What's going on?

[Andrew]

I think its somewhat concerning that the head of this site ignores this problem...

I'm sorry you feel that way. I haven't responded to this thread until now because I have admittedly been MIA these past few days but the problems do concern me. There are some things that are beyond my control but I am interested in doing what I can to fix things.

Here's my take on the situation.

The downtime is a huge problem (and I might tell you, a huge headache). Every solution we've tried thus far has only proven to have been a bandaid fix so I'm trying to organise something more permanent. Believe me, it's really frustrating for me as well. It's not as though I sat down and wondered what would be good for the site and decided periodic downtime would be just the ticket. I know it's not the only problem but I do realise it's driving people away. Once we get that fixed up we'll at least have a forum that we can put to use.

I think the current attitude towards NBA Live and the lack of activity this offseason does play a role. Again, it's not the only problem and I'm not going to dimiss the issue with something that's beyond my control but the NLSC is first and foremost an NBA Live site, so the activity in the NBA Live sections will fluctuate depending on people's interest and whether there's any noteworthy news to discuss. That has a small effect on the General sections since it means less fresh faces sticking around.

However, I realise that traditionally the strength and appeal of the General sections has kept people around even after their interest in NBA Live subsides and that isn't happening as much. As I said I believe the technical problems have had a lot to do with that but I also agree that the overuse of stickies has stifled discussion because we have come dependant on the "official" threads. I think they work in a limited capacity because the team threads cater to posters who want to talk about the daily events/games of their favourite team but in terms of reducing clutter they have gone overboard. So yes, I'd definitely like to move away from that approach and cut down on the centralised threads.

I also agree on letting threads develop without worrying about it going completely off course. I don't know any exact solution to that one except everyone loosening up about it and steering threads back on topic if it becomes an issue (or someone feels like discussing something directly related to the original topic). I guess from a moderator perspective that means less locking of threads.

[Matthew]

You're sorry that I find it concerning that the head of this site (you) finds it more appropriate to post in a Scrubs thread then address these problems?

Nobody is pointing fingers and blaming you Andrew for the downtime. What Jae did in this thread was ask why are so many quality posters gone. I don't know why you are twisting this around to make yourself the victim here?

And as I said before, NBA Live has sucked for a long time. I really don't see why all of a sudden now it would effect the way people contribute to the general sections. Honestly if NBA Live was great and there was a lack posting, people would probably say "It's because people are playing NBA Live too much"

And there's always been offseason's, it happens annually . It has never, ever been quite this dead before. Additionally, the off season really shouldn't effect posting in the non nba talk sections, right?

Stickies, bad leadership, people unwilling to let things go for the better of the community are all contributing factors that have not been addressed and have helped seen this forum dwindle. But hey maybe if we ignore it the problem will go away.


Or maybe it wont.

[Andrew]

I'm not making myself out to be a victim, but if when you're suggesting that I don't care about the site then I feel I need to defend myself and state yes, I do care about the site and Forum.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about me posting in the Scrubs thread. If dwindling forum participation is the problem then I don't see how people - mysef included - posting in a thread that interests them is a huge problem.

[Matthew]

When did I or anyone say (or even suggest) that you don't care about the site Andrew?

But seeing you asked so nicely, can you justify your posting habits when its clear that the forum does need a tune up? You say you are busy with work, and thats understandable. But to have the NLSC in a stranglehold for power whilst complaining about a lack of time is a contradiction.

Why are you against progress? Why are you against Jae becoming a co admin now when you were open for it before? (http://www.nbaliveforums.com/sutra706285.php#706285)

Wouldn't having Jae as a co admin lessen your work load in the forums?

Wouldn't being in some kind of partnership with a visionary like Ben hefor the development of the community?

You know, I'm not even sure if you're willing to accept there is a problem in the community. If everything is fine, why does anyone with the power (ie you) have to change anything.

But there is a problem. A big one.

I'm going to use NBA talk as an example. There are 5 threads locked. Some of the reasons for these locked these:

"Players go to other countries all the time. This is not a topic of discussion."

False, Ha! I must really be bored

Already posted here.

These are just 3 examples from a small sample. The first one a guys thread gets locked because a moderator feels it's not a good topic (kobe going to an asian country)

The second one was the true of false thread, and Cyanide said: True or false this thread will be locked.

The third thread was shutdown and he was pointed to the "official spurs thread".

