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Alcoholism is a disease... but yes, most hobo's are scum. We have a whole bunch of them around here that walk around the streets all day asking for money, or standing in the middle of the road going up to cars asking for money. Then at night they go back to their cosy shelter where they get new clothes, food, money and a place to sleep. Pricks.

You can get through alcoholism with a little will power. If you don't have the will power to get through it then I don't care. It was a choice. It's not a disease like cancer. You could have easily prevented it and it's a hell of a lot easier to get rid of than cancer.

When you're poor as hell like as a hobo, it's easier for them to be a little more happier in poverty with alcoholism than live depressed by eating canned beans and water. I'm not saying I agree with that, but alcohol is like an escape venue for the miseries of life they have to face.

I wear one of these rubberbands everyday on my arm.

The cheap alternative

Alcoholism is a disease... but yes, most hobo's are scum. We have a whole bunch of them around here that walk around the streets all day asking for money, or standing in the middle of the road going up to cars asking for money. Then at night they go back to their cosy shelter where they get new clothes, food, money and a place to sleep. Pricks.

You can get through alcoholism with a little will power. If you don't have the will power to get through it then I don't care. It was a choice. It's not a disease like cancer. You could have easily prevented it and it's a hell of a lot easier to get rid of than cancer.

Alcoholism is a DISEASE... it doesn't matter whether it's "a disease like cancer", it's a disease. A little will power? Please.

You could have all the will power in the World and you will not conquer it. I have been to at least 20 alcoholics anonymous meetings (not for myself) I have heard people speak on it. I met a man who had been going to AA for 26 years, he had been sober for 26 years up until 3 weeks prior to me meeting him... he had the "will power" to stay sober for 26 years but in one moment lost it all. Don't give me that will power shit.

However, even individuals who are determined to stay sober may suffer one or several “slips,” or relapses, before achieving long-term sobriety. Relapses are very common and do not mean that a person has failed or cannot recover from alcoholism. Keep in mind, too, that every day that a recovering alcoholic has stayed sober prior to a relapse is extremely valuable time, both to the individual and to his or her family. If a relapse occurs, it is very important to try to stop drinking once again and to get whatever additional support you need to abstain from drinking.

Did you also know alcoholism is heriditary?

Who are you to say "you can get through alcoholism with a little will power"... are you an alcoholic? Have you ever been an alcoholic? How would you know? Before you say "I know an alcoholic' or anything like that, you are not them. You don't know what they went through internally to get through it. So once again, how do you know that's the way to beat alcoholism?

You know a year ago I probably would've agreed with you, but having been to AA meetings and listened to people speak on the matter I've now got an entirely different view on it. Things aren't always the way they appear, no matter how bad things may be.

I also found this:

My mom and dad got a divorce mostly because of my dad's drinking problems.

I can understand you being bitter about the whole thing, but it might really help you to get more educated in the subject. Sorry if my post came off more aggressive then it was intended, but it's a touchy subject.

Alcoholism is VERY hereditary. One of my friends's grandfather, father, and uncle are/were all alcoholics. His grandfather died because of it, his uncle nearly died, and his father has been going to AA for something like 13 years. Because of this he's never touched a drink in his life. But he still gets addicted. The man can't get enough of those damn McChickens.

Alcoholism should not be judged as a problem of willpower, misconduct, or any other unscientific diagnosis. The problem must be accepted for what it is—a biopsychosocial disease with a strong genetic influence, obvious signs and symptoms, a natural progression and a fatal outcome if not treated. In the past 10 years, the medical profession’s and the public’s acceptance of smoking as an addictive disease has resulted in reducing nicotine use in the United States.

Found that online, useful stuff.

But he still gets addicted. The man can't get enough of those damn McChickens.

Is this him?

i dont support Livestrong (even though it sounds like a pretty good thing) because i cant stand Lance Armstrong and almost every kids got such a band. i do have a white 'make poverty history' rubberband though.

why is jackal a wigger?

Ummm as far as I know I really dont think so, I was referring to your tremendously valuable post you made in the thread and course bringing in some reference from another thread you just posted hahah in. Jackal doesnt take a liking into people with that sort of posting style/quality....so I was just giving you a warning hippie.

