Xbox 360 Elite vs PS3

[Sauru]

whats wrong with the 360 D-pad exactly?

[-Young Buck-]

whats wrong with the 360 D-pad exactly?

Xbox 360 controller photo

Well the Dpad feels like a cheap 3rd party controller. Basicly its one big button. Its easy to press another direction (up+right) when you mean to press only one direction. Also it slides around. This might be hard to explain, but the button isnt always at center. Which may cause the up button not to work if the whole button is pushed too much up from the center position. (look at the photo, its slightly pushed towards the left) PS2 and Nintendo classic controllers are great because the pad doesnt move at all, because they are inside grooves, and they pretty much are up, down, left, right only. I dont really have a problem with the dpads location, just the quality of it.

[Sauru]

i see what you mean, i hate when companies make the D-pad into a circle. i like the 4 seperate directions alot better as it allows for much better control. thats actually why i liked the pad more than the analog

[benji]

Nintendo's D-Pad is patented, so nobody else can copy it. That's why the buttons on Sony's are seperated. Otherwise they pretty much all windup like the Xbox ones where they slide more as the plastic isn't tight enough to prevent it. (Or there's no plastic at all, it's just one big cover...like the Xbox.) There's a reason most PC gamepads d-pads come up as "Hat Slider" when you're configuring the controls.

[cheater1034]

PS3 is better, I have both, I sold the elite before I opened it :-p (I got both for free, though)

PS3 is sweet, it has blu-ray ($200 for hd dvd on xbox), it has wifi ($100 on xbox), it has hdmi 1.3 (elite is 1.2), and it has a web browser with free online gameplay.

It's less than a year old so the games aren't that great yet, give it some time.

[Lean]

Curse you, how much did you sold your elite?

I'd take the PS3 just for Metal Gear Solid 4 and Star Wars: The Force Unleashed. But money-wise, I want to have a PC upgrade.

[-Young Buck-]

PS3 is better, I have both, I sold the elite before I opened it :-p (I got both for free, though)

I hope for your benefit that you at least have played xbox 360 before, otherwise you comments dont hold much substance.

PS3 is sweet, it has blu-ray ($200 for hd dvd on xbox), it has wifi ($100 on xbox), it has hdmi 1.3 (elite is 1.2), and it has a web browser with free online gameplay.

The bad thing about this is that you HAVE to buy the blu ray player as part of the ps3. To some this is not good because they buy a console for gaming, not movies. The xbox HD-DVD player is only 180 now. Total price for HD-DVD with a Core system $480, Premium $530, and Elite $630. But you dont HAVE to buy the hd-DVD player with an xbox, which means you can go home with a next gen system for as little as 300 bucks. Now this is still a bit cheaper then the ps3. Sure its 500 bucks right now, but once those sell out, sony is going to hit the shelves with the 80GB, with a game for $600 once again. Which makes no sense because everyone from the start was complaining about the high price. Throwing in 20 more GB and a game isnt going to make me go out and buy one. Mind you that the elite comes with a 120gb hard drive. I guess its all personal prefrence. I dont have wifi connection so that didnt matter to me, and 1.2 vs 1.3 HDMI doesnt bother me either. Free online is nice, but its still not up to par with what xbox live is, and the quality it brings. If you are shelling out 500-600 bucks for a system im sure you can afford 50 bucks a year for online service.

It's less than a year old so the games aren't that great yet, give it some time.

This is true. When xbox 360 first hit it didnt really have any standout games. In year two there were better games, a few really good games. Now in the end of its 2nd year we are having alot of good games coming out. PS3 still needs time, its a year behind the 360. Next year by this time it should have better games out. But right now all sony is doing is making you pay for the future, when will sonys future come to the present? Who knows. From the start it doesnt seem like sony has their shit in order. Just look at the price cut, and then coming back out with another 600 dollar model. What retards! So instead of just forcing you to buy their blu ray player, now you also have to buy their free game they want to include in the package. I dont think 100 bucks is worth 20GB and a free game. Its actually a worse deal then the 500 dollar deal they have going now. So if you plan to buy one and get your moneys worth, buy the 500 pack while its still on the shelves.

