UK terror plot foiled

[cyanide]

So you support terrorism? You think it is the power of Allah to kill Americans? Is that what I'm hearing?

Oh Riot, don't be such an 8-Hype.

[Riot]

So you support terrorism? You think it is the power of Allah to kill Americans? Is that what I'm hearing?

Oh Riot, don't be such an 8-Hype.

Answer my question. You defended Dro, who justifies terrorism. Isn't that the same thing as defending Osama Bin Laden? Is it true you like Osama?

[#12]

here on the seattle news, it says you can not bring water but you can bring breast milk

[Dro]

So you support terrorism? You think it is the power of Allah to kill Americans? Is that what I'm hearing?

Oh Riot, don't be such an 8-Hype.

Answer my question. You defended Dro, who justifies terrorism. Isn't that the same thing as defending Osama Bin Laden? Is it true you like Osama?

Riot, when did I justify terrorism? I justify people defending their land, who are unfairly called terrorists. I don't need to explain that further. Do I justify people blowing themselves up? No, my feelings for those kinds of people are just as strong as yours.

[8-Hype]

PLEASE never say I try to justify terrorism, because I don't.

I am seriously sorry, and I promise that this will not happen again.

I think a wink suggest sarcasm more than sincerity. I think it's just absolutely shameful for you to make a comment like that to Dro

I am serious about that. I even sent him a PM with a personal apology.

[Mayerhendrix]

Defending their land by blowing up people on American soil?

The war on terror, the so called American-occupation, is a response to so many threats to security made by the region. Threats of weapons of mass destruction, 9/11, USS Cole, earlier World Trade Center bombing.

[cyanide]

Answer my question. You defended Dro, who justifies terrorism. Isn't that the same thing as defending Osama Bin Laden? Is it true you like Osama?

I defended Dro because he does not justify terrorism, after 8-Hype, and now you, accused him of justifying terrorism.

As for myself, I'm against terrorism and Osama bin Laden. I feel like I'm in the Joseph McCarthy era.

Relax.

[Riot]

Riot, when did I justify terrorism? I justify people defending their land, who are unfairly called terrorists. I don't need to explain that further. Do I justify people blowing themselves up? No, my feelings for those kinds of people are just as strong as yours.

I didn't realize bombing a Jewish Community Center in Argentina was a a move to defend their land. You don't support terrorism yet you support a group that has been founded by terrorism. Hezbollah has carried out numerous attacks against Americans and other innocent people around the globe (Argentinos or whatever they are called). Their motto is "Death to America!" and their leader has openly talked about his hatred for Jewish people.

But you are right...it's all justified terror, right?

[Riot]

Answer my question. You defended Dro, who justifies terrorism. Isn't that the same thing as defending Osama Bin Laden? Is it true you like Osama?

I defended Dro because he does not justify terrorism, after 8-Hype, and now you, accused him of justifying terrorism.

As for myself, I'm against terrorism and Osama bin Laden.

Relax.

That post was meant to be more of a joke. I was trying out my Stephen Colbertesque skillz. I need some more fine tuning but it's getting there. So, don't take those comments with a grain of salt. I was just making up stuff to fit my agenda, something that Mr. Colbert taught me. As you can see, it works wonders with Canadians.

[cyanide]

At first I thought you were joking with your original post, which is why I responded with "Oh Riot..." then with the second one, I thought it was your inner patriotism talking, soooo

I don't have time to watch the Colbert Report

[8-Hype]

I defended Dro because he does not justify terrorism, after 8-Hype, and now you, accused him of justifying terrorism.

I personally apologized. Dro, check your PM.

[Silas]

You should watch the Colbert Report. It's basically just a half hour of hilarious mocking of Bill O'Reily and other loud right wingers, and religious right wingers especially.

[Riot]

Cyanide, you should watch some of these videos. The interviews on the Colbert Report are the best. Here are a few good ones.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dOIXlfR69sE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KOe09YHVvCs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1sy8zDnyNOo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cti-WclBP-U

[Dro]

Riot, when did I justify terrorism? I justify people defending their land, who are unfairly called terrorists. I don't need to explain that further. Do I justify people blowing themselves up? No, my feelings for those kinds of people are just as strong as yours.

I didn't realize bombing a Jewish Community Center in Argentina was a a move to defend their land. You don't support terrorism yet you support a group that has been founded by terrorism. Hezbollah has carried out numerous attacks against Americans and other innocent people around the globe (Argentinos or whatever they are called). Their motto is "Death to America!" and their leader has openly talked about his hatred for Jewish people.

