About gay pepole, to be precise.

[Silas]

I laugh at the people who say they're for gay rights but against gay marriage.

I'm all for guns myself I just want to ban the bullets.

Seriousy though, its a simple choice to make, either your a homophobic bigot or your not.

[air gordon]

there was a "gay" thread before... maybe a year or 2 ago. but i have no problem that another one like this resurfaced

to answer your question, lpasso -

i do have some gay friends as well as gay cousins. Most of them are out of the closet- I'm very happy for them to be open/comfortable with their sexuality. i've been to a few gay bars with them. it's always fun.. especially since it's much easier to get hooked up with free drinks

anyway, i'm cool with homosexuality. gay marriage, having kids, etc.. they should be entitled to that.

but one "type" of gays that piss me off are those gays that pretend they are not gay, yet you know they are gay, and they go off bashing gays. i work with one of these types and i'm almost embarassed for this guy- he goes out of his way to disrespect himself so people can think he is "masculine". bah

the gay parade in Chicago is pretty cool. it's almost like a mini mardi gras/party type atmosphere (but CLEAN).

much better then say the Mexican Day parade or whatever you call it. there you got gangbangers drunk looking for trouble after the parade is over

[Axel]

I have no problem with gay people, but because I live in south, nearly everyone else does.

Stupid bible thumpers... wish they'd let their religion keep to itself and quit trying to force the rest of the world into abiding by their standards.

[J@3]

I have some gay friends, and through them you meet all sorts of people (from the "wow I had no idea you were gay" type to the "oh look, it's a man... dressed as a woman" kind) they're all cool, I've never actually had a problem with any gay person and they're probably the least judgemental people you'll ever meet. I mean so many straight people make judgements and act all weird around gay people, but they sure as hell don't do that around us. Anyways, I do agree with Donatello about the maturity thing but most of the morons (apart from hammertime) avoided this topic so it's been ok.

[iKe7in]

I'm all for guns myself I just want to ban the bullets.

Dangeroulsy close to Chris Rock's bit.
Every bullet should just cost $5000.
"Man I would blow your fuckin head off, if I could afford it."

Seriousy though, its a simple choice to make, either your a homophobic bigot or your not.

Oh, so now it's a choice?

I'm all for gay rights, just like any other rational mature human being. I agree that there may be too much made about the issue, like with the parades and rallies. It really just makes homophobes evern more homophobic. Walking down a street in drag or in pink thongs is not going to change people's minds about homosexuality. Writing books/articles and fighting court decisions and installing more reasonable representatives in government would.

But just an interesting note, in Washington, DC (and I believe also in Texas), it is illegal for two men to have sex in the privacy of their own home, yet beastiality is legal.

And I don't understand the argument that allowing gay marriage and gay adoption (and gay driver's licenses ) will lead to the destruction of the family unit. It's not like gays are a majority, I would assume the gay population in North America is probably about 5% at most. We're never going to get to a point where the population starts to decrease because an increase in gay people will make fewer kids.

The other argument that allowing a 'taboo' like homosexuality will make it more acceptable for other taboos like incest, pedohilia, the aforementioned beastiality or something like necrophilia. That's bullshit. If you believe that you're grasping at straws. Things like that have unwilling victims.

edit: If anyone watched the Daily Show tonight, it was pretty much all about gay marriage, and Jon stepped back from making excessive jokes and made some excellent arguments.

[Silas]

Seriousy though, its a simple choice to make, either your a homophobic bigot or your not.

Oh, so now it's a choice? [/quote]

You misunderstood me, you choose to be for gay rights or against them, you choose to be a homophobic bigot or not.

[iKe7in]

No I understood, it was a joke, because so many homophobes always say that being gay is a choice.

[Stevesanity]

Very good topic

I was quite a homophobic person earlier on in my younger teens I would completely ignore anyone I knew was gay, I mean I never beat anyone up for being gay but I would make them feel like they didn't exist which I started feeling guilty for after sometime.

