Saddam Executed

[Riot]

Sometimes I just think USA is doing too much...

That's better than 99% of the world who can be accused of doing too little.

What is USA doing in Iraq?

Installing a democracy and overthrowing a tyrant ruler. I know you are probably bored with this plotline by now but this process is still going on. We will wake you up when the sequel comes out, mkay?

Weren't they suppose to be in Afghanistan finding bin Laden?

Um...we are in still in Afghanistan and we still are looking for Osama. We still have troops dying in Afghanistan so it is kind of embarassing that you don't understand that we can fight a war in numerous different locations.

And Saddam didn't have any chemical massive killing weapon right?

Not that have been found. I think it is safe to say that if we didn't invade Iraq Saddam would have weapons of mass destruction.

If USA is doing this to Iraq and Saddam, why not to North Korea's Kim de?

You know what? God damn! That is a great idea. Get your boots and lets go invade North Korea right now. Fuck! Let's also go into Iran and Syria while we are at it. This is going to be a fun time. We should install the draft and make women and children fight, too!

You amaze me.

Questions from a 16 year old Hong Konger

Are all Hong Kongers (wtf?) this clueless and stupid?

[cklitsie]

Not that have been found. I think it is safe to say that if we didn't invade Iraq Saddam would have weapons of mass destruction.

Are all Americans this clueless and stupid?
What kinda reasoning is that? I think I'm gonna kill this dude across the street now because I'm pretty sure he's gonna committ a crime one day..

ps. death penalty sucks, not saying Saddam was a good man but it does.

[dada]

You can go to www.cnn.com and find a video of them putting the noose around his neck. Other than that there seems to not be any out yet of the actual act.

[Cloudy]

Riot, what do you base your stuff on? Safe to say?

What do you mean installing democracy... Iraqi's life were much better before the ridiculous war USA started.. You bombed every freakin' thing just to find where Saddam is. Then you set up a biased govt in Iraq calling it democracy and free.

Bush jsut loves war, wanting to continue his father's work.

All I want to say is... What's that gotta do with USA?! Did they fire some missile and kill anybody?

"There was no evidence that Iraq was ever an imminent threat to the United States, the CIA director [George Tenet] has said so, there was no evidence that Iraq ever had--was about to acquire nuclear weapons, as Vice President Cheney said. The administration admitted that wasn't true. There was no evidence, as President Bush said a year ago, that Iraq was buying uranium from Africa. They subsequently admitted that wasn't true. This administration did not tell the truth about why we went to Iraq."

[Riot]

Riot, what do you base your stuff on? Safe to say?

Considering Saddam's past history of not only acquring but using chemical weapons on humanity I think it's fairly safe to say that as soon as the sanctions were released he would go back to being the same ruthless dictator that he always has been. In fact, he admitted to having weapons of mass destruction in the late 1990's and never proved to the world that he no longer had them. I base my stuff on history and facts. Saddam has had weapons of mass destruction. Saddam has used weapons of mass destruction.

What do you mean installing democracy... Iraqi's life were much better before the ridiculous war USA started.. You bombed every freakin' thing just to find where Saddam is. Then you set up a biased govt in Iraq calling it democracy and free.

Then why are Iraqi's dancing the streets because Saddam is dead? Why did they cheer for U.S. and ally forces when we first invaded Iraq? The Iraqi's desperately wanted to be free from Saddam's rule. The fact that you can't see that is ridiculous. If you believe ending the reign of an awful, terrible mass murderer to be ridiculous then I believe me and you simply don't see on an eye to eye level.

Bush jsut loves war, wanting to continue his father's work.

Yes...President Bush called for the attacks on the World Trade Center, U.S. Embassies and naval ships so he could fight. You are stupid. For some reason people seem to have this idea that the enemy really isn't there but it is. It is a threat and we have to deal with it. This isn't a movie. This isn't a game. There are people who want to hurt us and it's only natural to stand up and fight back. Word?

All I want to say is... What's that gotta do with USA?! Did they fire some missile and kill anybody?

We have been attacked time and time again by Islamic terrorists because of the way we live our lives. As far as I can tell this has pretty much everything to do with the United States. I really can't find any missing link between that. Can you?

"There was no evidence that Iraq was ever an imminent threat to the United States, the CIA director [George Tenet] has said so, there was no evidence that Iraq ever had--was about to acquire nuclear weapons, as Vice President Cheney said. The administration admitted that wasn't true. There was no evidence, as President Bush said a year ago, that Iraq was buying uranium from Africa. They subsequently admitted that wasn't true. This administration did not tell the truth about why we went to Iraq."