[benji]

The bad thing about this is that you HAVE to buy the blu ray player as part of the ps3. To some this is not good because they buy a console for gaming, not movies.

Games come on Blu-Ray.

[Hot_Spitta]

I have a 360 right now and now i want to get a PS3. Don't get me wrong the 360 is a great system with great graphics. But i have always been kind of a PS3 guy and hardware wise the PS3 is more powerful. Also some great exclusives like MGS4 and Killzone 2 along with Haze. Halo is a good game but to me not as great as everyone makes it out to be. So im actually going to sell my 360 and get a 60GB PS3 real soon. Its really a toss up though.

[-Young Buck-]

The bad thing about this is that you HAVE to buy the blu ray player as part of the ps3. To some this is not good because they buy a console for gaming, not movies.

Games come on Blu-Ray.

They didnt have to use blu ray discs to make next gen games, yet it was a great way to support their blu ray media. Unlike UMD, Beta Max, Mini Disc.... i think blu ray will be more popular then HD-DVD and stay around for a long time.

As far as the blu ray, they do give a ton of space to use. But fact is that the only games that will take full advantage of this storage space are the exclusive games for the ps3. Since most games are made for 360 then ported to ps3.

But i have always been kind of a PS3 guy and hardware wise the PS3 is more powerful. Also some great exclusives like MGS4 and Killzone 2 along with Haze.

Is that why NCAA Football runs 30 frames per sec on the PS3 and 60 frames per sec on the xbox 360? So far it seems like the ps3 being more powerful has turned out to be just a rumor. Many games run better and look better on the xbox 360 compared to the ps3. Although this is probably due to the fact that many games are made on the 360 and then ported to the ps3.

[617KiD]

With PS3's HOME comin out its a no-brainer

[Lamrock]

It is a tough decision. I own a 360 and love it, but the PS3 is more future proof. Right now, the 360 is the much better system, with a giant advantage in game library, superior multi-platform games and a lower price to boot. Plus, many of the PS3's exclusives are no longer exclusive.

However, PS3 is MUCH more powerful, and once developers can harness the hardware, 360 games will be stripped down versions of PS3 titles because of the lesser power and DVD format. Also, PS3 has free online, a few great still exclusive franchises left. Plus, unlike the 360, they won't inevitably die within 2 years.

Still, PS2 sales won't keep making up for the PS3's current shortcomings forever. We can say "Give it some time", but if this hole gets deeper, Sony might be fucked.

[hammertime23]

Yeah my xbox 360 died and i got it for christmas this past year. now i'm getting a ps3.

[Hot_Spitta]

The bad thing about this is that you HAVE to buy the blu ray player as part of the ps3. To some this is not good because they buy a console for gaming, not movies.

Games come on Blu-Ray.

They didnt have to use blu ray discs to make next gen games, yet it was a great way to support their blu ray media. Unlike UMD, Beta Max, Mini Disc.... i think blu ray will be more popular then HD-DVD and stay around for a long time.

As far as the blu ray, they do give a ton of space to use. But fact is that the only games that will take full advantage of this storage space are the exclusive games for the ps3. Since most games are made for 360 then ported to ps3.

But i have always been kind of a PS3 guy and hardware wise the PS3 is more powerful. Also some great exclusives like MGS4 and Killzone 2 along with Haze.

Is that why NCAA Football runs 30 frames per sec on the PS3 and 60 frames per sec on the xbox 360? So far it seems like the ps3 being more powerful has turned out to be just a rumor. Many games run better and look better on the xbox 360 compared to the ps3. Although this is probably due to the fact that many games are made on the 360 and then ported to the ps3.

Give it a little time the new NCAA is running 60 frames a second not 30 and the new madden is running 60. It is just like the 360, they are still trying to figure out the hardware. Remember the first 360 games, they sucked.