I still don't like gay people, whether they maybe born with it or whatever it is it still disgusts me to think a man and a man can have sex. Yes I'll be honest seeing two hot women licking each others pussy turns me on but thats because we are basically supposed to be attracted to women and two of them going at each other is just great TV.

I don't have any gay friends, I know people who are gay and course I've matured up and do interact with them and some of them are pretty decent people. I can't stand the gays that are too feminine and act like a complete bitch all the time and shout about gay rights, the gay people I know and talk with are probably the more quiet and romantic type. The ones you usually don't suspect of being till they come out in the open about it, I find them to be more approachable and people you can talk to like your talking with one of your best friends (you know talk about ball, video games, music etc...).

I'm more open to different lifestyles nowadays unlike before, if I continued my ignoring gay people I'd probably be someone that would be beating up on them these days but I'm happy I didn't turn out to be one of those dudes that physically pick on people (words are words, but a fist is a possible lethal blow) cause of lifestyle/culture/race etc and I would be no better than the low lives that beat up on someone of different race or beat their girlfriend/wife. In a world full of so many different people I guess you just have to give into the fact that gay people will not go away however much you beat them up or ignore them, start treating them as people and live your life without filling your heart with hate and your brain with ignorance.

But two things I still can't get are bisexuals and transvestites. For someone to screw both types of people sickens me, yes it happens in porno we all know that but I'm talking about the everyday people that do it. Plus changing your sex is just freakish to me.

[Donatello]

I was directed back towards the thread, and I'm seriously pleased with the results. Though, as Jae said- I truly think it's because the retards have steered clear. Hopefully my strong statements conerning my fears about this thread helped dissuade them from posting.

I'm going to refrain from commenting on this too much, but my opinions can be summed up rather easily:

Love is love, no matter what genitals are attached to the person. If you honestly love someone, it should be for who they are, not because of their private parts. If you can look at your wife/husband/girlfriend/whoever and say that you wouldn't love them just the same if they were the EXACT same person but had different genitals, I don't believe it's true love.

That being said, I'd never loved a man (like that) but certainly wouldn't say 'never'.

[Stevesanity]

I'm straying off topic here but I forgot about something, having sex with animals and people getting married to them. I heard someone got married to a Dolphin recently and somebody else got married to a Otter or Seal. Sure we all love animals but isn't it rather odd for people to allow people to marry dumb animals, just makes me wonder what on earth the people that marry animals have done with them prior to getting married and I really doubt it's a marriage of innocence. It's just simply wrong.

Anyone have any views on this or bisexuality/transvestites?

[iKe7in]

Well the point that Jon Stewart made tonight that really made me think, he said that the debate over gay rights is to determine whether homosexuality is part of the human condition or just a fetish.

If you can look at your wife/husband/girlfriend/whoever and say that you wouldn't love them just the same if they were the EXACT same person but had different genitals, I don't believe it's true love.

Not really, by your logic everyone is bisexual. Physical attraction determines your sexuality.

[Jugs]

I still don't like gay people, whether they maybe born with it or whatever it is it still disgusts me to think a man and a man can have sex. Yes I'll be honest seeing two hot women licking each others pussy turns me on but thats because we are basically supposed to be attracted to women and two of them going at each other is just great TV.

I'm in the same situation, but immature to interact with any.

I've seen a few gays at my school get really close friends with girls, it makes me jealous .

[Donatello]

If you can look at your wife/husband/girlfriend/whoever and say that you wouldn't love them just the same if they were the EXACT same person but had different genitals, I don't believe it's true love.

Not really, by your logic everyone is bisexual. Physical attraction determines your sexuality.

I didn't say anything about physical attraction.

[iKe7in]

Well part of loving a wife/girlfriend/whoever is physical attraction, and saying that you would love them the same if they were the opposite gender is untrue, because you would not be physically attracted to them.