Also when looking at NBA talk the Kobe thread that was locked is still on the first page. Thats nearly a month ago. Like it or not, the participation is dwindling and it has little to do with NBA Live being upto its regular unplayable standard or the off season.

Do you even remember how popular NBA talk used to be? Official threads were laughed at when EG introduced them, but now they are a staple of NLSC. They're horrible and it goes to the heart of the matter: There is no leadership by anyone saying "hey look these things are suffocating our forums". Instead they are embraced and protected.

But I want to know why you can't see these problems, or if you do why do ignore them? Do you like to think you don't need any help, that you can do this all by yourself? If thats the case you are compromising the community for yourself. Is it because you don't feel you can trust Jae? Is it because you can't see the value in Ben?

What is it?

[Andrew]

When did I or anyone say (or even suggest) that you don't care about the site Andrew?

I felt it was implied when you said:

I think its somewhat concerning that the head of this site ignores this problem...

However, if I'm reading too much into that then my mistake.

I entirely agree that the "official" threads have gotten out of hand and that we need to move away from them. As I said I think they serve a purpose for daily team discussion rather than creating a new thread every day for a team's game (that works with a structure like they have over at RealGM of course) but as a hub for all discussion related to a single team I agree they're not desirable.

Can I justify my posting habits? I really don't see how my posting in topics that interest me is completely ignoring any Forum problems or having an adverse effect on the situation. If one the problems can be identified as a lack of participation, discussion or interesting threads then I don't see the problem with me participating in a discussion or starting threads of interest to me (and hopefully to others as well).

You seem to be suggesting that because I'm not completely agreeing with your solution I'm ignoring the problem. I don't think a shakeup of personnel is necessarily the answer, though having said that it's great to have Jae back in the mix. I do agree that we need to change the way we deal with situations like the centralised threads and locking threads too early or whatever, to name just a couple.

[benji]

I think that changing them to say the "Bulls Games" thread during the season could still work. Not everyone wants to talk about every single game of the season. But when the "official" threads first got popular, the staff and forum members got a bit overzealous about putting everything into those threads. Clearly having a thread to talk about every game is good, but if the Bulls trade Gordon for Kobe, it should get its own thread. And in the playoffs there should be a series thread, instead of having to visit a Bulls and Cavaliers thread for all the discussion on the series, there could just be a Bulls/Cavaliers series thread. Back when they got first started, there was that effort to have moved both of those latter into the "official" thread to keep things tidy.

Can I justify my posting habits? I really don't see how my posting in topics that interest me is completely ignoring any Forum problems or having an adverse effect on the situation.

I think Matthew was pointing out that when you came back from your weekend hiatus you posted in the Scrubs thread first, instead of this "more important" thread. Personally, I just assume you did "last posts since visit" and worked your way down the list. There was an entire 24 hours between Donatello's post and yours, so it was likely not right at the top of the list.

I think Matthew's desire for new personnel is because the current crop seems to some, to not be coming up with new ideas or plans to improve things. I think when people believe there to be structual problems having people who should be part of the forums "brain trust" are just posting things like "well, converse is dumb. the server and live is broked. offseason is boring." can make it seem like the people involved need to be changed.

[Matthew]

Do you think you're addressing the problem? Have you even answered any of my concerns in this thread even?

And it's fine that you don't agree with my strategy to try and help this place. But the fact that you have come up with no alternative to help the problem is pathetic. I'm looking at NBA Talk and overnight there was 11 posts in one thread. Thats it.

And the point I was making about your posting habits is when something needs to be done, and its not done, you say you have a lack of time. But then I see your posting habits and its through the roof. Priorities?

Additionally when you don't share the work load of course there will be a "lack of time". You can't have it both ways.

The whole moderating team (exception of Jae and BigHort) are even following in this great example that you set. They simply don't do their job unless someone points something out to them, and yet you think this place is in need of any restructuring of staff.

You also say "its great" that Jae is back. Do you really mean that? If you do, can you possibly justify why you refuse to make him an admin now he has returned when before he left you publicly offered it to him.

[bigh0rt]

Just want to throw $0.02 in here, semi-on-topic. I think PDub needs to be given Moderator powers. Here's a guy who cares about this forum. He posts in several of the both NBA and non-NBA Live related sections, has a smart sense about him and good judgment, and I think already does to a capacity what a lot of people are looking for some of the forum veterans and/or staff to do.

I myself have been here less and less since the downtime got so bad. There was a time when I could literally get into the forums, have them load at a reasonable time, and not get unexpectedly logged out, losing all of my unread posts, about 20% of the time. Now it's not nearly as bad, but that was certainly a large contributing factor.

