The politics thread

[FendeR`]

Because we are the World Police, whether you like it or not

Team America comes to mind again. FUCK YEAH!

I want to see that movie just for that song.

[Riot]

AP
Iran Leader Calls for Israel's Destruction

TEHRAN, Iran - President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared Wednesday that
Israel is a "disgraceful blot" that should be "wiped off the map" — fiery words that Washington said underscores its concern over
Iran's nuclear program.


Ahmadinejad's speech to thousands of students at a "World without Zionism" conference set a hard-line foreign policy course sharply at odds with that of his moderate predecessor, echoing the sentiments of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the founder of Iran's Islamic revolution.

The United States said Ahmadinejad's remarks show that Washington's fears about Iran's nuclear program are accurate.

"I think it reconfirms what we have been saying about the regime in Iran," White House press secretary Scott McClellan told reporters in Washington. "It underscores the concerns we have about Iran's nuclear intentions."

Ahmadinejad also condemned Iran's neighbors which seek to break new ground in their relations with Israel. "Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury," state-run television quoted him as saying.

Relations between Israel and several Persian Gulf states have been thawing amid Israel's withdrawal from the
Gaza Strip in September. Bahrain announced in September it was ending a decades-old law banning trade ties with Israel. In October, Qatar said it was donating $6 million to help build a soccer stadium for a mixed Arab-Jewish team, the first such financial assistance by an Arab state for any town inside Israel.

Israel has been at the forefront of nations calling for an end to Iran's nuclear program, which the United States and many others in the West say is aimed at acquiring weapons of mass destruction. Iran insists the program is for generating electricity.

Referring to Palestinian suicide bomb attacks in Israel, Ahmadinejad said: "there is no doubt that the new wave in Palestine will soon wipe off this disgraceful blot from the face of the Islamic world."

Ahmadinejad's speech came hours before a Palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up in the Israeli town of Hadera, killing five people. Iran aids several militant Palestinian groups, including Hamas and Islamic Jihad, with support and training through proxies among Lebanese Hezbollah guerrillas.

"Ahmadinejad has clearly declared the doctrine of his government," said Mohammad Sadeq Hosseini, an expert on Middle Eastern affairs. "He is returning Iran to the revolutionary goals it was pursuing in the 1980s."

Reacting to the Iranian president's speech, Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said Ahmadinejad and Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar "speak openly about destroying the Jewish state ... and it appears the problem with these extremists is that they followed through on their violent declarations with violent actions."

Ebrahim Yazdi, a former Iranian foreign minister, said Ahmadinejad's remarks harmed Iran.

"Such comments provoke the international community against us. It's not to Iran's interests at all. It's harmful to Iran to make such a statement," he said.

In Madrid, Spanish Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos summoned Iran's ambassador to protest Ahmadinejad's comments. Moratinos said he rejected the remarks in the strongest possible terms.

French Foreign Minister Jean-Baptiste Mattei also condemned the remarks "with the utmost firmness."

Ahmadinejad became president in August after winning elections two months earlier. He replaced
Mohammad Khatami, a reformist who advocated international dialogue and tried to improve relations with the West.

Iran announced earlier this year that it had fully developed solid fuel technology for missiles, a major breakthrough that increases their accuracy. The Shahab-3, with a range of 810 miles to more than 1,200 miles, is capable of delivering a nuclear warhead to Israel and U.S. forces in the Middle East.

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WOW This is why I FULLY support military action against Iran, immediately. They simply cannot be trusted with nuclear capabilites. The fact that they are saying publicly that they want to wipe Isreal off the map is evidence enough. It's a shame that Bush stopped our bunker-busting nuclear war-head program.

If America isn't going to do anything then Isreal has every right to attack Iran. The only problem is the U.N. wouldn't support it and Isreal would be outnumbered. America has to take control of this situation and end it before it becomes a serious globabl issue. Not only is Isreal and innocent people at stake, but so are American troops in the Middle East. It's time to finally make a stand with Iran, who has been threatening America and Isreal for years, and send in military force.

