You know its the 2000's when...

- when flying cars, robots and A.I are right around the corner for the masses

Iverson? Where could I find him?

Being wasted in Denver.

- when you check celebrities news, its filled by news like: " Paris Hilton wore a black dress. "

- when you check celebrities news, its filled by news like: " Paris Hilton wore a black dress. "

...you check celebrity news...gossip girl?

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Nah, I check news, but they are filled with celebrity news and then I see nothing else, but stuff like that. None really cares about Paris Hilton's or someone else's dress or clothing line.

I suggest you edit that post before anybody else notices it and starts calling you "gossip girl"

I also visit some celebrity news sites, but they feature the news where the celebs don't wear their dresses properly.


Actually those suck

The celebs better be females buzzy, especially the sucking.

I check news, but they are filled with celebrity news and then I see nothing else, but stuff like that.

But you specifically stated "celebrities news" and not plain news.

Busted^^^

- when flying cars, robots and A.I are right around the corner for the masses

Iverson? Where could I find him?

Right around the corner...just keep looking

-when you buy a mac and have absolutely no problem adapting when you've never used one before...

-When using an apple product will instantly make you look 'cool'

- You can't afford to fill up your gas tank.

"You know its the 2000's when"...thirteen-year old kids follow celebrity gossip news.

EDIT: Err, sorry, I mean boys. You are a boy, right, Oskar?

-When using an apple product will instantly make you look 'cool'

Agreed, I can't stand those Mac commercials with the dorky guy representing PC. They come across as awfully smug considering Apple has problems of their own. Bottom line, if it's a computer, at some point it's going to frustrate you. Whichever way you guy, you're going to run into some annoying issues.

- You can't afford to fill up your gas tank.

Didn't that happen also back in the 70's or 80's?

-When using an apple product will instantly make you look 'cool'

Agreed, I can't stand those Mac commercials with the dorky guy representing PC. They come across as awfully smug considering Apple has problems of their own. Bottom line, if it's a computer, at some point it's going to frustrate you. Whichever way you guy, you're going to run into some annoying issues.

I disagree completely. I've had my iMac and used OS X 10.5 (which by the way isn't the most stable version of OS X) for over eight months now and never had an issue. Not a single one.

I never had to open Activity Monitor (equivalent to Windows' Task Manager) to terminate an application, I never had to install drivers when connecting something to the computer, or gone through painful installation processes (most apps are drag and drop). And I certainly never stumbled upon viruses, or spyware of any kind. Actually I find it's much easier to do most tasks on Mac OS X.

I don't know what you mean by "problems of their own", unless you're referring to the small number of videogames available for the Mac platform. This can be solved easily, though: just fire up BootCamp, insert your Windows CD, and when you're done with the installation process, you can install and play as many games as you want on your Windows partition. It takes less than an hour to do everything I just said.

The fact that the ads are annoying and exaggerated doesn't mean they're not partially true.

Didn't that happen also back in the 70's or 80's?

Gas was $0.50/gallon in the 70's...

I'm basing that assessment on the customers I used to speak to who owned Macs and called up because they were having problems with them, some of them being hardware issues. Seems to me if Macs were 100% problem free, there'd be no need for any kind of technical support outside helping the computer illiterate.

Speaking of which, I'm also covering that issue with my previous statement. Whether it's a PC or a Mac, for those who are inept with computers it's going to frustrate them at some point. And even for those who are computer literate, I would suggest something will pop up eventually that will frustrate them, be it a software, hardware or functionality issue.

I'm also basing my assessment on my experiences using Macs at times during my school days, including a frustrating term in my final year using iMacs that crashed when you tried to open Office and Netscape at the same time. I was never impressed with my first iPod nano, though I have to say my new third gen nano has much better battery life.

There certainly is some truth in the ads, particularly the one that lampoons Vista's security measures prompting you for action at every turn. I find it hard to defend Vista, I'm certainly in no rush to upgrade but it still seems to me that Apples have their own drawbacks. Obviously they're not going to mention those in their own advertisements, that would just be silly, but I'm not sold on the idea that they are this perfect, infallible, drawback-free alternative to PC.

And again, if nothing else, a computer is only effective if it's used effectively. I don't care if you're dealing with Windows, Mac Os, Linux, Risc Os or TI Basic. If it's a computer, it has the potential to be frustrating, albeit moreso if you're not skilled in using them.