I understand fully that the forum may be at some form of all-time or exaggerated low as far as traffic and/or perceived quality, but I'm not sure there is some sort of solution that is going to come out of a discussion like this (or what this has become). Maybe it could, but it is my opinion that either things will shape up and improve, or they won't. Now, of course discussing why and what we think is causing the recession can lead to outlets in how to try and kick start things, but if my memory serves me, this has been done before, has it not?

Anyway, I'm rambling anymore. I'll try and get on here more often and do work like I did during the meaty parts of last year's NBA season -- I'm certain that in two weeks when the game drops we'll see a spike in participation across the board -- that will be a key time in instituting any changes or trends we'd like to see begin/end, so let's just try and keep discussion headed in a positive direction so we can be proactive and actually make some progress here, gents.

[Andrew]

And it's fine that you don't agree with my strategy to try and help this place. But the fact that you have come up with no alternative to help the problem is pathetic. I'm looking at NBA Talk and overnight there was 11 posts in one thread. Thats it.

Well, since the official threads are one of the problems one solution would be to simply lock the ones we have as Jae did with the movies and music thread, abandoning the concept completely and avoiding them in the future with possible exceptions being patch petition threads, tutorial stickies, etc. If we're going to keep some, like the Bulls thread, I like Ben's suggestion of renaming them so their purpose is clear and they're not bottling up all the discussion...although the Bulls thread did start off with air gordon mentioning how they'd made it out of the NBA basement and just went from there.

Beyond that, it's been ages since the rules have been updated or the moderator procedure for that matter. Defining the procedures in particular - when to lock, when to merge, what to let go, what shouldn't be - should help and address the problem of too many lock threads. We can make avoiding the centralised threads (except things like patch petitions) part of that policy. That should result in more consistency.

So yeah, that's something I can and should do for a start. I'd be interested to hear feedback on what people think is acceptable and unacceptable and how they feel about certain threads.

You also say "its great" that Jae is back. Do you really mean that? If you do, can you possibly justify why you refuse to make him an admin now he has returned when before he left you publicly offered it to him.

Yes, I mean that. As far justifying it, I thought it was a decision that was up to me to make but in any event I feel that's between myself and Jae to work out. I don't feel what I wrote was a public offer of co-adminship, I said it's something I would discuss privately and at the time it was something I was considering. It's not an issue of trust or lack of confidence in Jae's abilities. I'm just wondering what difference naming a co-admin would make since Jae already has access to ban users and move/lock/delete/merge threads in every section. Surely, the role would basically be the same?

[J@3]

Just want to throw $0.02 in here, semi-on-topic. I think PDub needs to be given Moderator powers. Here's a guy who cares about this forum. He posts in several of the both NBA and non-NBA Live related sections, has a smart sense about him and good judgment, and I think already does to a capacity what a lot of people are looking for some of the forum veterans and/or staff to do.

Only if some mods are removed. There's already too many of them, and alot are inactive as moderators (not posters).

I was bored the other night, there were three other moderators online (I won't name names, pointless)... so I thought I'd play a game. I randomly moved 4 threads to sections that they shouldn't have been in, deliberately, sections they were visiting/had visited... not one of those threads got touched by any of the other mods. What I'm curious about is how many of the current mods are/want to be actual moderators, and how many want to be posters with a moderator badge?

I think Matthew's desire for new personnel is because the current crop seems to some, to not be coming up with new ideas or plans to improve things.

They don't. It's disappointing really, especially since I really thought the new group would do so well.

I'm just wondering what difference naming a co-admin would make since Jae already has access to ban users and move/lock/delete/merge threads in every section. Surely, the role would basically be the same?

My interpretation of that, well, at least what I'd had in mind when we discussed it at the start of the year (not grandstanding or anything, I don't campaign for myself to be admin lol), was the adminship would give me the added ability of being able to make certain changes instantly that you can't. I.e if you decided to add someone as a moderator, if you had a busy week it could take 5-10 days to get it done, whereas I've got enough free time to do it straight away. Same with adding/deleting forum sections and whatever else you decided to do with the forums.

Beyond that, it's been ages since the rules have been updated or the moderator procedure for that matter. Defining the procedures in particular - when to lock, when to merge, what to let go, what shouldn't be - should help and address the problem of too many lock threads. We can make avoiding the centralised threads (except things like patch petitions) part of that policy. That should result in more consistency.