[j.23]

so glad i live in canada..

[Riot]

I'd rather live in an interventionalism country than an isolationalism country.

[Jackal_]

I'd rather live in an interventionalism country than an isolationalism country.

Man.. we dont always have the liberty to pick where we live.. your views on Iran for example.. how you say Israel should attack Iran.. you dont know the history behind all of it.. how Israel backed the french (khomeini) to overthrow the persian regime.. (the king) .. then sat back and watched Iraq invade Iran..

You see how you're so patriotic about the states? Well I'm patriotic about Iran.. but... but... but.. I disagree 100% with the government it has now.. it has turned Iran.. one of the worlds richest countries into a country full of drug addicts.. almost 30% of the population consists of people addicted to heroin and meth.. you dont have the opportunity there to get a student loan.. to pay for university.. health care.. all because of the government.. and coinciding religion with politics.

That being said I dont agree with the government but I also dont agree with "The World Police" interfering with another country.. its ridiculous man.. americans have taken it too far.. you're living in a country full of corruption and scandals..

"Politics is the gun, and finance is the trigger.." So true..

[Riot]

So you think America should sit back while Iran basically nukes Isreal?

You know what America wants to do? Take out the Iranian nuclear program and government. It wouldn't be an invasion like Iraq, it would be a simple removal of key leaders to rebuild the country. But the Iranians would rebuild their country because it wouldn't have such an extensive change in government.

The World Police is something that America has adopted. They are the most powerful nation in the world, it's our duty to make sure the world doesn't kill themselves. It's our nature to try to spread democracy because we believe in human rights.

I know you are probably one of the most anti-Americans in the history of forever. I know you'll probably reply to this post with some other insult towards myself or America. I beg you, if you don't have anything intelligent to say without an insult please don't post it. Your little "America's world police sucks balls!"-type posts get annoying after awhile. You can certainly join the discussion, but please contribute constructively.

Anyways, if people don't like America being the World Police how about they stop begging for help whenever a fucking problem happens. When America does something, they get bashed for not minding their own buisness. When America sits back and does nothing they get bashed for not caring and only doing things that benefit them. It's a fucking joke. I know it's "hip" to bash America, but how can you seriously bash America over this Iran thing? America hasn't done SHIT with Iran yet (sort of) and we're the bad guys? Iran just said they want to wipe Isreal off the map and if America tries to stop it they are the bad guys? We should mind our own buisness? I'm sorry America doesn't want a fucking nuclear war going on in the Middle East. Holy fuck, the ignorance of some people amazes me.

[cyanide]

Believe it or not, I think somebody should do something about Iran wanting to nuke Israel, where in the case a worldwide-led coalition could do something about it rather than just depend on America to do something about it. There's armies from other countries other than America that can contribute to stopping shit like this from happening. I'll state it now, this is different from what's happening in Iraq and Afghanistan where threats weren't made from the country themselves, but with Iran and North Korea, such issues had to be dealt with.

Personally, I thought they should've contributed more with the shit going on in Africa than Afghanistan/Iraq, but that's just me.

Well, actually, America seems to pick and choose. They get criticized for not doing something about Africa, but they get criticized for doing something about Iraq. There's always an extra incentive to do things... And for the record, I haven't heard anyone disagree with stopping Iran, so save the bitching for later

Go Team America!

[Jackal_]

Good Luck is all I gotta say lol..

Guess people dont learn until they make mistakes ..

[Riot]

The U.N. won't do anything about Iran probably. I know they won't support an Isreal invasion of Iran.

The bottom line is America and Iran have kind of been taking shots at Iran for awhile. Iran told America there would be severe consquences if we referred them to the U.N. Then they said they weren't going to stop their nuclear program and they were going to make more. And now they say they want to wipe Isreal off the map. That's a high cause of concern and I'm so glad that America is the "World Police" instead of sitting on their ass and watching the Middle East destroy itself, and possibley more.

