2010 U.S. Election: The Most Important in Our Lifetime, Ever

[benji]

I didn't, that's why I said you were supporting the fear agenda, because you won't vote straight Democrat which is the only way to oppose fear. Then I noted a bunch of other traitors are not going to do the same, which is why our whole voting system is a market failure.

BTW, are you still claiming Jefferson wrote the Constitution?

come on guys its not that hard to find the audio of the person saying this.

Nobody cares that Obama said it, it's meaningless and irrelevant. A distraction, trying to make people afraid instead of aspiring them to hope for what's best for the nation. Increasing the Democratic majority instead of rejecting science and reason.

We still have tons of work to do to get this car out of the ditch.

[puttincomputers]

no, i think i need to go back and brush up on my history. he wrote the declaration of independence.

and benji could you imagine what would have happened if a white guy had said something like that?

oh btw, for those who don't know Marco Rubio is a republican. He is an awesome hispanic guy down in Florida. This is why obamas speech holds no water.

[benji]

Who cares about Uncle Toms who will sell out their race in favor of corporate rape?

[Oznogrd]

We still have tons of work to do to get this car out of the ditch.

Do i have time to finish my slurpee?

[el badman]

So fed up with the stupid advertising all day long about this. And since we're in a border town here, we get this crap for both Texas and New Mexico, where only retards seem to be running on both sides...Rick Perry hasn't done shit for the borderland, so I still hope Bill White will make it though.

[cyanide]

I'm Canadian and what is this?

Edit:


Ohio's McDonald's employees gets voting instructions with their paycheques

[Lamrock]

Man, you guys are crazy. Dino Rossi sucks! He can eat a bag of dicks for all I care. In addition to being a nazi, he is also pro-life and thinks that slavery should make a comeback. Don't believe me? Do some research. lol.

Patty Murray 4 LYFE!!!!!

[rise]

Glenn Beck is a terrible person. He's a racist hate-monger cunt.

[benji]

Thank you for that valuable contribution to this thread.

Democratic party, but they are by far the lesser of two evils. Frightened about this country's direction.

Does not compute.

Glenn Beck is ... a racist hate-monger

And I'm sure you have plenty of self-researched evidence to support such a claim!

I'm Canadian and what is this?

I'm bet you say that a lot. Someday we'll invade and give you all an education.

Remember, hard physical labor makes you free!

Rick Perry hasn't done shit for the borderland, so I still hope Bill White will make it though.

Almost no chance that Fear doesn't win that one. You'll have to wait for the Dahl corporation.

Do i have time to finish my slurpee?

SLURPEES FOR EVERYONE! YOU GET A SLURPEE! AND YOU GET A SLURPEE!

[Lamrock]

I'll take a party that does nothing over a party that is supported by the most ignorant, uneducated populace, oppresses our civil liberties, widens the gap between the rich and poor, and continues to destroy this once great country's reputation.

And I'm sure you have plenty of self-researched evidence to support such a claim!

http://www.newshounds.us/2010/02/02/hat ... earing.php
http://www.thebvx.com/2010/08/11/glenn- ... t-moments/

You don't really need to dig too deep to support that claim. Yes, these sites are biased, but all you need to do is watch his show and see the shit he spews (and people believe!)

Okay benji. Rip my very basic beliefs rooted primarily in pathos apart.

[benji]

Not a single thing in that second link was racist. And I don't see what's hate-mongering about the first link, standard hypocritical political beliefs.

I have watched his show, probably exponentially more than you have. It's overwrought emotional dramatics but so is most talking heads programs, although none of them cry and have a chalkboard. (Advantage: Beck.) Holding up Glenn Beck as some sort of unusual figure in political punditry is simply odd. The "shit he spews (and people believe)" is not any different (in terms of shit-level) from what you get on Countdown, The Ed Show, Hannity, The O'Reilly Factor, or from Joy Behar, Bill Maher, Paul Krugman, Ezra Klein, David Brooks and on and on. The entire point of politics and tribalism is to demonize the "other" and massage the egos of those who support you in your mission.

At the same time, aspects of Beck's television show are vastly superior to the remainder of the media. The fact he got people to read Hayek is more than any other media bloviator has done in at least ten years. The fact he's assaulted the myth that Woodrow Wilson is not the worst human being in American history can be added to that list.

I'll take a party that does nothing

The Democratic Party is about as "do nothing" as Herbert Hoover was. In the last two years, for example, they've seized control of an auto company while vaporizing the used car market, thrown trillions of dollars down the hole in support of political allies, declared we will hold show trials and that the President can kill Americans on American soil whenever he wants, done even more to destroy the financial markets, kicked tons of kids out of their better schools forcing them back into the disaster of the D.C. public school system and openly worked with giant insurance companies to pass legislation simply to make things worse for consumers.

over a party that is supported by the most ignorant, uneducated populace

Yes, I agree. People who think that central planning works are pretty ignorant and uneducated.

oppresses our civil liberties, widens the gap between the rich and poor, and continues to destroy this once great country's reputation.