To be honest, I don't think that really needs to be done just yet... purely because (and I don't mean to pick on them) the moderators don't moderate. There's a few thread lockings here and there but that's it. I think maybe a thread explaining the position on thread locking could work, but the rules (IMO) shouldn't be re-done until there's some continual active moderating.

I understand fully that the forum may be at some form of all-time or exaggerated low as far as traffic and/or perceived quality, but I'm not sure there is some sort of solution that is going to come out of a discussion like this

I think there is. People are blaming things that aren't really at fault, but the most telling people to me was Indy saying that there's no interesting posts so he just doesn't post as much... I think alot of the moderators have applied that thinking, since most of them are fairly inactive and only really pop up every now and then. I mean there's a team of like 5 moderators in the general sections alone, surely that group could've just started posting more thus provoking other people to post aswell... the mods were all picked originally because they were good, active posters.

[Jackal]

Yohance is pretty much retired by the way. He has no intentions of really returning to say he's retired and what not. So yeah, that's one name that could be removed from the moderator team.

Good for him though, NLSC has drama. Gotta love it.

[Matthew]

Andrew how long have you been wanting to "rewrite" the rules? No vague response like "a while".

The problem I have with this entire situation is you won't come up with any solutions. You never fail to see any problems unless if you absolutely have to. Remember EG? Remember how you ignored all the warning signs from people that it was creating problems?

You are doing the exact same thing here.

But you say how the current NLSC moderating team isnt a problem. When was the last time Yohance even made a post? When was the last time any of the team (including you) came up with any ideas to liven the community up?

Do any of you guys even care that NBA talk is fucking dead?

I don't think you guys do because I have seen nothing but excuses in this thread, and brushing the blame off to completely unrelated "reasons".

So what do we have here?

We have a forum that is dwindling in participation.

We have a forum that is failing miserably in keeping quality posters.

We have a forum where even "leaders", better named moderators, are barely even active in posting let alone providing an example to rest of the posters.

And what is even more disturbing is the one guy who can actually put the appropriate people in who can help this situation has his head in sand and refuses to acknowledge the problems here.

You can pretend there is no problem or there is nothing you can do about it but that is horrible, horrible leadership. And leadership has a twinkle effect. The guys at the bottom or in the middle usually follow the people at the top.

But what would having Jae as admin change?

To me it will show that you finally respect what Jae has done for this community. How would you feel if you were told (and deservingly so) that you were the best mod in the history of nlsc, and if you were willing you would be annointed admin.

Then you when you return the offer gets revoked because the one man with power says so.

You may hate that, but that is exactly what you have done with Jae.

It's how you've handled anyone who has showed enthusiasm towards this place.

I don't know why you do it. Maybe its so you can feel powerful. Maybe its so you can feel that you do the most at this place if you're the only one who can actually do something.

But you are sacrificing the community for whatever reason and its suffocating here. I hope you're happy.

What would Ben do as a moderator?

Well for starters he actually posts. For two he is a great leader and encourages posting. He actually has ideas and is motivated enough to follow through with them.

Can these recommendations instantly change everything thats wrong here?

No.

But after years of standing still you can't expect to reach full stride in one step.

The problems here are on every level. We can't hold regular posters accountable because they really have no responsibility here. But there definate problems with the moderating and administration here, and these really need to be addressed and not ignored.

You, Andrew, need to come up with some solution as it is clear you are not willing to listen to anyone else's proposals here.

I just hope its worth it.

[shadowgrin]

I think that changing them to say the "Bulls Games" thread during the season could still work.

That's better than an encompassing official team thread.
A regular season thread for teams.
When I visit the Official Bulls/Lakers/Knicks threads, in the back of my mind I sometimes wonder if that thread will reach 500 pages 1-2 years into the future because it's the "official" thread that contains 2 NBA seasons worth of posts.

[Andrew]

My interpretation of that, well, at least what I'd had in mind when we discussed it at the start of the year (not grandstanding or anything, I don't campaign for myself to be admin lol), was the adminship would give me the added ability of being able to make certain changes instantly that you can't. I.e if you decided to add someone as a moderator, if you had a busy week it could take 5-10 days to get it done, whereas I've got enough free time to do it straight away. Same with adding/deleting forum sections and whatever else you decided to do with the forums.

That's certainly true. I suppose I was thinking strictly from a moderating and banning point of view in which case any kind of admin title would really be a superficial change but it would be an advantage with things like that, definitely.

