The truth about 9/11

[Wormy10]

Ok I finally got it to work, only watched part of the 1st part, ill finish it later and watch the 2nd part too
Very interesting Makes you wonder doesnt it?

[iG®]

Makes you wonder even without it.

[Riot]

Oh yeah, I forgot. The American government is behind every diaster and tragedy in the world.

What am I thinking? Bush and Cheaney hijacked those airplanes, put them on auto-pilot and then parachuted out and got picked up Air Force One! And then they went to the White House and secretly launched a missile at the Pentagon! Yeah! Great plan!

[Chris.]

makes sense

[FendeR`]

makes sense

Thank you very much for your insightful comment.

[Riot]

Riot's anti-conspiracy theory post



Now, to me that looks a lot like debris from American Airlines Flight 77, not some kind of missile or car.

I will now post some quotes from eye witnessess who saw the jetliner overhead.

"On a Metro train to National Airport, Allen Cleveland looked out the window to see a jet heading down toward the Pentagon.'I thought, "There's no landing strip on that side of the subway tracks,"' he said. Before he could process that thought, he saw 'a huge mushroom cloud. The lady next to me was in absolute hysterics.'"
- "Our Plane Is Being Hijacked." Washington Post, 12 Sep 2001

"I was supposed to have been going to the Pentagon Tuesday morning at about 11:00am (EDT) and was getting ready, and thank goodness I wasn't going to be going until later. It was so shocking, I was listening to the news on what had happened in New York, and just happened to look out the window because I heard a low flying plane and then I saw it hit the Pentagon. It happened so fast... it was in the air one moment and in the building the next..."
- "U.S. Under Attack: Your Eyewitness Accounts." BBC News, 14 Sep 2001

"Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over.'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

Do you need more? Just ask, because I can easily post more.

The question and photos are misleading: Parts of the plane penetrated the ground floors of the second and third rings of the building. These photos show only their intact roofs. Eyewitnesses and news reporters have talked about the twelve-foot hole punched through the inside wall of the second ring by one of the plane’s engines.

More importantly, the question focuses on the plane’s size and weight, making it sound extraordinarily heavy, but leaves out the size and weight of the Pentagon – America’s largest office building with three times the floor space of the Empire State Building - as well as the difference in relative stiffness and energy absorption between a building and an airplane. Each side of the Pentagon contains over 100,000 tons of Potomac sand mixed into the steel-reinforced concrete under its limestome facade. There are nearly 10,000 concrete piles anchoring each side of the building. And in the wake of bombings in Oklahoma City and Saudi Arabia, that portion of the Pentagon had just been reinforced with a computationally modeled lattice of steel tubes designed to prevent it from collapsing after an explosion.

-Source

Like I said, the plane crashed into the Pentagon. The Pentagon is a very protected building that is re-enforced and then re-enforced again. A plane isn't just going to take out half the building. It was designed so that wouldn't happen.

A 112-page document drawn up by Ramzi Binalshibh, of Al Qaeda, and released by Qatar-based TV station Al Jazeera, admits that the organisation was involved in the terrorist attacks in the USA on September 11th and warns of a wave of new terrorist activities.
-Source

I suggest you guys check out website. It has a pretty good detail on the whole pentagon situation and how it happened. And if you really want to get even more information, I suggest you check out this website (with all the links at the bottom of the page) and read that stuff up.

I hope you guys enjoyed my post, I put a lot of effort into it.

[cyanide]

Now, to me that looks a lot like debris from American Airlines Flight 77, not some kind of missile or car.

It could've been set there for the camera, as a piece of metal scrap that resembles debris from America Airlines Flight 77 or Oldenberg's metal sculptures.

Do you need more? Just ask, because I can easily post more.

No need. They could've been made up by the writers with a gun to their heads by the CIA. I mean, "Allen Cleveland?" Who the hell has a name like that?

Like I said, the plane crashed into the Pentagon. The Pentagon is a very protected building that is re-enforced and then re-enforced again. A plane isn't just going to take out half the building. It was designed so that wouldn't happen.

So does 22 tonnes of dynamite.

I hope you guys enjoyed my post, I put a lot of effort into it.

Likewise

Btw, I just watched I ♥ Huckabees so don't take anything I said here seriously.

[Riot]

I knew people were going to say things like "they planted that debris" or those witnesses are "fake and made-up". I know you weren't being serious Cyanide, but there are people like that (Lpasso).

They had thousands of engineers and scientists working on this. Some of them from other countries besides America. To cover up an attack the size of 9/11 it would take a nearly impossible effort. I hope you guys realize that.

Plus, most of the stuff in the conspiracy theories aren't even facts. Like some things in those two videos aren't real or the full truth. I really suggest you guys read that last link I gave you. It talks not only about the pentagon but it also has links about the WTC.

[cyanide]

It's just interesting how this is done, though, you can fabricate any kind of truth and alter what really happened. It's neat how Michael Moore and that guy could present evidence and present questions that make you think that there might be something beyond the surface, which might be true, or just an attempt to create something new from the truth to form a different kind of truth. I can't trust anything I see or read

I think I'm going to go get some water.

[thaKEAF]

DONT DRINK THE WATER!!1

[Riot]

Suddenly, this thread has turned into a mockery.

[The Other Kevin]

Suddenly, this thread has turned into a mockery.

It wasn't when it started.

[Riot]

It was a good, innocent post when it started, yes. But I quickly steered it in the right direction.