I agree, these are all terrible positions the Democratic Party holds.

But I thought you were going to give reasons to support them?

[[Q]]

What you really need to make sure to vote for are Props 26 and 27 that way the legislature can properly ensure that only the right people vote for them, not some silly "objective" manner that refuses to stop the Asians from ruining the state, and that they can take the money from those who don't deserve it without any foolish limits that prevent perfection of the state though expert guidance. And vote against Prop 23 or else the entire planet will die in a fireball of horror within months. Also, voting for Prop 19 is moving backwards and choosing fear over a hopeful future where we can finally abolish the use of things that provide no health benefits and where states do not act against the will of the nation. We cannot be a proper community if we divide geographically just for some criminals desire to do something illegal.

wow election day is tuesday?

Yeah, November 9th.

I thought election day is always the 1st tuesday of every november which would make it the 2nd, this upcoming tuesday. but i honestly have no idea. gotta go by my mom's to see if they mailed me a sample ballot or not. not really sure if i'm registered at her place, but I do remember voting no for prop 8 (which was 2 years ago) so i should be registered.

i agree with yes on 27 and no on 23, but once i saw this about prop 26 i could not do it.

Major Donors to the Yes on 26 Campaign (as of Oct 15, 2010).

•California Chamber of Commerce $1,995,000
•Small Business Action Committee $1,350,000
•Chevron $1,250,000
•American Beverage Association $750,000
•Philip Morris $500,000
•Anheuser-Busch $375,000
•MillerCoors $350,000
•Occidental Petroleum $250,000

Also, voting for Prop 19 is moving backwards and choosing fear over a hopeful future where we can finally abolish the use of things that provide no health benefits and where states do not act against the will of the nation. We cannot be a proper community if we divide geographically just for some criminals desire to do something illegal.

well, i think you make a very good point. i hope for a future like that too. we should start with tobacco & alcohol. my stance on it is that cannabis is illegal because it was a way to stick it to the mexican workers the US wanted out of the country. Opium for the chinese railroad workers they wanted out of the country too. i'm not saying opium should be legalized, but there are reasons why cannabis is illegal while tobacco & alcohol (which have been proven time and time again to affect our health very negatively) are somehow still sold all over this country of ours. so i say why not stick it to "the man" and help our state make some money (which we desperately need anyways) at the same time?



and it's a shame a lot of democrats will be losing in november because they didn't magically fix EVERYTHING including the recession while they were in office. i really doubt the republicans and their reaganomics would do any better. probably make it worse. meg whitman was talking about promising tax breaks for small business owners for more jobs.. what they still haven't realized after all this time is that the trickle down theory does not work. you give a business owner a tax break, he won't hire more people with his savings. he's gonna keep it and save it to increase his profits. you give rich people tax breaks, their spending habits won't get more people hired. the rich get richer, and that's the status quo they wanna keep for a very long time.

[benji]

thought election day is always the 1st tuesday of every november which would make it the 2nd, this upcoming tuesday. but i honestly have no idea.

It was a joke, some stupid Democratic (but I repeat myself) candidate mailed out a thing in the primaries that had the next Tuesday as "election day" to people.

not really sure if i'm registered at her place, but I do remember voting no for prop 8 (which was 2 years ago) so i should be registered.

Unless you changed your address you are registered. They don't throw people off the rolls anymore, you get auto-renewed with your drivers license.

i agree with yes on 27 and no on 23

You were agreeing with my horrible sarcasm. I didn't mean 26, I meant 25, was a typo. 25 and 27 are bad ideas, while 23 is a pretty good idea. But California passed Prop 8 in 2008 and Prop 14 earlier this year so they love awful ideas.

but once i saw this about prop 26 i could not do it.

Guess you won't be voting for Barbara Boxer then. The most oil/coal money she's ever received in a cycle.

and it's a shame a lot of democrats will be losing in november

I have to disagree, it's great whenever incumbents lose. Even if that means the other half of the ruling party wins.

because they didn't magically fix EVERYTHING including the recession while they were in office

Well, they did make things worse, that seems like another good reason for them to lose.

what they still haven't realized after all this time is that the trickle down theory does not work. you give a business owner a tax break, he won't hire more people with his savings. he's gonna keep it and save it to increase his profits. you give rich people tax breaks, their spending habits won't get more people hired. the rich get richer, and that's the status quo they wanna keep for a very long time.

Paul? Is that you?

[Phil89]

Interview Christian Lander did on Australian radio a few weeks ago that I found interesting.