Andrew how long have you been wanting to "rewrite" the rules? No vague response like "a while".

Several months, probably at least ten. After a few drafts it did get pushed aside for other things and unfortunately I've yet to pick it up again.

But you say how the current NLSC moderating team isnt a problem. When was the last time Yohance even made a post? When was the last time any of the team (including you) came up with any ideas to liven the community up?

Yohance does seem to have moved on, last I heard he was engaged. The last "new" thing I introduced would be Entertainment Talk as I hoped it would stimulate some conversation about TV shows and movies since we'd had a few threads and I also hoped it would move away from the centralised threads. Nothing revolutionary but I hoped it would help. So far it hasn't panned out as I'd have liked.

And what is even more disturbing is the one guy who can actually put the appropriate people in who can help this situation has his head in sand and refuses to acknowledge the problems here.

I really don't know what to say to that. I'm here talking about the problem but you keep saying I have my head in the sand and am ignoring the problem. I'm certainly not ignoring the thread or locking it or telling anyone to shut up. I'm not immediately making any changes because I feel I should express my opinions and see what everyone has to say.

[Matthew]

10 Months Andrew! 10 fucking months. Do you think thats acceptable?

10 months to restructure the rules, and this is when you yourself said that that is the key to why there are inconsistencies in moderating which have contributed to the dwindling forum numbers.

Who is responsible for that? And you wonder why I am questioning why you won't share the role with Jae.

10 months.

Wow.

I don't care why you introduced Entertainment Talk. You possibly can't have only split one forum in the last 6 months and then be at a loss as to why people simply arent posting here anymore.

And while you may be "talking" about the problems, you are not addressing them. What alternatives have you come up with to my proposals, considering you won't even acknowledge the importance of them.

You do have some kind of idea of what to do right?

10 months (and counting) for a reform in the rules.

In the last 6 months one "addition" (a split of a section) to the forum.

Jae, I think you have your answer why everyone walks away from this place. Things just aren't run efficiently. Out of curiosity, Andrew, how long did it take to actually reinstate jae as a moderator?

And Shannon, I cant see what is so greatly wrong with the majority of the posts he started.

[JT_55]

On the topic of people getting pissed off, I have something else I want to say. This topic was originally about how the conversations are a bit slow since some of the veterans left and how the forum is a lagging, but I feel that there might be another reason. Jae has been asking where the "veteran" posters went, and why they left. That could be a reason why some of the conversation when down, but another reason (which was touched on by some other people in this forum (like benji above me)) is that the new posters get so much crap from the regulars that they might be scared away.

Don't get me wrong, I've done some of that myself (mostly to converse), but I've seen some people look like they might start to post regularly, but a few insults turned them right back. We all know it's funny once in a while to unload on unexperienced posters (note I'm not talking about converse, he's in a different group), but they might think this forum is very hostile and decide not to post here anymore. I myself have second-guessed posting here after getting into a little arugment with a senior member, and I might have just went on and posted somewhere else. Most of you guys have been past the point of being blasted, but you have to remember that although this is just an internet forum, it doesn't feel too great getting blasted, especially since you're afraid to post again after that.

So, what I want to say is can everyone be a bit more patient to some of the newer members of this forum, they are a important part of the community too, don't forget. No basketball team can get too far with just a bunch of veterans, and as we've already expericened with the temporary departure of Jae, no one can last forever.

I enjoy reading and posting in topics in this forum, even though it's not very busy as the official forums, but I like how most of the posts have some meaning and thought to it (and actually is a "thought-provoking essay", such as this one) and not just a bunch of guys posting a funny article and 50 guys respond with "lol, that's funny". That might also be why converse is taking so much heat. I think he would be fine in a official football team or hockey team board. Although I haven't been here when the forum was in it's higher points, but I still feel this is a great community, and one of the steps in making it better would be to consider others' feelings (not to different from real life) and to help out newer members and make them feel this is a forum with helpful, patient people.

[J@3]

Can we stop fucking talking about Conversewade or whatever his name is? He's some random spammer who barely even posts anymore and IS NOT the reason the place is so quiet. Jesus Christ...

Edit: I split the threads.

[Jackal]

I myself have second-guessed posting here after getting into a little arugment with a senior member, and I might have just went on and posted somewhere else.

Just out of curiosity ofcourse, since we're just talking general stuff here...

Was there a need for that argument with that "senior" member? If a "junior" poster had just not butted in, I'm sure that argument would never have taken place.