Im not quite sure how alcoholism was brought into this but errrmm yeah could be categorized as a disease on certain instances. Im not sure about it being heridetary though cause there's plenty of sons and daughters of drunkard parents that dont even touch the stuff, not even wine. Its something you can stay away from if you really try...sorta like staying healthy even if you have HIV and fighting off death for that much longer. Most people return to it cause of some sort of depression, modern life is stressful and lots of people try and find an escape by drinking till they drop. Alcohol and Cigarettes are known to be good sources of stress relief but they come with many side effects and problems, thats why soldiers are issued an issue...not to kill them with cancer but to relieve them of some stress.

As for Hobo's....well it really depends on what kind of a person they are you cant blame some people like ex-soldiers cause returning from war can change a person completely and they find it hard to fit into the system, its permanent mental damage and you gotta understand why they need help and thye end up buying bottles and issues with the dollars they get from the streets(kill the memories). Most of the time some of them have some sort of a mental handicap and that again should be taken into consideration...I know the stats might show that most of them are educated and in decent health(physically and mentally) but not all of them can be found fault with. I despise the types that look for money and use it to purchase alcohol, drugs, cheap prostitutes when there an average person but if they have a realistic reason(war trauma, mental or physical handicap etc) to be where they are then I guess I cant blame them for living the way they do.

It's factually hereditary.

Genes greatly influence the chance of alcoholism occurring. Through extensive studies and research, it has been shown that a predisposition to alcoholism can be inherited.

Researchers have discovered that a protein found in the brain is genetically linked to alcoholism

Im not sure about it being heridetary though cause there's plenty of sons and daughters of drunkard parents that dont even touch the stuff, not even wine.

That's a silly comment. How can they become alcoholics if they never try it? What the herditary issue is, is that if they try alcohol they're much more likely than someone else to become alcoholics. Alcoholism is not something you always have. It's not like there's seven-year-olds running around looking for their first cold one since they're alcoholics.

I absolutely hate this motherfucking bands


they are sooo fucking annoying

everyone has them and wears them and i hate them

if they weren't supporting cancer and such, i would burn them all

It's not like there's seven-year-olds running around looking for their first cold one since they're alcoholics.

On the subject, I got drunk for the first time aged 2 long story short, someone left a beer where I could reach it.

I absolutely hate this motherfucking bands


they are sooo fucking annoying

everyone has them and wears them and i hate them

if they weren't supporting cancer and such, i would burn them all

Word.

Weren't they primary used for basketbally? I mean, they still are, I think.

Im not sure about it being heridetary though cause there's plenty of sons and daughters of drunkard parents that dont even touch the stuff, not even wine.

That's a silly comment. How can they become alcoholics if they never try it? What the herditary issue is, is that if they try alcohol they're much more likely than someone else to become alcoholics. Alcoholism is not something you always have. It's not like there's seven-year-olds running around looking for their first cold one since they're alcoholics.

Well resiting alcohol is plenty hard these days for a teenager specially when their dad or moms gulped up 5 bottles of poison and has a whole fucking cabinet full of it plus the need to be "in the crowd". And adding to what you've said I also know people that have drunkards for folks and they do drink but they know there limits compared to some rich ass fuck who lives in la la land and who'd drink just to be cool and end up with a DUI and a night in a cell. I guess I should have added that part in the previous post, my bad.

if they weren't supporting cancer and such, i would burn them all

I don't they are supporting cancer..

Anyway, I wear one (1) Livestrong band, because of the meaning behind it. About half of my family died of cancer already, my aunt is currently fighting it.
I hate the knockoffs and the hype-kids, but I have worn my Livestrong band ever since I bought it and now you see most people are already losing the bands (or they just snapped).
I'm not sure if I had bought one if I knew it was going to be such a hype. You don't have to wear a band to show you are supporting people who fight cancer, but I just thought it was a nice idea.

Whats wrong with giving a hobo respect? So what if they live on the stret, I mean people on the street are more "ghetto" than you cuz they gotta fight to get a bit of food and suffer in the winters sleeping on the streets n shit while you got a home. And why would you get f***ed respectinga hobo? I bet you if you was a hobo, you'd want repsect from everybody. I bet you if you were asking for money on the street, you wouldnt want pople walking right past you and saying "go f*** yourself you hobo" or "Yeah right im giving anything".