[cyanide]

Why is it America again? I just mentioned a world-wide coalition, at least you could bring that in, you patRiot!

[Jackal]

Do any other countries take the initiative though? Seriously, do they?

[cyanide]

Doesn't matter, if America takes initiative, great, let's bring the rest of the world in instead of me, myself, and I. Riot could've talked about bringing in international support rather than imply that America and just America, the World Police, should be doing everything themselves. That was my point.

[Jackal]

That's true, he could've but people are also saying the US is the only one in Iraq. That's not true. There is a coalition.

[Riot]

America does let other countries help, that's why the pleaded their case to the U.N. to invade Iraq, they wanted help. The difference is America has the capability and stubbornnses to do it with or without help.

If America doesn't do anything Isreal will. It's a nuclear stand-off and you have two very unstable countries who hate each other capable of creating some very damaging effects world-wide. I don't care who the hell does it, but someone has to step in and say enough is enough. Iran has been told by the U.N. and America to disarm and they refuse. They even went far enough to tell America they will make more nuclear power plants instead of stopping. They also told America there would be "severe consquences" if we refer them to the U.N. Iran is unstable.

Iran hates Isreal, Iran hates America. Iran will have nuclear be capable of firing a nuclear warhead at US Troops and Isreal soon. Is that a chance we want to take? Does it matter who takes out their nuclear program? I don't care if it's Isreal, America, U.N. or the whole damn world. But the thing is America has the balls and the resources to go in there and get the job done.

A matter of fact, America already has troops and other military personal in Iran working covert operations. They are already scouting out key nuclear program sites that they want to destroy and planning possible assination attempts.

I hope America gets the support of the world on Iran. This is a some pretty scary stuff.

[GloveGuy]

In other news, the right-hand men to the President and Vice-President will most likely be indicted for leaking the name of a CIA operative, an action that threaten's national security.

How has this not been talked about? A guy releases a book saying he was sent to Africa to check if Saddam Hussein was purchasing uranium(let's be clear, before the U.S. went to war), comes back and says that there is no WMD threat, the U.S. then goes to war using a WMD threat as a case for support. Now the book's out, everyone knows.

What happens? Karl Rove and "Scooter" Libby release the identity of the author's wife. She was an undercover CIA operative.

If you find this neither unethical nor illegal, your response isn't valid.

[Riot]

It's a horrible thing and put many lives at stake. I hope they get punished fairly.

And as for the WMD thing, just because Saddam wasn't purchasing uranium doesn't mean he didn't have WMD's. Contray to what many thing, the U.N. has said they have images of Iraq shipping out what appears to be WMD's to Iran or Syria (I forgot what one) prior to the invasion.

[Mentally Hilarious]

Taiwan vs. China vs. America

The chince centralist "democracy" is a joke. The children that don't get registered is a horrible breach of MR. And yet the anti-communist culture of America should go fuck itself. National soverignty is bigger and more worth than anything Rumsfeld, Bush or anyone says or does. Simple as that.

Taiwan is a freaky little country that still insists that they are the real China and that China is only run by impostors and illigimate people. Freaky! Not anyones buisness how they sort it out, and considering that Taiwan isn't really a nation in the fullest sense you could argue that internal and external soverignty is only constructed for them.

Iran vs. Every Other Nation In The World

I would really not mind if a coalition broke the theocratical rule in Iran, keyword would be coalition.

WMD's

Popular Word Of The Decade. Proove it before you play this card, would you?

Israel

Not a real nation, nor a legitimate one. Also found it completly OK to build a big fucking wall that seperated people from work and families from families. No excuse. Fuck 'em.

[Jackal_]

A matter of fact, America already has troops and other military personal in Iran working covert operations. They are already scouting out key nuclear program sites that they want to destroy and planning possible assination attempts.

lol is it really fair to make assumptions?

[Matthew]

Is it really fair to spam?