And Andrew knocks out Joe with a killer punch.

And I certainly never stumbled upon viruses, or spyware of any kind.

This has been argued before in the forums.
Something to do about Macs having less customer base as compared to the numerous PC users who are ripe for viruses and spyware.

Plus, most viruses are written to effect Microsoft systems.

Take it or leave it, I didn't install any anti virus software until this weekend on my new Vista computer and I had nada for viruses. The only time I've had any issue with it was when I was forcing it to use an old (pre service packs) XP driver, which was dumb on my part.

Because most people that make viruses think Vista is still a piece of shite like the majority of PC users.

Once tweaked to individual preference, the overall Vista security system is quite efficient. Along with the free AVG, I haven't had any trouble at all for a year and a half.
iMacs overheat way too fast, and not just the ones that had a manufacturing defect and were recalled, you could fry a fucking egg on them. A friend of mine is already at his 3rd laptop...

Seems to me if Macs were 100% problem free, there'd be no need for any kind of technical support outside helping the computer illiterate.

I've been working in an Apple Authorized Retail Store for a month now. Basically all I do is answer the Technical Support phone. If I can solve the issue by phone, I do that. If I can't, I send an IT guy to the customer. 90% of the issues I've been able to solve on the phone with just one sentence.

Most Mac users (especially in Europe) are recent switchers. They call Tech Support because of every little thing they find on Mac that is different on Windows. I've actually had more than a few customers call because they couldn't find the taskbar.

About the hardware issues, most calls hardware-related calls I've received involved outdated Macs (mostly G3s and G4s but I've also received a call from a dude trying to play a DVD on a Macintosh Plus). I've received less than ten calls regarding hardware issues on Intel Macs, and only five of them were actual problems, which were resolved in the substitution of the parts affected.

According to the store manager, the store replaced just four hard drives and fixed a total of nineteen Mac hardware-related issues since its opening in September of 2006. Three of the four hard-drives they replaced were on Macs with G5 processors, which were overclocked, therefore increasing the chance of hardware failure.

Macs aren't problem-free, no computer is. But if the user is capable of using a computer without assistance, chances are he's going to run into more issues on Windows Vista than OS X. Jesus, my dad has never run into any issues on his MacBook and the only two computers he'd ever used before were a Commodore 64 and a '96 IBM Aptiva running Windows 95.

Speaking of which, I'm also covering that issue with my previous statement. Whether it's a PC or a Mac, for those who are inept with computers it's going to frustrate them at some point. And even for those who are computer literate, I would suggest something will pop up eventually that will frustrate them, be it a software, hardware or functionality issue.

That is pretty much a given. All I'm saying is my experience with Macs and Mac OS X has been perfect so far, and I know of lots of other people who are extremely happy with their Macs. As you said, something will eventually pop up, all I'm saying it's much more frequent on XP or Vista than Mac OS X.

I'm also basing my assessment on my experiences using Macs at times during my school days, including a frustrating term in my final year using iMacs that crashed when you tried to open Office and Netscape at the same time.

It depends on what OS those iMacs were running. Mac OS 9 and the first releases of Mac OS X were not very trustworthy/stable. Netscape also was never completely stable on the Mac platform, same for Microsoft Office, which Microsoft started developing seriously for the Mac platform only after Panther came out in late 2003.

The Mac OS was undergoing some serious changes in the early 00's, with the transition to OS X, so it wasn't very reliable. It became the great OS it is today with the release of Panther and later Tiger.

There certainly is some truth in the ads, particularly the one that lampoons Vista's security measures prompting you for action at every turn. I find it hard to defend Vista, I'm certainly in no rush to upgrade but it still seems to me that Apples have their own drawbacks. Obviously they're not going to mention those in their own advertisements, that would just be silly, but I'm not sold on the idea that they are this perfect, infallible, drawback-free alternative to PC.

Every computer has its own drawback. All the ads are pointing out is that Macs have less drawbacks than PCs.

This has been argued before in the forums.
Something to do about Macs having less customer base as compared to the numerous PC users who are ripe for viruses and spyware.

I know, I'm actually the one who came up with this theory, if I'm not mistaken. Though I also think it has to do with the fact that, since Mac OS is UNIX-based and has a much more secure system than Windows (doesn't take much really), it's more difficult to write viruses for it.

