BIBLICAL debates 2005

interesting stuff.well i'll be answering you guys soon.......so for the moment keep tight

well anyways since i have a connection now. i'll answer some of the questions raised in here.......(goes to show that when it comes to GOD you can't be on vacation LOL)

anyways ahh yes the existence of JESUS the CHRIST....
well about 5 years ago when i get hold of my first king james bible......there was a documentation at the end of that book about the history and existance of the real CHRIST......it states there taken from roman manuscripts that about 15 BC- 35 AD in the records........there was soemone named JESUS (heshua...in aramaic since there is no "J" letter) of Nazareth executed by the means of the CROSS(see to it that by hanging of the cross of the two robbers besides him wasn't the same as the NAILING which Jesus recieived)........and following these archives was the reason why he was executed....
blasphemy-------calling Himself as a God and being the son of GOD.
outrage rebellion by not denying the fact that He is the king of jews
and lastly by not observing sabbath.

these were archives and prove to the very minute detail that the man Jesus Christ exist.....if you ain't down with that......try google or got to the library and search for it.

as you can see here Jesus was killed by the poeple in His time because of the count He called himself the son of God.....they can't accept the fact that He was God.

Yeah, that's correct, I forgott. I once posted a GNR lyric there.

welcome mr.filip to the "FAITH thread" as i like to call it.
good to see an army man here once in a while.......

MATTHEW 7:22-23
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. "

why is this so?

PSALMS 102:17
" He will regard the prayer of the destitute, and not despise their prayer. "

oh that's why....so which side do you belong? it all depends unto you

MATTHEW 7:22-23
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. "

why is this so?

This passage has always facinated and intrigued me, because it shows the serious and tough side of God, as well as the power. "I never knew you" is a bad thing to hear on Judgement day

Maybe it's meant like this: "You never knew me, so I never knew you." If a person never reaches out to God with their faith & works, in whatever different ways there are to do this, then they truly never knew God. This makes it easy for God to say "I never knew you."

PSALMS 102:17
" He will regard the prayer of the destitute, and not despise their prayer. "

oh that's why....

I'm not sure of the connection you are making here, COOLmac, could you explain further?

well at the first passage we can clearly read that certain people will eventually know that there is a GOD....."many will say to me in that day".....and that day is someday i guess
and all thier lives they thought they were worshipping the right god "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?" they all thought that the god they were worshipping was the same as GOD......they even uses His name and all........
but what did God say to them? "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. "
what's God reason? " ye that work iniquity" that's pretty easy to sum up...then who would God listen to then?

the answer lies to this passage " He will regard the prayer of the destitute, and not despise their prayer. "

destitute there means POOR......at the first passage in matthew those poeple were so proud at heart that they really know what they were doing and God just merely brush them all away....they were crying out LORD LORD but God never wants any part of them.....because they were not poor in heart....not humble..........thinks they are greater than anyone else...........they did INJUSTICES

if you can remember what Jesus said about the POOR....."blessed are the poor......." don't take the "poor" there as a literal poor people.....it means other things.....remember too when Jesus said "not all that i have spoken i say literally.....but in the spirit i have spoken unto thee...." their is a spirtitual meaning to the term poor........and i think you know that meaning already....
hope this clears things for you a little bit....

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First time I ever post in this, and I have only one thing to say:

I do not believe in God. I sure hope he believes in me , though...

Those who get it, get it...

i knew you were gonna say that someday........because if you really did believe in Him you wouldn't end up as a dedicated lawyer

because if you really did believe in Him you wouldn't end up as a dedicated lawyer

I'm not just a lawyer, I'm the devil's advocate... Don't I look like Keanu, too?

BTW, there are lawyers who believe in god, they just try to leave him out of the courtroom. They usually are not the best among us, too many athical back and forths...

i thought the devils advocate is against the devil?
anyways a God fearing lawyer can't do his work straight since religion/faith hinders his works...i know that i'm sorounded by politicians and lawyers.......

the very good ones indeed question the existance of God......and i was leaning towards you as a good one...i guess......

thought the devils advocate is against the devil?

advocate=barrister=solicitor=lawyer. Different words, more or less the same meaning...

anyways a God fearing lawyer can't do his work straight since religion/faith hinders his works...i know that i'm sorounded by politicians and lawyers.......