Cynaide, I agree, the rest of the world SHOULD be taking initiative, but we have to be realistic: the chances of them doing anything instead of making pointless debates is so small it challenges coolmacs biceps.

[Riot]

Iran vs. Every Other Nation In The World

I would really not mind if a coalition broke the theocratical rule in Iran, keyword would be coalition.

Would America, Great Britian and Israel be a big enough coalition for you?:lol:

WMD's

Popular Word Of The Decade. Proove it before you play this card, would you?

Why do we have to prove it? Saddam admitted to having it and then he refused to let inspectors in for 4 years. Then he says all of a sudden he complied with U.N. orders and destroyed them. We have no proof or evidence that he really did destroy him because he still won't let the inspectors see certain things and cameras. It is basically he says vs. he says. Do you trust the U.N. and America or do you trust Saddam?

Plus, we've found a lot of missiles and tear gas that he is banned from having. So I guess you could call those illegal warheads. Whether or not they are WMDs doesn't really matter, it's a moot point. The fact of the matter is Saddam had weapons he shouldn't have had and he should have shown us that he destroyed all the weapons he claimed he had 6 years ago or so. He didn't. And it looked like he was trying to hide something from the inspectors.

[Riot]

Israel is now asking the United Nations to expel Iran from the U.N. This is the first time in U.N. history that a country has publicly come out and said they want another country removed from the U.N.

The tension rises. One step closer to war.

[Mentally Hilarious]

WMD's

Popular Word Of The Decade. Proove it before you play this card, would you?

Why do we have to prove it? Saddam admitted to having it and then he refused to let inspectors in for 4 years. Then he says all of a sudden he complied with U.N. orders and destroyed them. We have no proof or evidence that he really did destroy him because he still won't let the inspectors see certain things and cameras. It is basically he says vs. he says. Do you trust the U.N. and America or do you trust Saddam?

Plus, we've found a lot of missiles and tear gas that he is banned from having. So I guess you could call those illegal warheads. Whether or not they are WMDs doesn't really matter, it's a moot point. The fact of the matter is Saddam had weapons he shouldn't have had and he should have shown us that he destroyed all the weapons he claimed he had 6 years ago or so. He didn't. And it looked like he was trying to hide something from the inspectors.

I would say that it's up to the US to proove that there are WMD's rather than for Saddam (in that case) that there aren't.

[Riot]

Why though? Saddam admitted to having WMD's (gave us a huge ass list too) and then kicked the inspectors out for 4 years. Saddam is the guy that cannot be trusted. Saddam shouldn't have had those weapons in the first place and he has to show us that he destroyed them. It's harder to prove that someone has it than someone proving he doesn't. He wouldn't let the U.N. see certain video cameras or go into certain places. All of that is a little suspicious, don't you think?

If you are violating world law than you must prove yourself innocent. That's how it works. If you don't, military action is the only other way.

But like I said, America waited too long to invade Iraq. This should have been done in 1998.

[Riot]

In an exclusive interview Saturday with FOX News, Iraqi President Jalal Talabani (search) said the American military commanders with whom he has spoken agree to give Iraqi forces a larger role in defending their country, but do not follow up with action.

"We ask them for things to change, they agree, and then nothing happens," Talabani said. He spoke to FOX News at his Baghdad residence over Iftar, the traditional evening meal marking the end of the day’s fast during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan

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Puppet? I think not. The funny thing is the American soldiers are often being led into ambushes by the Iraqi police. The Iraqi's are so damn stupid they don't even know how to investigate a crime. I'm starting to think every Iraqi has the "stupid gene".

[cyanide]

Regarding the WMDs thing, Bush and Rumsfield had said and even shown where the WMDs are (in actual clips from the Daily Show), yet, the outcome for a long time was that there were no WMDs to be found. Also, for missles and tear gas, that's outlawed? Whatever happened to self defense? I think it'd be foolish for any country, whether dangerous or not, to not even arm itself for security and defense. I don't think any civilization in history has never existed (other than early Egypt, which later militarized) that went through a non-military existance.