islam and muslims

missiles were gonna expire soon..
that was why they had to use them asap.

Its wrong for the United States to drag people out of their homes and murder them, its wrong for the US to fly planes over towns and destroy them.

Where are you getting all this from?

Its called reading.

All the prejudices against Arabs these days is horrible. Even though it's the 'Tamilian tigers' in Sri Lanka that has preformed 2/3's of all the suicide bombings in the world; yet we don't associate Sri Lankians with that, but Arabs (that has awfully less amount of bombings)...
A bit of irony in it is that Islam is a lot more peaceful than Christianity, not too many people know that... People see an Arab with a long beard and first thing that comes to mind is that he may very well be a Muslim extremists with a goal to blow up everyone. Quite sad but that's how the world works now, people today is a product of their own fear more or less.


Indy; I don't know about dragging people out of their homes and killing them, but there has been some grave injustices in Iraq by the troops stationed there. Most of the times they probably felt that it was needed for their own security, but the times that it wasn't, those are the ones that stand out. All the reports about bombings on innocent houses, fireings into crowds of people and so on...

America is not a terrorist organzation. No matter how many people or how many times you try to twist the facts to make it look like they are. When America attacks it's usually justified. Innocent people die, I know and it's horrible. Intelligence isn't always 100% right, I know and it's horrible. But Clinton, Bush Sr and Bush Jr aren't here to blow up the world and wreck havoc. They did what they honestly felt was the best thing to do given the situation and what they knew.

The middle east is simply a mess. America had to step in and take some kind of semi-control. The U.N. is bankrupt, they can't do anything so America practically has to fund everything for the U.N.

America tries to do the best thing possible for the WORLD. You can disagree all you want but it's the truth. People die. You won't have a world where mistakes don't happen especially when it comes to bombs and firearms.

I'm sick of all the "innocent people" America has "murdered" in the Middle East. America's goal there isn't to kill innocent people. That's the bottom line.

http://www.serendipity.li/cia/cia_terr.html

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/us_terr_st.htm

I know those articles obviously have a bias, but I still encourage you to read them Riot.

If you would like to send me some right-wing biased articles, I would be glad to read and discuss them.

America is not a terrorist organzation. No matter how many people or how many times you try to twist the facts to make it look like they are. When America attacks it's usually justified. Innocent people die, I know and it's horrible. Intelligence isn't always 100% right, I know and it's horrible. But Clinton, Bush Sr and Bush Jr aren't here to blow up the world and wreck havoc. They did what they honestly felt was the best thing to do given the situation and what they knew.

The middle east is simply a mess. America had to step in and take some kind of semi-control. The U.N. is bankrupt, they can't do anything so America practically has to fund everything for the U.N.

America tries to do the best thing possible for the WORLD. You can disagree all you want but it's the truth. People die. You won't have a world where mistakes don't happen especially when it comes to bombs and firearms.

I'm sick of all the "innocent people" America has "murdered" in the Middle East. America's goal there isn't to kill innocent people. That's the bottom line.

that is the biggest crap i have ever heard...why don't they back off...even if it was a mess... ITS NONE OF AMERICAS BIUSNESS...and btw it wasn't a mess, it was perfect and i know since i lived their for 9 years

I'm sick of all the "innocent people" America has "murdered" in the Middle East. America's goal there isn't to kill innocent people. That's the bottom line.

But they are killing innocent people. I'm not calling the United States Army a terrorist organization, but recognize that there is a common deed being done by them and the muslim extremists. Wake up and realize that some people find these actions un-justified, and try and show them compassion or atleast tolerate them.

There's just so many question marks to this war. The goal at one time was to liberate the Iraqi people. Done. Now why are we still there? If it's truely the war on terror, why did we start by taking out Saddam Hussein instead of putting our full attention on our biggest threat(s).

One thing I do know is that we don't have to prevent high-jackings by eliminating the threat, because with good national security, the threat will come to us and we'll be ready to take them out before they commit.