John: We always see on Fox News, Glenn Beck having hysteria..is he not reflecting the wider..

Christian: He's reflecting the wrong kind of white people. He's a horrible, horrible human being. He's the absolute worst kind of human being you could have.

Bob: Has he got the numbers?

Christian: He does. He has the numbers. But he is...what's horrible about him is that he is an intelligent guy. He want to Yale. He's a smart guy.
He knows he's exploiting the people that he's talking to. He's getting them fired up about these ridiculous issues that don't mean anything.
He's wrapping himself in the American flag and he's just promoting this horrible culture of stupidity, intentional stupidity. Intentional lack of knowledge.
And racism.

John: I've kind of got these suspicions in mind that he might have been a bit of a P.T Barnum fraudster..when he was cornered on the whole issue of vaccinating children..because that's, amongst his scene, that's this big conspiracy. Like the governments trying to, I don't know. I can't even get my head around it.

Christian: Well the funny thing is..

John: But he said, when he was cornered about it, he kind of both tried to go "Yes, you've got to be careful about Obama trying to inoculate your children", but when absolutely cornered about it, 'Well what about your children?', he was like..he came up with some real dodgy answer which basically meant "No actually, actually of course I inoculate my children."

Christian: Well yeah, I mean that's actually something in the new book. White people don't like vaccinating their children anymore. Which, I guess they want refer to a more normal state..like polio. I don't know what they're thinking anymore. It's insane.

But yeah, Beck is..he is..I think he's just the worst kind. Because, if I honestly believe that he was this working class guy filled with all this rage, it'd be a different story.
But he's a manipulator. He knows what he's doing. He's smarter than that and it's working. That's the heartbreaking thing about it. He's speaking to this group of people who are petrified of losing their country. And the truth of the matter is that somehow they believe that America can get whiter again. That it can get back to a state that never existed.

And that's what he sells them, and they're buying it and it's depressing because these people..they're fighting health care. I mean, they're fighting health care. Health care. They're saying it's the end of America, that the government might help someone who has cancer. You know, it's not like you get cancer as a luxury item.
You know what I mean? It's like "Oh new job, gotta get some cancer. Let's tear this up".

John: But, why can they get so worked up about health insurance when you think..a lot of them would be poor and would therefore benefit from it?

Christian: The idea is that, it's viewed..the way they sell it is that it's a handout. The idea that it's the government. That these people who are taking this health insurance don't wanna work, to get a job to get the health insurance. They think these are the evil people..

John: And do most of these poor white people have private health insurance?

Christian: Yeah.

John: Oh ok.

Christian: And most of them are sort of lower middle class, for the most part. And they're just filled with this rage and it's a brilliant campaign actually because right now we're in a state in the US where..so George Bush had these tax cuts for the wealthy, the ultra wealthy. People who make over $250,000 a year. And he put those tax cuts in right as he started the war. Which, if you're a republican or a conservative..I don't know how they didn't get angry with that. That's the absolutely dumbest move you can do.

And, so these tax cuts are about to lapse and the Republicans..Obama has said "Ok, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to let the tax cuts for the middle class stay.
I'm not going to raise taxes on the middle class. But I'm going to restore the taxes on the people who make $250,000 or more a year". Which is 3% of the American population.
And no Republican will vote for it. And all of these people who do not make $250,000 a year are fighting tooth and nail, saying "We need to keep them, we need to keep them'.
And I'm like "Oh my god, this is one of the greatest scams perpetrated on people of all time". The poor worker is voting for the same party as his boss. That should not happen. That makes no sense.

[benji]

And we should listen to Christian Lander because...

Actually, let's go through this stupid interview:

He's reflecting the wrong kind of white people.

Do we really need to make this a racial issue just to promote your website and books?

He's a horrible, horrible human being. He's the absolute worst kind of human being you could have.

Hyperbole much? So, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Woodrow Wilson, Charlie Manson, Luis Garavito, David Parker Ray, all pale (racist!) against the evil that is Glenn Beck and his...TV show, radio show, magazines, comedy tour and books?

He knows he's exploiting the people that he's talking to. He's getting them fired up about these ridiculous issues that don't mean anything.

Or maybe he, and they, believe these are actually the most important issues of all and are not ridiculous?

He's wrapping himself in the American flag and he's just promoting this horrible culture of stupidity, intentional stupidity. Intentional lack of knowledge.

Yeah, telling people to read Hayek, Payne, The Constitution, The Federalist Papers and various works of history is so "intentional lack of knowledge" and promoting a "culture of stupidity."

And racism.

And there we go.

White people don't like vaccinating their children anymore. Which, I guess they want refer to a more normal state..like polio. I don't know what they're thinking anymore. It's insane.

Again with the "white" qualifier? Many blacks have long been suspect of them, for good reason, and the anti-vaccinaton movement has been around for basically two centuries, it's nothing new or limited to whites.