But you are right...it's all justified terror, right?

There are bad things Hezbollah has done. That's a fact, and I condemn all those acts. However, there is a lot of good things (in my opinion of course) that Hezbollah is doing. Based on yours (and nearly everybody elses) logic, the US army would be a terrorist group. There have been incidents of atrocities in Iraq, murders, rape, etc. But that doesn't make the US army a terrorist group. Also using your logic, the state of Israel is a terrorist group. As I explained to you on AIM, Israel was founded on the basis of Zionists, who committed MANY (and still do) atrocities. I even sent you a link with a pretty comprehensive list, but I doubt you read it.

However, because Hezbollah is an Arab group, they're considered terrorists, while Israel is not, because they're considered part of the "West". It's all a matter of point-of-view.

On the other hand, a group like Al Qaeda is 100% a terrorist group. They don't defend anyone's rights. They don't help their people. They hide behind a cloak of Islam to try and justify their actions, and it gives all Muslims a bad name. Anybody affiliated with Al Qaeda can go to hell, I don't care who they are.

8-Hype, thanks for the PM dawg

[Matthew]

Terrorism:
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
(dictionary.com)

You compare the (alleged) rape by soldiers to terrorism. While they are (im assuming they happeend) very bad, they aren't terrorist acts by the definition of the word. You compare that to the actions that Hezbollah takes, and using the definition of terrorism and you can see there is a difference in motives at least between Hezbollah and the Isreali/ American army.

[benji]

However, there is a lot of good things (in my opinion of course) that Hezbollah is doing.

Like what? Being killed by Israeli forces?

Based on yours (and nearly everybody elses) logic, the US army would be a terrorist group. There have been incidents of atrocities in Iraq, murders, rape, etc. But that doesn't make the US army a terrorist group. Also using your logic, the state of Israel is a terrorist group.

Terrorists do not consider military and civilian targets different, they deliberately target civilians. Western militaries take great pains to limit civilian casualties in military operations even to a point where it threatens those operations.

Zionists

Heh.

However, because Hezbollah is an Arab group, they're considered terrorists, while Israel is not, because they're considered part of the "West". It's all a matter of point-of-view.

Well, one is a democratic country that often needs to defend itself occasionally accidently killing civilians in that defense, the other is a terrorism wing of the Revolutionary Guard that fires missles into civilian targets, blows up buildings, takes hostages, use civilians as shields, etc.

Anyway, people attempting to polish images of barbarians aside.

This plot was similar to the Project Bojinka plot of the mid 90's. Which is most likely why the US government feels they are certain it was an al-Qaeda plot.

Speaking of Bojinka. It's really should be the smoking gun that ties Iraq to 9/11. What with Ramzi Yousef, an IIS agent, hooking up with Khalid Shaikh Mohammed who would later be the operational head of al-Qaeda changing it from a guerilla operation into global terrorists. Of course, Yousef also met Terry Nichols numerous times in the 90s in the Phillipines.

Sigh...those wacky Islamists and their antics...nevertheless, I'm not anxious for August 22nd.

[Dro]

Sigh...those wacky Islamic fascists and their antics...nevertheless, I'm not anxious for August 22nd.

Do you watch the Glenn Beck Show? Or did you hear about that elsewhere.

[benji]

As great as that drug addict can be, I do not watch his program. It (and commentary on it) has been on countless locations across the web after Ahmadinejad's comments. (I don't watch TV for news/commentary/etc. aside from Mr. Colbert of course.) Though I do question whether or not it truly correlates to a Muslim calender date.

It's true Iranian officials are backing off of that slightly. However, I think the evidence is there that it may have been an unintentional slip of the Poison Dwarf's tongue.

I mean with Iran's Hezbollah sparking a conflict, the foiled plots in Britian and Germany that were slated to occur around that date. We have the Iranian tentacles setup and warring in Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Iraq.

Seems like a run-up for the war Iran is going to inflame.

Which is why one isn't anxious for August 22nd in any regard. After all our leaders have shifted to trying to find a "peace in our time" instead of taking care of things as in Afghanistan and Iraq. Somewhat like smashing Spain and removing Mussolini would be, while Hitler still wouldn't be defanged.

Sad that the world leaders don't grasp the solution to the "Lebanon crisis" is the same as the solution to the "Iranian crisis", seems realism didn't die on 9/11 after all. Seems like barbarian appeasement didn't die at the Polish border. It's discomforting.