However, this does not change the fact that, while there are more than a thousand new threats every year for Windows, there are only two viruses for Mac OS X (namely OSX/Leap-A and AppleScript.THT) and both of them need user-interaction to operate.

Take it or leave it, I didn't install any anti virus software until this weekend on my new Vista computer and I had nada for viruses. The only time I've had any issue with it was when I was forcing it to use an old (pre service packs) XP driver, which was dumb on my part.

Nonetheless, you HAVE installed anti-virus software, and you'll always be concerned about viruses on Windows, while it's extremely rare you'll stumble upon viruses on Mac OS X, especially since the two of them need user-interaction and attack through iChat, an application with lots of valid alternatives that nobody I know actually uses.

Also, you wouldn't of had that driver issue on Mac OS X, since it doesn't need any drivers for anything.

iMacs overheat way too fast, and not just the ones that had a manufacturing defect and were recalled, you could fry a fucking egg on them. A friend of mine is already at his 3rd laptop...

True, that's the only thing that bothers me. The cooling system kind of sucks on the iMac and the MacBook. Though I've never had to replace anything or had any functionality issues because of this. Mac Pros and MacBook Pros don't have these kind of issues, though, as well as Xserves, as far as I know.

You are an ignorant person Joe...I hope you do get a virus and the only way to get rid of it is to send it off, have them burn your current Mac and then be forced to send you a new one.

I've been working in an Apple Authorized Retail Store for a month now. Basically all I do is answer the Technical Support phone. If I can solve the issue by phone, I do that. If I can't, I send an IT guy to the customer. 90% of the issues I've been able to solve on the phone with just one sentence.

Fair enough, I can believe that but I've certainly had a different experience trying to support Mac users. The most common hardware issues I've encountered were with external dialup modems, which admittedly wouldn't be the case elsewhere in the world but when it comes to broadband, Australia is ranked about 17th amongst developed countries with a lot of people still on dialup.

Macs aren't problem-free, no computer is. But if the user is capable of using a computer without assistance, chances are he's going to run into more issues on Windows Vista than OS X. Jesus, my dad has never run into any issues on his MacBook and the only two computers he'd ever used before were a Commodore 64 and a '96 IBM Aptiva running Windows 95.

See, that's the thing. I think a lot of people pick up Macs because they believe them to be easier to use but not being computer savvy, they struggle with them just as much. Being clueless, they find Mac Os just as difficult or confusing.

That is pretty much a given. All I'm saying is my experience with Macs and Mac OS X has been perfect so far, and I know of lots of other people who are extremely happy with their Macs. As you said, something will eventually pop up, all I'm saying it's much more frequent on XP or Vista than Mac OS X.

I can appreciate that, but my experiences have been to the contrary so obviously we have different views on the matter. I do know that most people who've always used Macs do swear by them, just as people who have always been able to get the job done with PC (like myself) aren't easy to sell on switching either. I suppose that once again comes down to being savvy with whatever system you're using.

It depends on what OS those iMacs were running. Mac OS 9 and the first releases of Mac OS X were not very trustworthy/stable. Netscape also was never completely stable on the Mac platform, same for Microsoft Office, which Microsoft started developing seriously for the Mac platform only after Panther came out in late 2003.

The Mac OS was undergoing some serious changes in the early 00's, with the transition to OS X, so it wasn't very reliable. It became the great OS it is today with the release of Panther and later Tiger.

It probably was, this was back in 2002. But if Mac OS 9 and the first releases of Mac OS X weren't very stable, I think that's a good example of Apple being just as imperfect as Microsoft. How are those operating systems being less reliable any different to Vista having its issues (which I again concede are difficult to defend)? Again, it seems to me both systems have had their shortcomings.

Every computer has its own drawback. All the ads are pointing out is that Macs have less drawbacks than PCs.

I don't know about that, some of the things that are pushed as advantages of Macs also strike me as possible drawbacks, not to mention compatibility issues, the more limited range of software (at least in my observation), etc. Again, I realise they're not going to talk about Mac's shortcomings in ads trying to sell them but I just don't see them as this basically flawless system compared to PCs being riddled with issues with no advantages whatsoever, which is how a lot of people have tried to sell me on.