What's the matter with you? Are you a hobo that you felt so affected by the post to go off on your little rampage?

More ghetto than me? Where did you get the impression I was "ghetto" in the first place? Shit, people actually thought I was white till not long ago. How did I become "ghetto" in your eyes?

Now onto your ridiculous post. They've got to fight for a bit of food? Not really, how about getting a fucking job? They weren't born a hobo, were they? Who's fault is it they fucked themselves up? Is it mine? No. Why should I have sympathy for their own lack of control on their life? In most cases, it's their own fault they turned out to be a hobo. Not mine, not yours, theirs. They could've gotten a job but most of those folks used to be "people of respect" that fell from grace due to various reasons (in most cases drugs or alcohol) and felt it was beneath them to get a job washing cars or something of the sort. Repeat, they feel it is beneath them.

Had they gotten the job, would they have to "fight" for food? Would they have to live in a box? Regarding the "cold winters", that's probably where you live. The hobo's over here are allowed to go to a shelter. There are more than enough shelters around.

I came quite close enough to being a frigging hobo thanks to my dad. So don't give me shit about it. I was taken in by my sisters & brother in laws, my dad however lived the hobo life for close to a year. He went from sheltar to sheltar, he smelled like one, he was robbed by some & now, when he's let his pride go a bit, he's back on the right path. Should I have felt sorry for him? At times I did, at times I thought it was good for him. He fucked up everyones life in his process to becoming rich, now that life turned its back on him, it was about time he learned his lesson. Now that he has, I can sort of, start respecting him all over again. Although even that process is going very slowly given I have little to no contact with him.

So don't come bullshitting me about hobo's.

That's more than I should've said so anyways, those bands suck. It's just a fad and soon enough it'll go away and people will look back and go "omg I can't believe I was a part of that". It's like the Macarena. Which on its own, was an awesome dance.

I have one of those that Riot posted.

Here in Chile we got rubberbands of soccer teams And "Un techo para todos" which is a cause that builds houses for people that need it.

And so hipn's date with Jackal begins.

Isn't there a pink one for breast cancer orso?

Livestrong is so fucking popular, that I don't wear it. I wear the white makepovertyhistory band. Even though poverty will never be abolished, I'd like to support that cause

http://www.makepovertyhistory.ca/e/home.php

Steve Nash is one of the celebrity spokesman.

I wear something like that also. It's white with ONE on it. The American equivalent of your's. See my signature for link.

there's everything. I got UMASS ones. Canes ones for HS. livestrong.. tammy lee foundation. lol.

Jae,

Alcoholism can be herditary, however my main comment was bashing drunk hobo's. I absoutely no remorse for a drunk hobo. None. They are the scum on the bottom of my shoe. That's why I don't give them money because I know they will go buy booze with it.

As for it being a "diease", I still disagree. The effects that are caused by alcoholism (cancer and brain problems), but the actual drinking I don't think so. Is smoking a disease? Most people don't consider smoking a disease but they consider drinking one.

I just don't care about alcoholics. I think they are all trash and they brought it on themselves. I especially hate alcoholics that blame everyone but themselves for their problems. But hey, that's the difference between me and you.

Have fun at your AA meetings, Jae.

oh the rubberbands.....well they were the hit this and last summer....

i have a black LJ 23....ain`t a fan of these, but since i got this for free.....

I just don't care about alcoholics. I think they are all trash and they brought it on themselves. I especially hate alcoholics that blame everyone but themselves for their problems.

Do you think it is a constructive thought to think that alcoholics are all trash?
Think again.

It is an immensely difficult illness to surpass, and when you say you only need a "little will power" to overcome it, you are speaking from ignorance. I've had the opportunity to be around a LOT of alcoholics and their rehabilitation process is so daunting for the majority of them, you cannot imagine the support they need.

I think you may be a little biased on this subject.

Biased because of what? Because my dad drinks? How is that biased? Because I see a bunch of hobo's on the street with no jacket, food or water but with a bottle of booze begging for money?