Aye, cap'n , that's true.

the very good ones indeed question the existance of God

Nope, they've already done the questioning, and decided that he does not exist.

and i was leaning towards you as a good one...i guess......

I like to get better as I go...

if i have legal probs here....you da man.......just have to saved up for your plane tickets........er wait......you can just do the net meeting in the court room.....LOL
anyways i'm not here to influence your beliefs in anything just make sure you always do the right thing.....the "for th common good stuff".......

anyways i'm not here to influence your beliefs in anything just make sure you always do the right thing

The 'right thing' is different for each one of us, and I do mine.

Kill, maim, destroy ... j/k

No, up until this point people describe me as a nice person.

Are Phillipinos Orthodox or Catholic Christians?

CATHOLIC

well i dont call my religion orthodox..i call it the real church....cause it was based in Jerusalem.......not in rome!

Typically it is orhodox, though. They call it Greek Orthodox nowadays, you know. It's just us two, the Russians and the Serbians that I know of that are still practicing it...

destitute there means POOR......at the first passage in matthew those poeple were so proud at heart that they really know what they were doing and God just merely brush them all away....they were crying out LORD LORD but God never wants any part of them.....because they were not poor in heart....not humble..........thinks they are greater than anyone else...........they did INJUSTICES

Ah, I see now. These people who God rejects do not repent, but instead are arguing with Him. Maybe repentance is God was looking for, but do you think that even if they did repent here, is it too late for them to be saved?

Or maybe it's never too late until it's final, like the man on the cross next to Jesus...That's the way I look at it...What do you think?

Yo, Dr.Dweaver, you never said why you don't believe in God- (I didn't understand what you meant by "I hope he believes in me")

Yo, Dr.Dweaver, you never said why you don't believe in God- (I didn't understand what you meant by "I hope he believes in me")

One cannot give reason for why he does not believe in something, that something just does not reside within him. I used to believe once, when I was way younger, but from the moment on that I was totally responsible for my actions and took my life completely into my own hands, I discovered that the only true master of a man is the man himself.

If , however, there actually is a God, I hope he believes in me and judges me by my actions and not my beliefs... One does not have to believe in Jesus to be a good Christian, just as long as he act as one...

If , however, there actually is a God, I hope he believes in me and judges me by my actions and not my beliefs... One does not have to believe in Jesus to be a good Christian, just as long as he act as one...

You thinking this out is more than a lot of people have done. I agree with you.

But for me, I like the direct model Jesus provides, and so, follow him.

However, like you were saying, there are many who call themselves Christians but are no better or worse people than those who don't. I keep myself aware of this as I follow Jesus, knowing that a label of Christian doesn't mean anything in the end- it's your FAITH, WORKS, LOVE, etc... that God will judge by.

I discovered that the only true master of a man is the man himself.

Yes, we do master ourselves, in terms of we're in control of our fate. Except the way I see it, God gave us free will to do it. I just have that one extra step in there.

Except the way I see it, God gave us free will to do it. I just have that one extra step in there.

Or one extra unnecesary hindrance in your path. It's all about points of view, friend...

bullsfan as i have stated in my previous post..GOD is not merely a fool that you can go on repenting and repenting and doing the same thing again and again.heres an example:
a guy always commit adultery with his mistress......then after every act he commited against God he ask for forgiveness telling the Lord that he will change for the better...but soon he does it again..........and then he repented........feeling like he fooled God many times he then decided that before he dies he will ask God's forgiveness then he will still get a ticket to heaven......but in his last days of his life he called out .......LORD LORD forgive me......God therefore brushes his prayers off and never acknowledge him.......!!!!!!!!

to the robber in the cross....did you know the romans have imprison the robber for many months already? and when the entrance of Jesus to Jerusalem the whole news broke out through out the city......maybe the robber has just repented for months what he did wrog....so when they were in the cross together Jesus knew that he was really really sorry for his sins...and accepted him.....

lastly i am not the one to judge poeple....it is by God's own hands/judgement so i cannot generalized........one thing i know for sure........that it is sinful to God for poeple who knows what is right and keep doing what is worng......if you know what God wants for you then you just have to do it...not rely that God is allforgiving till the last days of your life

dr.deweavr..God does believes in you.....your point of view will be my topic next week..........chow

dr.deweavr..God does believes in you.....your point of view will be my topic next week..........chow

I am honored, Master C...