On the other hand, August 22nd would still fall on Bush's watch. Not to mention our good friends in Blair and Howard. And maybe a new good friend in the frozen wasteland to the north. With B&B on the way out soon, one hopes they heed Lincoln's words in an August some 142 years ago. We can't count on their successors to see things through.

[cklitsie]

Damn.. I flew from Cardiff to Amsterdam yesterday, I had to put my important stuff in those special plastic bags too.

When we got to the airport in Cardiff I got the worst migraine attack I've ever had in my life and it actually made me cry, couldn't stop it. So I went to the bathrooms to take some medicins and two kinda SWAT guys came in packed with guns and they saw me with a water bottle, some kind of powder (the medicins) and tears in my eyes. That must've looked really suspicious, I was kinda afraid they wouldn't understand it were medicins because the package was in Dutch and they would arrest me or something like that.
They made me write my address on this paper too, not sure why though.

[Username123]

Israel is a terrorist state. The U.S. funds them to buy military equipment/weapons. Hezbollah is there in Lebanon to protect, they are running hospitals, they are guarding houses (i know that because my dad's friend came to Canada before everything erupted in Lebanon). Israel deliberately attacks civilians and says its an accident. Israel has enough innocent Palestinians/Lebanese in its prisons. People around the world are watching whats happening, and average Joe's don't have f-15's and tanks so the only thing they can do is fucked up shit like blowing up planes.

[Drex]

They made me write my address on this paper too, not sure why though.

They're coming to get you, CK! j/k

[benji]

Israel is a terrorist state. The U.S. funds them to buy military equipment/weapons. Hezbollah is there in Lebanon to protect, they are running hospitals, they are guarding houses (i know that because my dad's friend came to Canada before everything erupted in Lebanon). Israel deliberately attacks civilians and says its an accident. Israel has enough innocent Palestinians/Lebanese in its prisons. People around the world are watching whats happening, and average Joe's don't have f-15's and tanks so the only thing they can do is fucked up shit like blowing up planes.

And this kind of mindless ignorant thinking is why Islamist terrorism continues to thrive...

Let's hope those "terrorist states" slaughter the "innocent peaceful helpers" and "average Joe's" before they hug us all to death. It's getting too sickening to listen to people siding with barbarians anymore.

[8-Hype]

And this kind of mindless ignorant thinking is why Islamist terrorism continues to thrive...

Let's hope those "terrorist states" slaughter the "innocent peaceful helpers" and "average Joe's" before they hug us all to death. It's getting too sickening to listen to people siding with barbarians anymore.

Give it up, Benji. There's no chance you will have a productive talk with this guy.

However, there is a lot of good things (in my opinion of course) that Hezbollah is doing.

Israel is a terrorist state. The U.S. funds them to buy military equipment/weapons. Hezbollah is there in Lebanon to protect, they are running hospitals, they are guarding houses (i know that because my dad's friend came to Canada before everything erupted in Lebanon). Israel deliberately attacks civilians and says its an accident.

You are one more down-and-out, Wisdom. How can you say this? Deliberately? Do you even know why Hezbollah runs everything? So that people will be grateful for what Hezbollah did and support them in everything they will do. And of course people of a nation who constantly get aid and assistance from a certain organization will always support that organization, in good and bad times. That's why the Lebanese people are not at odds with Hezbollah.

It has been discussed in the other thread, but you obviously seem to disregard all of it. Benji was right, with ignorant people like you it isn't possible to conduct a discussion.

I didn't realize bombing a Jewish Community Center in Argentina was a a move to defend their land. You don't support terrorism yet you support a group that has been founded by terrorism. Hezbollah has carried out numerous attacks against Americans and other innocent people around the globe (Argentinos or whatever they are called). Their motto is "Death to America!" and their leader has openly talked about his hatred for Jewish people.

But you are right...it's all justified terror, right?

Riot, you are absolutely right. They are the ones who kill deliberately, and as long as they make a profit with their actions, they don't care who they kill and who gets killed.

[Dro]

Riot, you are absolutely right. They are the ones who kill deliberately, and as long as they make a profit with their actions, they don't care who they kill and who gets killed.

Wait a second. Since when has Hezbollah made a profit from killing people? American politicians make profits off killing people. Oil companies make profits off killing people.

[Matthew]

Funny how you refuse to respond to anything Ben says...