[Unrestrict3D]

Only homosexuals respond to a gay thread like this one. D'oh, I guess I just joined the club.

All jokes set aside, I think that gay marriages should be legal. I personally don't have a problem with gays but if I ever have an encounter with one or I see gay couples flooding the earth I might just have to edit this post.

[Nick]

I've never had any friends that were gay, so i don't know if i'd know how to handle interacting with one now. Not because i disrespect them, or that i think they're not human or something... but because i've never been in that situation before.

Though i don't know much about gay culture, i have no problem with gay men. Admittedly i don't understand how or why a man would rather have sex with a man, and i don't feel very comfortable with those thoughts. But i won't judge a gay guy if i met one.

I think gay men are becoming more and more accepted as time progresses too. And i don't know if any of you other aussies watch big brother? but i know that david helped me to understand and accept gay men a bit more.

[Ty-Land]

I don't see any problem with gay marriage, except further clogging up the court systems with more divorce proceedings.

I've met quite a few gay people at uni, several I never knew were gay until several months later. They are, all in all, just people like us. While they may dream of a slightly different future, or go home to a man instead of a woman, can you really hold that against them? If they love a man, who are you to say that it can't be on equal grounds as a man and woman. While the concept of finding another man sexually attractive is incredibly foreign and uneasy, if your confident what your sexual preference is, then their should be no concern. They're just another unique member of society

[debiler]

Yeah, I have some gay friends. Guys and girls. And although I couldn't be straighter, it doesn't scare me in anyway to give them an occasional hug or just talk to them like I would to anybody else. Hell, I even had a brief relationship with a bisexual girl once...

And I surely don't have anything against gay marriage. It's all about love, right?

[Andrew]

I'm neither gay nor consider myself an activist for gay rights, but I don't have any opposition to gay marriage or homosexuality in general because at the end of the day, it doesn't effect me. My life is not made worse by the presence of homosexuals so whether in fact people are born gay or decide to be gay, it's not my concern. After all, it's not hurting me in any way.

I do have a couple of friends who are gay (one male, one female) who I've known since before they came out and they're great people and more importantly the same people I've always known. They don't make their sexuality an issue, they are openly gay but don't shove their sexuality in other people's faces. When we talk, the issue doesn't come up. We just talk about TV, movies, books, sports, games etc...the usual mundane things. They don't try to recruit us to support gay rights or march in parades or anything like that. They are both good, kind people so their sexuality doesn't matter to me.

[Matthew]

Lol, wheres shane hefty to defend pink shirts and ties?

About gays, i couldnt care less about them. Howver, if you want to think about them being discriminated against, is it fair to say people who are pedophiles, people who partake in beastiality etc also discriminated against? They are all unatural yet homosexuality is more accepted than religon these days. I think thats somewhat wrong.

Additionaly, I have no respect for the ones who are straightaphobic. Especially when 90% of gays attempt to replicate the opposite sex, and then they say they hate that gender? Thats a contradiction and a half.

[Andrew]

Howver, if you want to think about them being discriminated against, is it fair to say people who are pedophiles, people who partake in beastiality etc also discriminated against?

The difference with homosexuality is you're generally talking about two consenting adults of the same species. They're not hurting anyone, which is something you can't say for pedophilia. In the broader sense of the term (which does not have negative connotations) you could say pedophiles are discriminated against but it's not without just cause; such individuals pose a threat to children. You could also say beastiality is cruel to animals, which again is a case of the person's lifestyle being harmful to others.

That's not to say it's wrong to be offended by or dislike homosexuality, tolerance and the concept of "live and let live" is quite different to liking something and tolerance is a two way street. We all have the right to our own feelings and opinions and as I said before, I'm no activist for gay rights. But I don't think it can be said that homosexuality is a danger to society the same way pedophiles or other sex offenders pose a threat to their fellow human beings.

So in that regard, I'd say discriminating against gay people is intruding into people's personal lives and business whereas discriminating (if you want to call it that) against pedophiles and other sex offenders is protecting the welfare of others.