[-Young Buck-]

With PS3's HOME comin out its a no-brainer

If you are buying a system based on that then you are buying one for the wrong reasons. Yes HOME looks cool, but it also looks like it will get old fast. Instead of jamming to music with your friends in HOME and watching some gay on screen character dance, get up, go outside, and hang out in real life. Home is just an excuse for those who dont have outside lives.

[cheater1034]

Curse you, how much did you sold your elite?

I'd take the PS3 just for Metal Gear Solid 4 and Star Wars: The Force Unleashed. But money-wise, I want to have a PC upgrade.

I sold the elite for $460 shipped

PS3 is better, I have both, I sold the elite before I opened it :-p (I got both for free, though)

I hope for your benefit that you at least have played xbox 360 before, otherwise you comments dont hold much substance.

I have played the xbox 360 before, not the elite, but a friend's premium quite often actually, and I'm not kidding when I say the only thing the xbox 360 has on the ps3 is games (which will come with time)

PS3 is more powerful hardware-wise to begin-with in addition to:
1) Blu-Ray
2) WiFI
3) Bluetooth controllers w/ sixaxis (i only used sixaxis in nba 2k7 shooting free throws, and motorstorm demo, for the motorstorm demo it's AWESOME, 2k7 it's average, I'd rather shoot with the analog)
4) Web Browser
5) Free online play (not as good, but still, for free?)

PS3 is sweet, it has blu-ray ($200 for hd dvd on xbox), it has wifi ($100 on xbox), it has hdmi 1.3 (elite is 1.2), and it has a web browser with free online gameplay.

The bad thing about this is that you HAVE to buy the blu ray player as part of the ps3. To some this is not good because they buy a console for gaming, not movies. The xbox HD-DVD player is only 180 now. Total price for HD-DVD with a Core system $480, Premium $530, and Elite $630. But you dont HAVE to buy the hd-DVD player with an xbox, which means you can go home with a next gen system for as little as 300 bucks. Now this is still a bit cheaper then the ps3. Sure its 500 bucks right now, but once those sell out, sony is going to hit the shelves with the 80GB, with a game for $600 once again. Which makes no sense because everyone from the start was complaining about the high price. Throwing in 20 more GB and a game isnt going to make me go out and buy one. Mind you that the elite comes with a 120gb hard drive. I guess its all personal prefrence. I dont have wifi connection so that didnt matter to me, and 1.2 vs 1.3 HDMI doesnt bother me either. Free online is nice, but its still not up to par with what xbox live is, and the quality it brings. If you are shelling out 500-600 bucks for a system im sure you can afford 50 bucks a year for online service.

Sony is appealing to the HD gaming market, unlike microsoft, built-in blu-ray allows for HD games/movies out of the box. Sony is appealing to the HD market though with blu-ray and their top notch hdmi port, microsoft isn't, partly because their system is 1 year older

Yeah, the elite comes with a 120gig hard drive, but for $80 you can get a 120 gig from newegg (any laptop hard drive), and replace it in the ps3 easily and it automatically formats. Sony doesn't care either, it's not voiding their warranty or anything.

So the price comparison, including 120gig hard drive in ps3 vs. hd dvd, wifi on x360, the ps3 is still cheaper.

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I don't usually rant about this stuff I just havent been online in awhile so why not?

I did complete the free sites and get both for free, so I was planning on keeping the xbox and buying wifi and an hd dvd player for $300, I figured a brand new hd dvd is $300 anyway, but then I decided might as well get a ps3

[-Young Buck-]

Yeah, the elite comes with a 120gig hard drive, but for $80 you can get a 120 gig from newegg (any laptop hard drive), and replace it in the ps3 easily and it automatically formats. Sony doesn't care either, it's not voiding their warranty or anything.

Yeah but you are still paying 600 for a PS3 and you want me to shell out 80 bucks more to get a 120gb hard drive. Thats 680 compared to 450 for an HDMI next gen gaming machine with 120gb hard drive. $230 dollars less. Yeah it wont play blu ray or hddvds but i dont care, i buy a gaming system to play games.