There were actually many reasons why the United States went to War with Iraq and believe it or not it's not all centered around weapons of mass destruction. But since we are on that topic let me spell something out to you really quick. Saddam has had weapons of mass destruction. Saddam has used weapons of mass destruction. Saddam claimed he had weapons of mass destruction. Saddam kicked out weapons inspectors. Saddam refused to prove he destroyed his weapons of mass destruction. If you put all of those together along with the fact that America was starting a very big war against Islamic terrorists in the Middle East it is fairly obvious that Saddam was a threat to our troops, our country and the people in the Middle East.

Your serve.

[Jing]

Hm. finally happened. Interesting.

[Ryan]

Saddam has had weapons of mass destruction. Saddam has used weapons of mass destruction

And where did he get them from?

[Axel]

What is USA doing in Iraq? Weren't they suppose to be in Afghanistan finding bin Laden?

I think most American's would like to know the answer to that question as well. Regardless though, Bush did invade Iraq, and since we did go follow through and capture Saddam, I'm glad he's being executed. Despite the fact that he never had WMD's, he was a dictator, and a serial killer. He deserves to face justice, regardless of America's place in the matter.

What kinda reasoning is that? I think I'm gonna kill this dude across the street now because I'm pretty sure he's gonna committ a crime one day..

That's just stupid. For the same reasons said above, Saddam was not an innocent man. He may not have had WMD's , but he was a dictator and a serial killer. He killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

If USA is doing this to Iraq and Saddam, why not to North Korea's Kim dude

Most of America would like an answer to that question.

[Buckley]

صدام حسين عبد المجيد التكريتي‎ got what he deserved. About time.

[benji]

The video is available...I'm not going to post a link, but it's out there...

I don't want to get into this too much because fixing ignorance is tiring but...a few things...

Iraqi's life were much better before the ridiculous war USA started.

First, I think the 300,000 put in mass graves and their relatives would probably disagree with that statement.

Secondly, the United States didn't start the war. Saddam started it when he invaded and conquered Kuwait.

the CIA director [George Tenet] has said so,

Heh. "Slam Dunk" indeed.

There was no evidence, as President Bush said a year ago, that Iraq was buying uranium from Africa. They subsequently admitted that wasn't true.

Actually, they didn't, because it was true. When you send representatives to Nigeria which has two exports, goats and uranium, you're usually not in the market for goats.

That fame whore, Joe Wilson's report indicated that Iraq WAS persuing uranium acquisition from Nigeria. Not the other way around as the folk tale goes.

This administration did not tell the truth about why we went to Iraq

That's actually a unspoken question. Whoever you quoted, and you yourself doesn't want to try to answer it. If the Bush and Clinton Administrations both said Saddam had WMD or at least programs for WMDs, and the Clinton Administration made it official US policy to remove Saddam, and the subsequent Bush Administration enacted that policy and we found out Saddam was further along in his programs than we thought but had no stockpiles of WMDs, that doesn't mean the Bush Administration didn't tell the truth.

The ENTIRE WORLD believed Saddam possessed stockpiles of WMDs. That's what Saddam led us all to believe. That turned out to be wrong.

Being wrong doesn't mean you lied. Last year before the season I said the Spurs would win the title. They didn't. I didn't lie, I was wrong.

Famous Rumsfeld Image

Actually, Iraq got most of it's stuff from the Soviet Union. But that's completely irrelevant to the disingenuous argument people make by saying "but the US gave him weapons!!!"

The argument you're making is that because the US gave Saddam a few things back in the early 80s, nearly 25 years later they cannot remove the man from power when he's become a thorn in the side. There's no logical point to be made from bringing it up. Do you want us to acknowledge giving him anything was a mistake? It was and we have. It was also a mistake to not end the war against Saddam in 1991.

I guess I wasn't aware you aren't allowed to correct past mistakes...

WMD Found Hanging from Rope in Iraq
by Scott Ott

(2006-12-30) — The Pentagon announced this morning that a weapon of mass destruction (WMD) was found today in Baghdad, hanging from a rope on a platform.

“This particular WMD,” a Pentagon spokesman said, “is known to have killed thousands of Iraqis, as well as Iranians, Kuwaitis and some U.S. troops.”

The weapon is described as “a nasty, corrosive agent which kills indiscriminately and without warning.”