[debiler]

And here we go with religion...

@Matthew:
Anyway: It's wrong to compare homosexuals to pedophiles or goat-fuckers. Are you serious? It's not the way of nature, I'll give you that. But it's consensual. Something that can't quite be said about the other two, right?

[Donatello]

Well part of loving a wife/girlfriend/whoever is physical attraction, and saying that you would love them the same if they were the opposite gender is untrue, because you would not be physically attracted to them.

Closed-minded opinion, though understandable- that's what 99% of people would think. Physical attraction does not equal love. Sure, it can make it easier to fall in love with someone, because if there's someone you don't necessarily find attractive right off the bat, you might not give yourself the chance to actually get to know them.

Consider this scenario:

1) You fall madly in love with a beautiful woman.

2) She has a horrible accident... I dunno, she falls face-first into a vat of boiling oil or something, and her face is horribly and permanently disfigured, and her body is covered in burns. She loses an eye, her breasts, and all of her hair.

Does that mean you don't love her anymore? Of course not. Physical attraction does not equal love.

Lol, wheres shane hefty to defend pink shirts and ties?

About gays, i couldnt care less about them. Howver, if you want to think about them being discriminated against, is it fair to say people who are pedophiles, people who partake in beastiality etc also discriminated against? They are all unatural yet homosexuality is more accepted than religon these days. I think thats somewhat wrong.

Additionaly, I have no respect for the ones who are straightaphobic. Especially when 90% of gays attempt to replicate the opposite sex, and then they say they hate that gender? Thats a contradiction and a half.

Eh it's already been covered by Andrew that a homosexual relationship is a relationship between consenting adults, and the only thing wrong with it is from a Christian standpoint (that I don't have). Pedophilia (no matter if the child thinks they want it or not, they're in no position to make that decision) and Bestiality (yes, it's spelled without 'a' on 'beast', don't ask me why) are not proper consenting relationships. This comparison is null.

I'm not really sure what you mean by 'straightophobic', I've never experienced that. I've also never met a homosexual who says they hate the gender that they're emulating. Perhaps I've just missed them, even though I've spent alot of time with gay friends and participating (somewhat, and no, not like that) in their subculture.

[iKe7in]

Well part of loving a wife/girlfriend/whoever is physical attraction, and saying that you would love them the same if they were the opposite gender is untrue, because you would not be physically attracted to them.

Consider this scenario:

1) You fall madly in love with a beautiful woman.

2) She has a horrible accident... I dunno, she falls face-first into a vat of boiling oil or something, and her face is horribly and permanently disfigured, and her body is covered in burns. She loses an eye, her breasts, and all of her hair.

Does that mean you don't love her anymore? Of course not. Physical attraction does not equal love.

1) She would still be a woman, your argument before was about if your lover was a different gender, not an accident causing their appearance to change. If your scenario was that a beutiful woman I feel in love with later went off and had a sex change operation, then no I would not love him/her the same, and would not be someone I would want to marry.

2) I never said that physical attraction equals love, just that it is one part of it.

[Donatello]

1) She would still be a woman, your argument before was about if your lover was a different gender, not an accident causing their appearance to change. If your scenario was that a beutiful woman I feel in love with later went off and had a sex change operation, then no I would not love him/her the same, and would not be someone I would want to marry.

2) I never said that physical attraction equals love, just that it is one part of it.

1) And YOUR argument was that physical attraction is a big part of love, that's all I was responding to.

2) You can love how someone looks, just like you can love how a good pizza looks. Physical appearance is NOT a part of loving who someone is. This is a HUGE problem with society, in my opinion. Would you rather spend your life with someone who looks like girls who are on the cover of current magazines, or someone you honestly connect with on a deep personal level? After all, blind people can love, can't they?

I think I may be getting in too deep here, perhaps I should back off and let the original conversation continue.