I'm not so ignorant to think that the only possible terrorist acts will come through plane high-jacking, but my intention was to point out that preventing these acts is possible through different and safer methods.

Either way, this war we're fighting is incredibly sloppy. Not surprised, coming out of our president.

OMG, Glove is the fucking voice of reason in this thread.
It's cool to have someone with opinions similar to your own.

but they do have a fucked up religion, so i dont care. I'm gonna continue to stereotype their asses, im done with that whole tolerance BS.

Read Jae and Gloveguy's posts and then read it again till you're a little less ignorant. Then you can read my post.

Islam is generally an offshoot of Judaism and Christianity, and their religions share a lot of parallels with different beliefs on who is God, etc, believe it or not. But the due fact with all the terrorism going on widely stems from the Islamic religion doesn't mean it's the religion itself that is the problem. It's fundamentalism/extremism that is the problem. Any religion you have, you can have extremism. Take the Christian Crusades for example, that was a sweeping terrorist machine.

The problem with Islam, is that in it's nature, it's an expansionist religion, unlike Christianism or Judaism.

We are going to have to learn that, and live with it.

islam is the youngest of those 3 too...

anyway i heard a co-worker called a kid with a full mustache and beard( he is from Bangladesh) terrorist since she didn't know his name.
that was wrong in my opinion but damn, since i work near where the world trade center was what can i say..

sucks this is how it all ends up being, some middle easterns are really nice.

That region of the world in my opinion is really messed up and has been for many years. All fighting over religion and crap. and it won't end apparently. Just something that will be there forever till Jesus comesback

mohammad hassan is not helping the muslims at all. he should be banned in the entertainment industry

mohammad hassan is not helping the muslims at all. he should be banned in the entertainment industry

He's a fucking joke.. him and his little donkey pounding sidekick Daivari..

alot of census bureau people are predicting that islam will be the #1 religion in america after the next decade.

but they do have a fucked up religion, so i dont care.

And you do have a fucked up brain, so i dont care.

You obviously know nothing about islam, so STFU.

i can't believe have of you are actually supporting my religion...thanks

Allah bless you Sac-1 and may you're misguided brothers be bring back to reality that usin religion as an excuse in killing others is not right

And I do trust Matt to defend his own opinions like you and I can

Now if only you were any good at it

Getting back on topic...

When America attacks it's usually justified.

@ "usually"

Man we talked about all this shit in the previous Terrorist threads.. can't we just make a simple thread about someone stupid on the NLSC and flame him?

I had a muslim make back in the day, lost contact with him somewhere along the line, and he taught me about the principles of a good Muslim....he always said that a lot of the young kids coming through were bad Muslims and would drink, join gangs and all that....as everyone has already said, in one way or another, Muslims are not bad people, it is just extremists who twist the words to back up their own twisted ways....

I actually characterise most religion with hate....when I think Catholics, I think Ireland and the Prodescents (sp?) and Catholics fighting....when I think Muslim, it's hard to not to link it to terrorism....it doesn't mean majority of people are bad as most of them are good people....

I just stick clear of religion, for the fact that each religion thinks that there's is right and they are not....I'm happy with being spiritual, believing in a higher being, enjoying philosophy, Nostradamus, rational thought and open-mindedness....

Now if only you were any good at it

And if you would be any good at being less focused on what I say, that would be a good first step.

Back on topic (again), it's good to keep an open mind about people's differences, both racial and religious. Every religion has it's moral and ethical merits, and ofcourse teh inevitable shortcomings. As I have said before, wars are not the direct product of religious or racial differences any more, only financial reasons can cold-start a full scale war.

And if you would be any good at being less focused on what I say, that would be a good first step.

thanks for that, COOLmac.

thanks for that, COOLmac.

No prob, Jaesus. Now take this up to the mod thread and keep this one alive and breathing, no?

No.

Now take this up to the mod thread and keep this one alive and breathing, no?

No.

Vindication comes in teh strangest of ways. Anyways, I'm done off-topicking in this thread. If anyone else wants to pursue this, be my guest. I will answer only in the mod thread.