On a side note, the $500 dollar ps3s wont last long, and then you will have to buy a $600 dollar ps3 all over again. Is 20gb more and a crappy game worth 100 bucks more? Not really. I bought my xbox for 400, and got a free 100 dollar gift card. So i essentially paid only 300. PS3 at 600 is a no fly zone for me. at 500 i would be interested but still out of my range. IF they sold it for 400 i would probably pick one up, but i dont see that happening for a long time.

[maceo24]

I dont understand how anyone can complain about paying 50 beans a year for xbox live. Do the math people, its 4 bucks and change, PER MONTH. Thats cheaper the a McDonalds Value meal these days.

Im completely unconcerned with either system's ability to display HD content, as I, and 85 percent of the demographic these systems are sold to, do not have it either. I see the PS3 as an Benz S500, the 360 as the Infiniti M. No one is doubting the power, class, and style of a benz, but for 40 grand cheaper, I can have a car that looks, feels, and performs at the same level, and still pick up a Mini Cooper (Wii...) with the money I would have saved.

[[Q]]

On a side note, the $500 dollar ps3s wont last long, and then you will have to buy a $600 dollar ps3 all over again. Is 20gb more and a crappy game worth 100 bucks more? Not really. I bought my xbox for 400, and got a free 100 dollar gift card. So i essentially paid only 300. PS3 at 600 is a no fly zone for me. at 500 i would be interested but still out of my range. IF they sold it for 400 i would probably pick one up, but i dont see that happening for a long time.

However, the $500 ps3 is still widely available so if you ever wanted one, now is the time to get it. with the elite at $480 US and ps3 at $500 US... an extra $20 for a blu-ray player and free online gaming, I'll take it any day. Plus, retailers have been going crazy trying to sell the ps3s too. The first week that it went to $500, Circuit City gave away a free controller with it. There's a promo from Sony right now if you buy a ps3 or any blu-ray player, you get 5 free blu-ray movies (although shitty ones, they're still free)

So Young Buck you got a great point, but I'd save your argument for when they stop selling the ps3 60 GB package because right now you don't have much of a case.

[-Young Buck-]

I also heard that the PS3 might remove backwards compatible for future systems to save on cost, and be able to lower the price. But who knows. You are right, i might be coming into 100 bucks, so i could use that towards a 500 PS3, and get a store discount, and get it for about 475.00.

[benji]

I also heard that the PS3 might remove backwards compatible for future systems to save on cost, and be able to lower the price.

I'm not going to wander too far into these fanboy comments to correct them.

I do want to talk about what I quoted though. Sony removed the EE+GS from all future PS3 models (and all of them in Europe), essentially they had just put a PS2 inside the PS3 (like they put a PS1 in the PS2). To lower costs, they are now leaving that hardware out and emulating all backwards compatability.

It did lower the number of backwards compatible games, but it's still 75+% of all PS1 and PS2 games. Can't say that for Xbox 360 still. Sony is committed, like on the PS2, to achieve 98% compatibility. Recent updates I believe added plenty more games, along with the 1080p upscaling.

All that text to say, Sony is not removing the backwards compatibility, but changed the method

[-Young Buck-]

I also heard that the PS3 might remove backwards compatible for future systems to save on cost, and be able to lower the price.

I'm not going to wander too far into these fanboy comments to correct them.

I do want to talk about what I quoted though. Sony removed the EE+GS from all future PS3 models (and all of them in Europe), essentially they had just put a PS2 inside the PS3 (like they put a PS1 in the PS2). To lower costs, they are now leaving that hardware out and emulating all backwards compatability.

It did lower the number of backwards compatible games, but it's still 75+% of all PS1 and PS2 games. Can't say that for Xbox 360 still. Sony is committed, like on the PS2, to achieve 98% compatibility. Recent updates I believe added plenty more games, along with the 1080p upscaling.