And the truth of the matter is that somehow they believe that America can get whiter again.

Really? Jesus christ at this guy.

And that's what he sells them, and they're buying it and it's depressing because these people..they're fighting health care. I mean, they're fighting health care. Health care. They're saying it's the end of America, that the government might help someone who has cancer.

What a disingenious fuck. The PPACA was not about that and will not do it. PPACA is NOT health care, it's changes to health INSURANCE. The whole problem is that health care and health insurance ARE NOT THE SAME THING yet everyone treats them the same. Promoting this idea IS an example of "intentional lack of knowledge."

The idea that it's the government.

It's not? Didn't you just say it was?

They think these are the evil people..

Or maybe they sympathize with the sick but don't think they should have to suffer in order pay for other people?

so George Bush had these tax cuts for the wealthy, the ultra wealthy. People who make over $250,000 a year

And, so these tax cuts are about to lapse and the Republicans..Obama has said "Ok, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to let the tax cuts for the middle class stay. I'm not going to raise taxes on the middle class. But I'm going to restore the taxes on the people who make $250,000 or more a year".

Except Obama can't do that, it requires Congress. And they adjourned without even moving forward on legislation to keep ANY of the Bush Tax Cuts. So when the lowest tax bracket has their taxes go up 50% on January 1st, and a bunch more people join that bracket instead of paying no federal income taxes, that's just fine as long as everyone else (except the ultra wealthy he hates) takes a smaller hit too?

Also lulz at the idea that $250,000 is "ultra wealthy" and that any tax increase can get them. The ultra wealthy don't pay taxes, never have, never will, no matter how much you take from the people below them.

And I'm like "Oh my god, this is one of the greatest scams perpetrated on people of all time". The poor worker is voting for the same party as his boss. That should not happen. That makes no sense.

I love progressive hubris so much. "How can anyone not see it makes sense that we should take other peoples money in order to enrich the elites just because we can? It's a scam if we don't take their money!"

[[Q]]

well i think 25 is a no-brainer. a 2/3s majority is ridiculously hard to get in any situation... i mean in a group of friends, it's hard enough to get 2/3s of them to agree on something as simple as what to eat.

[benji]

Exactly, that's the entire point. I can't imagine how absolutely terrible things in California would be without the limitation.

EDIT: This is unrelated, but I forgot to include this complete stupidity in the videos above, which would have made it even and massaged my OCD:

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Of course, from the best late night show:

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Shit, I'm uneven again.

If anyone else can remember all the absolutely stupid things that have gone on in this meanin...er most important election ever feel free to post them.

[benji]

Wait, there's more. All of it will be brought to you by Red Eye:

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This last one is so win.

[puttincomputers]

benji your breakdown on that interview was awesome!

it is so hilarious to me how people say white people are racist just because they are white. lol! what hypocrites!

[Oznogrd]

Wait, you can vote for Alvin Greene? DO IT FOR MEEEEEE. PLEASE. (If you vote that is. Also, don't forget THIRD PARTIES AT TOP OF THE BALLOT!)

You don't even have to admit you did it to others, but it'll give me pride I was able to finally use my internet contacts to proxy vote for someone worthwhile.

You aren't even throwing your vote away since Greene is going to lose by like 50 points anyway. The fact nobody wants to vote for him just proves voters are morons.

So benji, im still standing by my choice to not vote. However i'm doing you a favor. Im driving my 74 year old grandmother to vote. Who's she voting for? None other than Alvin Fucking Greene. So consider your internet proxie powers proven!

[puttincomputers]

Mr. Greene might be a better rep for his district than obama was for his.

[benji]

So benji, im still standing by my choice to not vote. However i'm doing you a favor. Im driving my 74 year old grandmother to vote. Who's she voting for? None other than Alvin Fucking Greene. So consider your internet proxie powers proven!

Speaking of Greene:

The five-member Air Force Discharge Review Board decided in July 2006 to uphold Greene's involuntary administrative discharge for issues with his performance ranging from improper dress, a messy dorm room and too-long lunch breaks to failure to retain knowledge, an inability to perform job tasks despite repeated training and a belief among his superiors that he should never be sent to combat.

lol he's awesome.

[J@3]

How did this Al Greene guy get votes at all?

[benji]

Nobody knows, Democratic primary voters just voting for the name (opponent's name was Vic Rawls) I guess since nobody knew who he was until he won. He won the primary by almost 20 points but is going to lose the general by like 40-50 points. One poll had him getting 11%. He'd probably lose even more if there weren't 15-20% of the population who will vote Democratic no matter who the candidate was, especially old people in the South.

Speaking of people who are going to lose, Chris Dudley's chances are as bad as his FT%.

[J@3]

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