I partially agree with your explanation of scaring people away and all, it really sounds very cute...but honestly, that's not how the NLSC works. This place is where the nasty can take place. Not everything gets sugarcoated over here and you just have to deal with it. You'll be called a dork if you're being a dork, you'll get laughed at if your head is posted on a sheep humping graphic animation, it's just what sets this place apart from all the other "official" places. It has it's own character. (Albeit that's dying down a little.)

If you had chosen to leave, your loss...if something as trivial as those little spats can make you senstive emo bitches leave these days...then might as well just close the place down. Atleast the forum then. When the forums were black & blue it was all a bunch of assholes being assholes together, that's what made it fun.

Now everyone is so concerned with being politically correct and "wha? you said that about me? I'm going to cut myself to sleep now". Seriously, everyone...everyone, just grow a set of balls and stick it out. Many posters have been ragged upon and turned out to be good additions to the forums. Who haven't I had some "nasty" things to say about? I've pretty much been "in a little argument" with everyone and anyone.

I get where you're coming from though, I was just as much of an attention whore, retiring at the mention of the words Jackal + Asshole together for the bazillionth time. But you know what? Asshole or not, I got mad love for you faggots.

The place will pick up. Everyone should just make an effort even if it's in topics that don't really concern you, just add something. This doesn't mean force it or say thanks for sharing, no, say something slightly related to the topic, perhaps someone else has something to say about your post and from there the thread blossoms. Everyone just needs to relax and let things go their way and not get so touchy about it all.

Lastly, I understand the discussion going on about Converse and all, but to be honest, and I don't think Jae will disagree with me here, before he left...converse's ass would've been banned in a week.

I don't have much left to say to Andrew though, this isn't the first time this debate has been brought to the table, it's been going on for years. Respect to Matthew for still trying though.

Edit: just so this little piece of gold isn't lost in the plethora of gibberish that is expected from Jackal...

Most of you guys have been past the point of being blasted, but you have to remember that although this is just an internet forum, it doesn't feel too great getting blasted, especially since you're afraid to post again after that.

[JT_55]

Well, I was kinda expecting you to reply to that. I actually regret bringing that up again, as I know everyone doesn't like a dead horse being flogged...but it proves my point. Of couse, that was way back when as far as I'm concerned.

So you partically agree with my thoughts but you think that this place is where is you act stupid, you will be treated as a retard right away? Fair enough. But I'm not saying that we should all be so patient that we should be like "oh, that's all right, keep trying" to people who made several hundreds of stupid posts, just not jump on them right away.

[Jackal]

To which I say is that they should be jumped on right away. If you don't, they'll continue being stupid.

Look at Coolmac, he was left alone (in the beginning) and we just thought he was like mentally special...that didn't go down too well.

[JT_55]

I haven't met the guy, but after some careful digging he seemed pretty popular, just a few guys (Jackal and Jackal_) really had it in for him. Of course, starting of your time at the NLSC with "I've been banned" is very retarded. So you are basing your actions on past experience. Yeah, you can't let guys like conversewade2.0 run around without an insult (I can't either), but if you let everyone except the people who have been here for a while think you are an "asshole" [size]No, I don't think you're an asshole, don't get me wrong.[/size], I have nothing more to say.

[Jackal]

Haha, yeah, Coolmac was pretty popular. Careful dingging he says.

[JT_55]

You're all to familiar with his farewell thread. I don't want to list all the people who respected him and liked him out...unless they were all just being sarcastic.

But just in case you ask, I will list them as to limit my spamming. Emiliano: "I actually enjoy having you around", Sam.: "I really had mad respected for you", zmac: "Are you leaving, or getting banned? Becoz either way its bullshit! We are name BROTHERS! You gotta stay bro, come on!", the list goes on...

Oh, and I remembered to finish the size tag on this one.

[Its_asdf]

I kind of wondered why everyone got into this coolmac craze when he left. All I remember him for was making terrible internet novels. The sad thing was, everyone egged him on to continue the novel when it was just filled with mindless drivel that is probably less entertaining than analyzing the dirt that was picked out from your own ears.

[Jackal]

You're all to familiar with his farewell thread. I don't want to list all the people who respected him and liked him out...unless they were all just being sarcastic.

Haha, dude, you keep further proving my point. That people actually have the faint idea that coolmac was a good thing for this forum.

Hell, bring back Dweaver and Filip, throw Legend in to the mix too. They was all so popular aswell. JT, sorry, lost many respect points from me.