own meat in the summer and yes...they harvest?
actually in science it is proven that ants have a relationship with fungus....they gather the leafs/food/etc materials then returns this to thier colony and then grow fungus which in turn become their individual harvested food.....
another thing i noticed about the ants.......remember God said to observe the ways of the ants
is i never saw a sleeping ant in my entire life......each time we humans felt tired we sit down and relax,even sleep during work.......but the ants never stop working until the task is down......and have you seen an ant starved to death? hell no.......the ants always have food in their colony.....we humans always have the excuse to make our works easier like inventing tools, inventing cofee breaks and many other excuses during the course of the day and when we get hungry and not satisfied in life we tend to complain to the government and all.....the ants never do.....
also the ants never took time to play or talk with their pals like we humans like to do.....if you see an ant army lining up for food i can see them talking a bit then going in their own ways, for me it could be just a breif hello and good bye...but actually in science it is their signal that the food is still there.....when i took out the food the ants continue to brush off with thier antennas and then leave.....this is also one characteristics why the ants have been very succesful in their life......they love to SHARE.......not one ant wishes to have the food for himself alone.......if a single unit of ant sees a food he'll run back and tell others about it.......if this is human nature, once a human stumbles upon gold ,all he can think of is getting rich for himself.......
in conclusion God did a great of advice here..... for the open minded......now where on this statements i made is debateable enough?
"He who deals with a lazy hand becomes poor; but the hand of the hard worker makes rich." PROVERBS 10:4
here God speaks of the one who is lazy.........if your hand is lazy you have a tendency to become poor in life(note tendency).....but the hand of the hard worker makes rich......
now if you ask, am i that lazy? really? God has an answer......check this out
Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise: PROVERBS 6:6
God said that look unto the ants you lazy bone, check out his ways and learn from them.......we may ask again why God what's there in the ants?
He will continue to answer by:
Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler , Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest. PROVERBS 6:7-8
very interesting indeed, the bible is right scientifically here......note that the basic ants never had a leader that giudes them what to do, E.G. gathering food and bio materials "no guide, no overseer or ruler.......yet in its own way they continue to do thier works....they have their own meat in the summer and yes...they harvest?
actually in science it is proven that ants have a relationship with fungus....they gather the leafs/food/etc materials then returns this to thier colony and then grow fungus which in turn become their individual harvested food.....
another thing i noticed about the ants.......remember God said to observe the ways of the ants
is i never saw a sleeping ant in my entire life......each time we humans felt tired we sit down and relax,even sleep during work.......but the ants never stop working until the task is down......and have you seen an ant starved to death? hell no.......the ants always have food in their colony.....we humans always have the excuse to make our works easier like inventing tools, inventing cofee breaks and many other excuses during the course of the day and when we get hungry and not satisfied in life we tend to complain to the government and all.....the ants never do.....
also the ants never took time to play or talk with their pals like we humans like to do.....if you see an ant army lining up for food i can see them talking a bit then going in their own ways, for me it could be just a breif hello and good bye...but actually in science it is their signal that the food is still there.....when i took out the food the ants continue to brush off with thier antennas and then leave.....this is also one characteristics why the ants have been very succesful in their life......they love to SHARE.......not one ant wishes to have the food for himself alone.......if a single unit of ant sees a food he'll run back and tell others about it.......if this is human nature, once a human stumbles upon gold ,all he can think of is getting rich for himself.......
in conclusion God did a great of advice here..... for the open minded......now where on this statements i made is debateable enough?
Wed May 11, 2005 9:45 pm
What about getting all the facts, getting to the bottom of things, and finding out as much as possible- aren't these a necessary part of being a lawyer? If it's good enough for your job, why not for you?
A lawyers' sole purpose is to present his case as finely as possible and WIN. What you describe is one way to do it, and the most common one. There are cases though that it is not enough or even necessary.
Believe me, I like reading and learning new things, but not getting moral lessons, especially ones that I am already familiar with. Every proverb C-mac posts I have experienced in my life and know understand, I don't need to read it again to comprehend.
Wed May 11, 2005 10:42 pm
Then I'm impressed with how you're not turned off by the Biblical talk, and continue to view and contribute to this thread, despite not believing in God...if you stick around long enough I'm sure that there will be some lessons which will teach you new things, because the Bible is HUGE and full of them...good going Mr. Dweaver.
As far as ants go, it's amazing how much there is to learn from so small a thing. And COOLmac- do you notice that many of the Bible's proverbs/lessons involve animals and nature? A great example is this clip of a sermon of Jesus:
As far as ants go, it's amazing how much there is to learn from so small a thing.
And COOLmac- do you notice that many of the Bible's proverbs/lessons involve animals and nature? A great example is this clip of a sermon of Jesus:
"No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. 25 "Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you shall eat or what you shall drink, nor about your body, what you shall put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 And which of you by being anxious can add one cubit to his span of life? 28 And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they neither toil nor spin; 29 yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O men of little faith? 31 Therefore do not be anxious, saying, `What shall we eat?' or `What shall we drink?' or `What shall we wear?' 32 For the Gentiles seek all these things; and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things shall be yours as well. 34 "Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Let the day's own trouble be sufficient for the day.