“A lot of folks — including Hans Blix, the United Nations and the Democrats — said there were no WMD in Iraq,” the Pentagon source said. “Perhaps they were just looking in all the wrong places.”

According to Iraqi government sources, the WMD has been contained, neutralized and prepared for burial.

[cyanide]

WMD Found Hanging from Rope in Iraq
by Scott Ott

(2006-12-30) — The Pentagon announced this morning that a weapon of mass destruction (WMD) was found today in Baghdad, hanging from a rope on a platform.

“This particular WMD,” a Pentagon spokesman said, “is known to have killed thousands of Iraqis, as well as Iranians, Kuwaitis and some U.S. troops.”

The weapon is described as “a nasty, corrosive agent which kills indiscriminately and without warning.”

“A lot of folks — including Hans Blix, the United Nations and the Democrats — said there were no WMD in Iraq,” the Pentagon source said. “Perhaps they were just looking in all the wrong places.”

According to Iraqi government sources, the WMD has been contained, neutralized and prepared for burial.

Good to see a humorous side from you at times, benji.

[Joe']

I'm glad Saddam is dead and I'm glad he was killed in Iraq, but I found the method of the execution (hanging) a little primitive: medieval age was a loooooong time ago, god damn. Put him on the chair and turn the electricity on.

[paseo85]

Its really sad that civilians and soldiers, had to lose their life just to see one man hang its kind of sick if you ask me, but just my opinion.

[Riot]

Its really sad that civilians and soldiers, had to lose their life just to see one man hang its kind of sick if you ask me, but just my opinion.

Yes...because now that he is dead we can all pack up and leave. Our troops are already on their way home!

Some people just don't get it.

[Matt]

i saw the video....not exactly graphic or anything.

[Axel]

Me too. It was kind of low res, and I think the videographer (word?) was doing the kneel to allah thing, or something because the camera kept going to the ground, and people sounded like they were chanting. But at least it showed the platform collapsing beneath him; that was more than enough for me

[Gundy]

Here it is for those who want to see it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... tion&hl=en

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Just like everything else, it will eventually come out in HD

[dada]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9493777363

Heres another since the other isnt working.

[shadowgrin]

I found the method of the execution (hanging) a little primitive: medieval age was a loooooong time ago, god damn. Put him on the chair and turn the electricity on.

Why waste electricity when there's a good sturdy rope lying around?

[nets4life]

shoulda tortured him IMO, owell atleast the bastard is dead

[Sac-1]

Why did they have to say such things to him just before death. Just let him die.

[el badman]

Okay, some people here really think they know it all, while they're in fact ignorant as fuck...
I'm mostly gonna quote one person, but that probably applies to others as well.

Considering Saddam's past history of not only acquring but using chemical weapons on humanity I think it's fairly safe to say that as soon as the sanctions were released he would go back to being the same ruthless dictator that he always has been. In fact, he admitted to having weapons of mass destruction in the late 1990's and never proved to the world that he no longer had them. I base my stuff on history and facts. Saddam has had weapons of mass destruction. Saddam has used weapons of mass destruction.

Actually, Iraq got most of it's stuff from the Soviet Union. But that's completely irrelevant to the disingenuous argument people make by saying "but the US gave him weapons!!!"

The argument you're making is that because the US gave Saddam a few things back in the early 80s, nearly 25 years later they cannot remove the man from power when he's become a thorn in the side. There's no logical point to be made from bringing it up. Do you want us to acknowledge giving him anything was a mistake? It was and we have. It was also a mistake to not end the war against Saddam in 1991.

You really must be brain dead, I feel bad for you...
"because the US gave Saddam a few things"?? "no logical point to be made from bringing that up"?? So what Saddamn used for his war against Iran (that the US considered as the part of the infamous "axis of evil" ), and to exterminate the Kurds was just a few things, right? The US were not the only ones, true, but their support to Irak was still substantial, just like they supported Pinochet who had tens of thousands killed in Chile, and countless other dictators. So, according to your sig, all of that was "defending freedom"?

Also, you never wondered why they decided to execute Saddam a month earlier (besides allowing the Bush administration to announce some "good news" to their people a couple of days before the end of the year - the good ol' propaganda they've always used)? since you're apparently so informed, you probably know that officially he's been sentenced for killing something like 160 people in the 80's. 160?? It didn't cross your mind that the US (and other western countries) didn't want the trial to mention that the hundreds of thousands, mainly Kurds, who were actually killed under his regime, could be linked to the chemical weapons that papa Bush and his predecessor sold to Irak? Maybe you think that the trial was fair and not manipulated by the US?
These facts will probably not pierce through the desperately thick membrane of your pitiful republican brain, but just in case...