I thought I'd throw my beliefs into the ring since they seem to be quite ...unrepresented so far.

Don't take this the wrong way, not meaning to insult anyone.

For one, I think all religion and/or beliefs in anything except man and nature to be idiotic. Why? Because I think they serve one purpose, and one purpose only. And that is to make us feel comfy, or taken care of, or that even if we fuck up royally there's still someone/something that can make it better.

This for me is the ultimate form of denial, and a way of hampering your own potential and lowering the enjoyment in life.

To go all Fight Club on you: it's only when you totally renounce all beliefs in things other than yourself that you can live.

But I would never judge any individual based on what they believe. It's the beliefs in themself that i dispise (is that making sense?). Even though I feel very inclined to do so when petty hatred stems from religion, no matter which religion. That includes stuff like abortion, racism, sexuality and whatnot.

Well... That's what I have to say about it all. I guess.

I thought I'd throw my beliefs into the ring since they seem to be quite ...unrepresented so far.

Don't take this the wrong way, not meaning to insult anyone.

Nice disclaimer, and it's always good to start off with that since religion is a very touchy subject for many

For one, I think all religion and/or beliefs in anything except man and nature to be idiotic. Why? Because I think they serve one purpose, and one purpose only. And that is to make us feel comfy, or taken care of, or that even if we fuck up royally there's still someone/something that can make it better.

Freud talked about this inherant in man from the earliest days of civilization, and he called it something like, "the trauma of consciousness" and because we are alone in this world, we need security, so we "invent" a god for comfort.

This for me is the ultimate form of denial, and a way of hampering your own potential and lowering the enjoyment in life.

Depends. You can use belief to enhance your life, as well. The only way belief can hamper one's potential is if it starts restricting yourself from doing things because of religious "rules." For me, when I look at Christianity, I keep the spiritual aspect, but I remove the religious aspect, as I don't need rules to stop me from doing things, but use my own experience and good judgement.

To go all Fight Club on you: it's only when you totally renounce all beliefs in things other than yourself that you can live.

Not necessarily As outlined above.

But I would never judge any individual based on what they believe. It's the beliefs in themself that i dispise (is that making sense?). Even though I feel very inclined to do so when petty hatred stems from religion, no matter which religion. That includes stuff like abortion, racism, sexuality and whatnot.

Even if it wasn't a religious issue, there will be conflicts on abortion, racism, sexuality, etc, regardless. Everybody has their own beliefs, and you have yours as well. Not everybody is going to agree on abortion, and not everybody is going to disagree, either. Each has their pros and cons, and it all comes down to what people believe is right. I agree that those issues breed hatred, which I disagree with, but not all the hatred are coming from religion alone, but beliefs. Just my thoughts

Freud talked about this inherant in man from the earliest days of civilization, and he called it something like, "the trauma of consciousness" and because we are alone in this world, we need security, so we "invent" a god for comfort.

It's the part where we as humans need to create him for comfort that I object to. That is exactly the core of my thesis, it's only when we feel and believe ourselves as alone that I think we can do what we want. And I don't mean that in the cynical "I'm alone and no-one understands me"-kind of way, but in a "I'm alone to do what I want, but I must do it and face the consequences"-kind of way.

Depends. You can use belief to enhance your life, as well. The only way belief can hamper one's potential is if it starts restricting yourself from doing things because of religious "rules." For me, when I look at Christianity, I keep the spiritual aspect, but I remove the religious aspect, as I don't need rules to stop me from doing things, but use my own experience and good judgement. ---snipp--- Not necessarily As outlined above.

I understand what you mean, but I don't agree. Most things that are spiritual are in their essence negatives for me, so I don't see how they can function as something positive.

Even if it wasn't a religious issue, there will be conflicts on abortion, racism, sexuality, etc, regardless. Everybody has their own beliefs, and you have yours as well. Not everybody is going to agree on abortion, and not everybody is going to disagree, either. Each has their pros and cons, and it all comes down to what people believe is right. I agree that those issues breed hatred, which I disagree with, but not all the hatred are coming from religion alone, but beliefs. Just my thoughts

Aye, but when the conflicts stem from religion that I feel disgusted. That you can feel or think one way or another about anything is a inherent human right.

This might be jibberish, I'm not sure... I just finished my second all-nighter
in three days, so my mind is somewhat foggy.