Thu May 12, 2005 11:09 am
good obeservation there.God always like to compare nature because he wants us to live harmonuosly with them.....if we often have problems in life we tend to look at other poeple and how they would handle things, but we often mislook nature, where everything is simple and we can attain great knowledge from God's basic creation.....even Jesus always do parables with animals because he feels the essence of His teachings will be simplify and you can always relate with it..
to DW i'm very impressed he has been sticking around here.....i guess his thirst for good reading material hasn't die down....i know he likes what he reads here that's why he stuck around......anyways the proverbs are not there to make you realized what you lack in your life.....they are there to remind you of things you MIGHT forget: now unto our good proverbs for the day:
· “A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.” (Proverbs 14:16)
· “It is an honor for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling.” (Proverbs 20:3)
· “It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom.” (Proverbs 10:23)
once again i used the simplified english for easy comprehension.....3 of the proverbs are easily self explanatory.........it is a good comparison of a fool ad a wise man.......conflicts and mischief versus being calm and forgiving and cool
to DW i'm very impressed he has been sticking around here.....i guess his thirst for good reading material hasn't die down....i know he likes what he reads here that's why he stuck around......anyways the proverbs are not there to make you realized what you lack in your life.....they are there to remind you of things you MIGHT forget: now unto our good proverbs for the day:
· “A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.” (Proverbs 14:16)
· “It is an honor for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling.” (Proverbs 20:3)
· “It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom.” (Proverbs 10:23)
once again i used the simplified english for easy comprehension.....3 of the proverbs are easily self explanatory.........it is a good comparison of a fool ad a wise man.......conflicts and mischief versus being calm and forgiving and cool
Fri May 13, 2005 6:55 am
FYI- I'm going to be out of town till Tuesday, see everyone then...
Peace-
Peace-
Fri May 13, 2005 11:07 am
may the peace be with you
good this can be an i'll be away thread too huh?
back to proverbs for the day:
Proverbs 17:17, TLB. "A true friend is always loyal, and a brother is born to help in time of need."
loyalty is a good basis of friendship folks never lose it....
Proverbs 27:9-10, TLB. "Never abandon a friend—either yours or your father's. Then you won't need to go to a distant relative for help in your time of need."
but what is the worst scenario that you lose a friend?...this can apply to both guys and girls
Proverbs 16:28, NIV. "A gossip separates close friends.
but there is hope:
Proverbs 27:6, TLB. "Wounds from a friend are better than kisses from an enemy!"
hope you folks learn a little day by day
good this can be an i'll be away thread too huh?
back to proverbs for the day:
Proverbs 17:17, TLB. "A true friend is always loyal, and a brother is born to help in time of need."
loyalty is a good basis of friendship folks never lose it....
Proverbs 27:9-10, TLB. "Never abandon a friend—either yours or your father's. Then you won't need to go to a distant relative for help in your time of need."
but what is the worst scenario that you lose a friend?...this can apply to both guys and girls
Proverbs 16:28, NIV. "A gossip separates close friends.
but there is hope:
Proverbs 27:6, TLB. "Wounds from a friend are better than kisses from an enemy!"
hope you folks learn a little day by day
Tue May 17, 2005 12:26 pm
proverbs 23:21
" For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags."
the bible suggest that being a drunkard and a glutton can lead to poverty, and being lazy will clothe you with rags.......so true isn't it?
" For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags."
the bible suggest that being a drunkard and a glutton can lead to poverty, and being lazy will clothe you with rags.......so true isn't it?
Tue May 17, 2005 10:26 pm
About loyality, COOLmac-
I feel that loyality should be towards ideals and morals, not necessarily people. If your brother cheats on his wife, what do you do? Not say anything, because of your great "loyality" to your family?
Loyality should be towards righteousness, first and foremost.
I feel that loyality should be towards ideals and morals, not necessarily people. If your brother cheats on his wife, what do you do? Not say anything, because of your great "loyality" to your family?
Loyality should be towards righteousness, first and foremost.
Wed May 18, 2005 2:34 pm
mmm. you got a point there....many of us uses loyalty the wrong way...i for one example is loyal to my team here in the office, if the other department have something bad going we tend to voice out a lot and complain.but if we are in the midst of bad things ourselves we tend to keep it behind close doors.
so i guess being loyal has some sort of boundaries too isn't it? i'll be checking some of my old notes about this okay?
EDIT: do you guys wanna hear or read about my debate adventures? back in my college days? if so i'll be posting some of the exerpts soon. i just grab hold of my old cassette tapes so i'm going to stenograph some of my debates about the bible soon.....
and oh yeah welcome back mr.bullsfan...... too bad your team got knocked out.....did you happened to attend some of the games
so i guess being loyal has some sort of boundaries too isn't it? i'll be checking some of my old notes about this okay?
EDIT: do you guys wanna hear or read about my debate adventures? back in my college days? if so i'll be posting some of the exerpts soon. i just grab hold of my old cassette tapes so i'm going to stenograph some of my debates about the bible soon.....
and oh yeah welcome back mr.bullsfan...... too bad your team got knocked out.....did you happened to attend some of the games