[Jugs]

It's an interesting video........... i'm shocked.... i don't believe in anything any more

[Riot]

It's an interesting video........... i'm shocked.... i don't believe in anything any more

Did you read anything in this thread?

[Jugs]

Yes, yes I did. I read it carefully, everyone's post.

[Riot]

So because you watched a little conspiracy theory you "don't believe in anything anymore"?

[Jugs]

Fine, I over exaggerated... my level of intelligence isn't high enough to give a reasonable thought to this "little conspiracy theory" or anything included in "political debates"

[Riot]

I just think people should see both sides of the story before they throw their hands up in disbelief. Watch Inside 9/11 or read the 9/11 commission report. Then you'll see the facts and the outline of what happened and you can draw your own conclusions. There are "facts" in that video that aren't even correct.

[Jing]

well.. very interesting to say the least

[Ripper]

I just think people should see both sides of the story before they throw their hands up in disbelief. Watch Inside 9/11 or read the 9/11 commission report. Then you'll see the facts and the outline of what happened and you can draw your own conclusions. There are "facts" in that video that aren't even correct.

So you have read the 911 commission report? Who's to say that the commission report is spot on? It misses out important questions and you can find these all over the internet. Just an example:

Some see a conspiracy behind the 9-11 Commission's conspiracy finding, noting that that body was never really independent. It was instead controlled by staff director Phillip Zelikow, a Republican intelligence professional, who had previously worked and co-authored a book with Condoleeza Rice. It was also peopled by Commissioners and staffers with clear conflicts because of their links to policymakers, the defense industry and oil interests. That included Chairman Kean who was, bizarrely enough, tied into a Saudi Arabian oil enterprise run by two Bin Laden relatives. He sold his shares two weeks before he began chairing the Commission.

The thing is, it's incredibly easy to brush of believers of 'conspiracy theories' as people who are not thinking quite right. People like Riot, who think the US does a great job and believes what the gov+media has brought to him and people that firmly believe in outlandish conspiracy theories both have tunnel vision.
An unbiased, well-educated person is tought to be critical and doesn't take presented information as being the 'Truth' so easily. Throwing around arguments at one another between these believers from both sides doesn't get anybody anywhere. I've read many posts on the subjects and have seen a variety of movies on the subject. I've read many points of view, the last program I saw, was a dutch discussion program interviewing former ministers both taking the US gov's motives into question, with strong arguments to back it up.

Basicly, there are so many issues that raise questions, it's overwhelming. You can point to the commission report all you want, it hardly covers all these issues, and in truth, it would be naive to think the report is totally accurate either. From very basic things, like why won't the governement show any footage of the plane hitting the pentagon, but also the deeper stuff most people arent even aware of, like why did the owner of the WTC towers take out a huge insurance, just weeks before it occurred and make billions out of the collapse of the towers?

My own opinion is that the US gov isnt putting forth the truth. Being european, I look around and see the US having military all over the world, interfering with issues as only they see fit, regardless of any other nation. What right do they have to do that? US politicians and military have killed off more innocent people than all terrorists put together. Who's to say we should fear the terrorists more then the US gov itself.

[Riot]

1. The US Commission Report is factual. It's been proven factual by numerous intelligence agencies, including other nations. You can read through it and you can't really find anything that is a lie or a stretch. It's practically everything leading up to the attacks, during the attacks and what will/should be done after the attacks.

2. Obviously I'm not saying toss it to the side. I've seen that video and obviously it makes you think: that's what it's suppose to do. However, sometimes I think the conspiracy theories go a little too far. I know everyone hates President Bush (although he does have a very high approval rating in IRAQ) but saying he organized the 9/11 attacks? That's obsurd. And saying that a missile hit the pentagon instead of an airplane is also quite obsurd. I mean, what happened to the plane that was hijacked? Did it vanish? What about the airplane parts in the lawn and in the pentagon? What about the security footage of the hijackers getting on the planes? What about the flight attendants and passengers who called loved ones telling them about their plane being hijacked? That would be way too much stuff for the government to keep covered up. There were literally thousands and thousands of people working on the 9/11 clean-up and intelligence. That would be a lot of people to keep in line and make sure they don't tell a soul. That would also mean that thousands of experts are wrong, because they are 100% sure that it was an airplane that hit it. Not only because they studied it, but because a lot of witnesses saw the plane itself.

I'm just saying, a lot of the things in that video are non-factual. When they say the airplane hit the first floor, it didn't. It hit inbetween the first and 2nd floor and took out part of the 3rd floor as well. And why would they put sand on the grass? Because they are putting very heavy machinery on it! Every construction person knows you have to put sand and gravel on grass before you put heavy machines on it.

I'm not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong. I'm just saying these Bush conspiracy theories get wilder and wilder by the minute. For the Bush administration to cover something this big up would be virtually impossible. Besides, Al-Queda already admitted to doing it and we have many AL-Queda members captured who have given us information about the planning and training of 9/11 "jihadists". I suggest you guys check out Inside 9/11 or read the 9/11 commission report if you are interested in the events leading up to 9/11 and during it.

[Wormy10]

Dont fuck with Riot when it comes to political shit, your not gonna win
Even if you do hes going to say something else that sounds like he just whooped your ass lol so give up

[Riot]

Dont fuck with Riot when it comes to political shit, your not gonna win
Even if you do hes going to say something else that sounds like he just whooped your ass lol so give up

There is no winning or losing when it comes to political debates. It's all opinion and perspective. There are always two sides to the story.

[Cloudy]

I don't believe this. I actually stand on the PatRiot's side.