All that text to say, Sony is not removing the backwards compatibility, but changed the method

Im not really a fanboy, before i had my xbox 360 i had a PS2 and never touched a Xbox. I had PSone before that. To me it just doesnt seem like sony knows what they are doing. Which is why i went to xbox 360, a year after it launched too. I was set on buying a PS3, but i changed my mind as time went on.

As far as the BC stuff, i am only saying what i heard. It could i have been just a rumor, i dont really keep up with sony stuff since i dont own one. But i do frequent gaming sites so i do read a bit on it. I heard that they were completelt taking out BC option, not replacing it with other methods. But if i do buy a ps3, i would really hope that it has BC, because PS2 had some great games. As far as Xbox360 BC list, it keeps growing over time. In fact they just updated it not too long ago. However like i said before, i never touched the xbox, so i dont really care for BC on Xbox 360.

[benji]

As far as the BC stuff, i am only saying what i heard. It could i have been just a rumor, i dont really keep up with sony stuff since i dont own one. But i do frequent gaming sites so i do read a bit on it. I heard that they were completelt taking out BC option, not replacing it with other methods. But if i do buy a ps3, i would really hope that it has BC, because PS2 had some great games. As far as Xbox360 BC list, it keeps growing over time. In fact they just updated it not too long ago. However like i said before, i never touched the xbox, so i dont really care for BC on Xbox 360.

I'd really love to see your sources on that one...I think you just read it wrong.

Sony already spent the time and money making the switch to emulation, I have no idea why they would abandon emulation (which is free now) so soon after making the switch.

Psch, ignoring Xbox BC. There are tons of great games you can get used for under $10 now. Xbox has more great games than 360 at this point. (Just like Wii and PS3...GCN and PS2 have tons of great cheap games for them.)

[-Young Buck-]

I never said xbox didnt have good games, i bought lego star wars 1 for xbox and played that on my xbox 360. The only bad thing is there are no achievements for xbox games. I know they arent that important, but its fun to unlock them(and im used to it now), and when you beat the game, it usually gives a game more life because you can try to obtain these achievements even after you complete a game.

[cheater1034]

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Sony is removing the hardware emulation, it will be software emulation in the 80gb, just like microsoft is cheap and did software emulation.

You're missing the point though, $580 for a ps3 + 120gig hard drive (95% of people won't use more than 60gb on a console anyway), is still cheaper than an elite with a crappy hdmi port (1.2 versus 1.3 on the ps3), ability to playback movies in HD ($200 for hd dvd player, a brand new player is $200 <-- so it's not a good value at all anymore), and $100 for wifi which there's no excuse for not having in the system, , and there's still no way to get a web browser.

so $580 > $780, ps3 is cheaper in the end.

I have no interest in the microsoft hd dvd player because it's an ugly external drive, I might as well buy a new dedicated hd dvd player for $250.

Most people who go online require wifi though, even the wii has wifi, microsoft is just a cheap a$$ company, especially for charging $100, that's ridiculous. WiFI is a MUST, unless your system is close to your router where you can run ethernet, but I run mine on my hd tv in my living room, my router is in my basement, it's not worth running cable through the floor.

Also, a web browser isn't required, but again, even the wii has one, and it has come in handy for me, I want to look something up and I don't have to go down stairs to do it.

the 80gb ps3 sucks, I would never spend $100 for 20gb and downgraded ps2 emulation.

Just about everybody has an hdtv now, if not, just about everyone's next TV will be a HD LCD/Plasma/Projection. Ps3 is a better value, it's geared towards HD, microsoft is geared towards money?

I don't understand how there's an argument, the ps3 is a better value than the x360 any way you slice it, the $50 price cut isn't going to help much either.

Recap: (X360 with comparable, but still less god features = $780, ps3 with blu-ray, wifi, hdmi 1.3, better CPU/GPU - $500 (I don't need a 120 gig hard drive, not many people do unless you use the system as a media center or pirate games to it)

Or in my case, ps3 = free :-p