You know what? God damn! That is a great idea. Get your boots and lets go invade North Korea right now. Fuck! Let's also go into Iran and Syria while we are at it. This is going to be a fun time. We should install the draft and make women and children fight, too!

Because you don't think that Iran or Syria are already on the radar? Stop watching Fox news and get your head out of your ass for a sec...
So involving American women and children in this war would be ridiculous, but killing many more Iraki women and children every day is fine, right? cuz after all, it's mission accomplished...

The ENTIRE WORLD believed Saddam possessed stockpiles of WMDs. That's what Saddam led us all to believe. That turned out to be wrong.

Being wrong doesn't mean you lied. Last year before the season I said the Spurs would win the title. They didn't. I didn't lie, I was wrong.

No, the US and their "allies" went to war because they claimed they had the proof that Irak had WMD, THAT'S a lie. And if they still did have some, they might sill have the receipts signed by Rumsfeld and co...

I don't want to get into this too much because fixing ignorance is tiring but...a few things...

Yeah, gotta agree with that, especially when you realize that people like you will always deny the facts anyway...

Well, I hardly forsee many differences now than since he was caught; other than, yes, in theory, that we can say consoling things like, "This is all behind us now." and "we can now focus on moving forward" when in reality, that's not really saying much at all... ya dig?

Thanks bighOrt for being one sane person in this ocean of stupidity...Indeed, it's not gonna change anything except making things worse, since Saddam is now more than ever a martyr for the extremists.

[Oznogrd]

Not commenting on this war stuff, me benji and riot have gone at it, if you wanna see the proof check out the thread about Iraq war "negated".

That being said it is time for my views on the saddam execution and hopefully it'll surprise some people here.

I just watched the video, the whole time thinking: why am i watching this shit? Why do i want to see this? Plain and simple: whether or not you agree with why the US went to war on this occasion or not: Saddam is one of those people on Earth who is a hazard to the 6 billion and change others. He was a sick despotic fuck who killed people for no other reason than they didnt worship the almighty in the exact same way. Secularism at its worst. He needed to go and I think pretty much everyone saw it coming.

That being said:hanging? what the fuck? I know they're trying to make this grandiose uniting thing out of this; but there are about 50,000 types of guns in that area right now im' sure. Cant we just make it simple, and put a bullet through his head? Apparently not.

To the people bitching about what was viewed as "taunting" by the executioner: I want you to look inside yourself here and tell me something. If you knew the guy you got to pull the lever on had killed scores of people; families, women, children, cripples etc.; you would not be the least bit inclined to murmur a little "see you in hell?" If you say no, think about the person and things in your life that make you happy. Then think of it all being gone. Now multiply it times 100 to get an idea of how non-followers feel about him. Can you honestly still say you wouldnt've taunted him? i think not. Saddam did not get any RIP because he did not deserve it. if there is a judeochristian idea of hell; he's in it and i hope whatever powers control that have it turned up nice and hot.

And now for the biggest dilemma: anyone watching the news in the past 2 days should know this might've been a mistake to do this early. Once again dont get me wrong, i think he needed to be gone and him sitting on death row for 20 years doesnt change his wrongdoings and his punishment. But we just made him a martyr for the insurgency. Things are now going to get even worse before they get better. I'm not going to start anything by making common overused references because they've already been made. I'm going to suffice it to say history repeats itself and to most of the rest of the world; america looks like a bunch of asses. I can accept that though, part of the world's always gonna hate those with power. I just wish we didnt keep encouraging our hatred to become worse everyday. If we're going to stand up and fight and to steal an image of Robin Williams' "have the Statue of Liberty holding a baseball bat yelling 'ya want a piece of me?'" we need to accept and handle the repercussions or we're going to fall harder than any country ever has or will again.

To end this i'm going to quote the Tao Te Ching-
"A great nation is like a great man: when he makes a mistake, he realizes it. Having realized it, he admits it. Having admitted it, he corrects it. He considers those who point out his faults as his most benevolent teachers. He thinks of his enemy as the shadow that he himself casts."

[hipn]

Ok I have no idea if this is real or not, but whatever...

I saw a video, of Saddam talking with the people who hung him, and they were just talking as if they were friends, and it all seemsed setup... not sure where the vid is but I'll try to find it.

Ok here is the site: http://www.saddamisnotdead.com/?p=3

Probably fake, who knows...